User talk:Furius

Ancient graffiti

Hi Furius. Ancient graffiti have nothing to do with the modern graffiti, they are made with colour spray. Ancient graffiti are inscriptions made with a hard pensil, a nail or a bone. All graffiti in Pompeii are written in this manner on walls in the stucco. The Category:Orphic Gold Tablets are written in the same manner, not on a wall but on a very thin gold folia. Please revert your wrong correction ! Thank you. Best regards --DenghiùComm (talk) 15:04, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

User:DenghiùComm: in epigraphic studies (at least in English) "graffiti" is indeed used for inscriptions made with hard pencil, nail or bone, but only on walls, stones and other permanent supports, and usually it's restricted to "added inscriptions". The term is not used for gold tablets, curse tablets, or the engravings on the Walbrook tablets. Furius (talk) 17:03, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

Sorry. This inscriptions on gold tablets how they are made ? Like you say " ... with hard pencil, nail or bone, on ... other permanent supports". Sure not with a laser. --DenghiùComm (talk) 17:07, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

Permanent supports, like a wall or a piece of pottery, not a flexible gold sheet. Can you cite a source where they are referred to as graffiti? Furius (talk) 20:43, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

Orphic gold tablets are very very rare objects. DenghiùComm (talk) 21:00, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

That's not really relevant. There are a lot of books and articles on them. If "graffiti" is a normal term for them, then one should find it used in those books and articles. Furius (talk) 21:20, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

The question is: HOW THEY WROTE THESE GOLDEN TABLETS ? Please answer me. Everything else is just useless discussion and speculations. DenghiùComm (talk) 21:26, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

The question is actually "Is the term 'graffiti' used to describe these tablets?" and you have provided no evidence that it is. Furius (talk) 21:29, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

Then say you what kind of inscriptions are these on the Orphic golden tablets ! DenghiùComm (talk) 21:53, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

For example, Bodel, Ancient History from Inscriptions (2012) pp. 20-23 uses "engraved" to describe the writing [1]; so far all other sources that I find in a Google books search for: Gold+tablets+Orphic simply call them "inscriptions" Furius (talk) 22:13, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

"Inscriptions" is not useful at all. Our discussion here are iscriptions too.

But ok. Margherita Guarducci ("Le laminette auree orfiche" in: Epigrafia Greca vol IV, pagg. 208-270) speaks of "parole incise" too. DenghiùComm (talk) 19:46, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

I'm glad that we were able to work this out. Thanks for your patience :) . Furius (talk) 21:33, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

A Greek-Phoenician inscription from Athens

Hi Furius, I am looking for standard Greek publication and pictures of an Athenian Greek-Phoenician inscription, Asept inscription. It is published as KAI 59 and CIS I 119 (and in tables here). It's said here that it's "IG 10271" (there some other publications there, if it might help tell me and I'll write them here). The only picture of it I found in commons is File:Corpus Inscriptionum Semiticarum CIS I 115 (from Athens).jpg imported from CIS. Perhaps you can help me find more images of it in commons, or the exact number of this inscription in IG (unfortunately I don't have access to IG)? Thanks in advance, פעמי-עליון (talk) 11:48, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

It is IG II2 10271, but I'm afraid that I'm not aware of any images on commons (or on any of the other image repositories). I took photos of all the inscriptions on public display at Piraeus Museum, but this inscription isn't in my archives, so I'm guessing that it is not on public display. Furius (talk) 12:39, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

I understand, I looked deeper into it and found out that the current location is actually, unfortunately, unknown. Anyway, Thank you.

I have some other information I need from IG to expend the Athenian Greek-Phoenician inscriptions and כתובות פיניקיות-יווניות אתונאיות articles. Do you have full access to it? Will you be able to sand me five or six pages in mail? פעמי-עליון (talk) 15:05, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I think I can do that. I hadn't seen Wikipedia:Athenian Greek-Phoenician inscriptions before, but it's a good article! For the Artemidorus/Abd-tanit stele, you might also want to consult: R. K. Pitt, "Attic Inscriptions in UK Collections: British Museum, Funerary Monuments," AIUK 4.6 (2022), pp. 37-39 ([2]) and/or the AIO entry summarising it: [3]. Furius (talk) 18:48, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

Sorry it took me so long to answer, I didn't pay attention to my notifications for a while... When I am back to expand the Hebrew (and maybe the English) Athenian Greek-Phoenician inscriptions article I will see exactly which inscriptions I need and ask you, thanks for that! And thanks for the paper, it willbe helpful for me as well :) פעמי-עליון (talk) 11:05, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

File:IG I3 1317.jpg

Hello Furius, since you uploaded the file, I was wondering if it is Argyropolis (Thrace) where the description refers to. Am I correct? Thank you for your time. Lotje (talk) 05:34, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

@Lotje, are you perhaps talking about a different image? IG I3 1317 is from Athens. Furius (talk) 09:00, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Furius in confirming this is related to Argyroupoli. :-) Lotje (talk) 09:02, 17 February 2023 (UTC)