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Lehnert & Landrock[edit]

You are aware, that this works created between 1903 and 1914 are first published in Munich and Leipzig, and that under the Berne Convention Germany is the country of origin? Lehnert died 1948, Landrock 1966, assuming this photos are collaborative works by those two photographers, they are protected by copyright untill 2037. You not provided any evidence of publication in the US before 2003 without compliance with copyright formalities. Presumably this works are not published in the U.S., so they are also unfree in the U.S. and entirely fail Commons:Licensing (not PD in the source contry as required, not PD in the U.S.). --Martin H. (talk) 13:57, 25 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Martin. I cannot even remotely claim to be an expert of copyright laws, but I believe that the works of L&L are in public domain. From what I've read in this page that is linked by the PD-US template, works first published outside the US by foreigners before 1923 are in public domain without conditions. Going by an article I read about them, Rudolf Lehnert (Austrian) was the photographer of the duo, while Landrock was the 'business mind' and managed the firm. Their works have been published a number of times, chiefly in French and German, but also in English. Hopefully this will be enough to keep them on commons. Cheers, Ultimate Destiny (talk) 18:12, 25 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Another detail: from the descriptions I found on Drouot ([1], [2], [3]) the original photographs carry the "Made in Tunis" caption on the backside.--Ultimate Destiny (talk) 06:03, 26 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Made in Tunis is not important, the country of origin of a work is defined by the first publication of the work by the Berne Convention. Neither in France nor in England nor in Germany this files are public domain and - as long as evidence of publication in the US is not provided - also not in the US. On Commons files must be public domain in the country of origin and in the US.
This maybe is different for the works from Egypt taken post WWI because then they also published in Egypt, but for the Tunis time the sources say they published in Europe. --Martin H. (talk) 11:50, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Can you link me this source? All the photos I've seen so far carry a "Lehnert & Landrock Tunis" signature. This is especially evident in high resolution pictures such as this. In fact, a number of photos are explicitly listed as being published in their studio (and shop) in Tunis, ([4]) which makes the most sense since they based their commercial operations there. From the page I've linked above about the US copyright, it's not clear that the works must have been published in the US to be in PD, either.--Ultimate Destiny (talk) 06:44, 31 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I have checked the backside of several L&L postcards on Delcampe (I can't link them because of the spam filter), and all have the same line: "éditeurs Lehnert & Landrock phot. Tunis", where "éditeur" means publisher. There were also a few published in Cairo, but not among the ones I have uploaded. However, I found nothing suggesting they have been first published in metropolitan France or Germany.--Ultimate Destiny (talk) 06:59, 31 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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FunkMonk (talk) 17:27, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Jeune barbarine[edit]

Hi, I've been trying to source a high-resolution version of this image, and I was wondering if you would be able to help me?

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Reiser_-_Jeune_barbarine.jpg

--Aknyra (talk) 00:15, 19 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry mate, I always upload the highest resolution I can find.--Ultimate Destiny (talk) 14:54, 1 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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French postcards from French Indochina[edit]

I noticed you uploaded alot of French postcards from North Africa. Are you willing to upload ones from French Indochina as well? There were thousands of postcards made in French ruled Vietnam but not alot of them are on wikimedia at the moment.Gass gess (talk) 04:34, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Yours sincerely, Yann (talk) 09:17, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Pay attention to copyright
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