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Please link images[edit]

Couvertures de livre[edit]

Discussion transférée, à la demande de Heurtelions sur le Bistrot

Interventions sur votre page et sur le bistrot[edit]

Je me suis permis de faire les interventions suivantes:

  • réalignement des images à droite, les images à gauche empêchent de lire les indentations et de savoir qui à écrit qui et comment.
  • suppression du doublon sur le bistrot, pas la peine de copier le texte deux fois, une seule fois suffit. Ensuite, si vous souhaitez mettre la discsussion sur le bistrot, autant utiliser un diff de votre page de discussion et continuer sur le Bistrot.

Vous remerciant pour votre compréhension Esby (talk) 15:23, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Merci pour ces améliorations de présentation.
Comme c'est un sujet qui doit intéresser beaucoup de monde, et qui est important pour commons et pour ses utilisateurs, je voulais faire le contraire et transférer les réponses sur le bistrot où DocteurCosmos a déjà ouvert le sujet à propos de photos de livres et/ou de couvertures de livres.
Un débat ici n'a aucun intérêt.
Le but serait de préciser les conditions d'importation de couvertures de livres dont les critères sont actuellement trop restrictifs parce qu'ils sont trop flous: que veut dire simple, récent (combien d'années), reproduire, etc..
Est-ce que vous pourriez plutôt faire le transfert dans l'autre sens. -- Heurtelions (talk) 15:45, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
C'est aussi possible, bien sur, dans l'autre sens. Faut juste pas avoir la discussion à deux endroits différents. Esby (talk) 17:08, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Merci. -- Heurtelions (talk) 18:21, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Copyright sur les tags, les grafes, les slogans politiques et les graffiti ?[edit]

  • Les gens comme Miss Tic qui barbouillent sur des murs qui ne leur appartient pas sans demander l'autorisation du propriétaire, expriment par là qu'ils refusent la notion commune de propriété privée, dont la propriété artistique n'est qu'un cas particulier. Ce n'était donc pas une interprétation que de dire qu'ils ont une conception libertaire de l'art, et de considérer qu'ils ne revendiquent pas la propriété d'oeuvres qui squattent la propriété d'autrui. Ce n'est pas ma conception de la propriété, c'est la sienne. D'autre part, il y a déjà sur common une catégorie pour les pochoirs de Miss Tic: les autres photos sont présentées comme ayant pour auteur ... le photographe..
  • Dommage d'avoir effacé les cartes postales anonymes datant de 1900 et qui illustraient des articles de wikipedia. Ce sont les seules photos qui restent de cette usine qui a été démolie il y a plus de 50 ans et il est impossible qu'il puisse y avoir des ayant-droits.
  • Une statue-masque africaine (achetée vers 1965 en Afrique noire, c'est une antiquité) n'a pas d'auteur au sens du droit occidental : c'est une production collective qui entre dans un processus mythico-religieux. Le sculpteur ne se pense pas du tout comme un artiste qui fait une oeuvre originale dans laquelle il s'exprime lui-même. C'estr un anachronisme.
  • J'ai plein de très belles photos de grafes (datant sans doute de 2000) pris dans une usine désaffectée qui doit être démolie. J'aimerais bien les mettre sur common pour illustrer des articles. Il est évidemment impossible de savoir qui sont les auteurs, d'autant plus qu'il y a parfaois des recouvrements et des enchevêtrements ntre plusieurs interventions. Dans quelle mesure des vues fragmentaires ou reconstruites sont-elles considérées comme des oeuvres du pphotographe ?
  • J'ai aussi acheté une affichette publicitaire Teppaz que je comptais mettre pour illustrer l'article sur les electrophones. Mais elle date de ca 1958, ne comporte ni nom d'auteur ni nom d'imprimeur. Que faire ?

Cordiialement -- Heurtelions (talk) 14:22, 14 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Puisque tu t'intéresses au graff, tu devrais savoir que depuis son procès perdu en 1999, Miss. Tic demande les autorisations aux propriétaires des murs [1], pour l'idéalisme, elle en est un peu revenue [2].
Si elle a la permission du propriétaire du mur, ça change tout : ses grafes ne sont plus abandonné dans le domaine public, et ils ont un statut normal d'oeuvre d'art: ce sont des fresques.
Pour le reste, si tu ne trouves pas l'auteur, il faut prouver qu'il est inconnu (c'est pas donné, autant ne pas charger les images). Pour les graffs illégaux, il y a Commons:Image casebook#Graffiti. --Coyau (talk) 18:21, 14 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Le problème que je ne vois pas comment résoudre, c'est que contrairement à la rue, une usine est un lieu privé. Les graffes ne sont donc, en principe, pas des oeuvres divulguées par leurs auteurs. Il faudrait donc publier des images transfigurées ou fragmentaires qui puissent se présenter comme des oeuvres originales dont le sujet n'est pas tel graffe, mais autre chose.
Je n'ai pas la prétention de faire des photos d'art, juste des clichés 640 x 400 pour faire de bonnes illustrations, parlantes, curieuses, insolites, pathétiques,... L'intention "pédagogique" du projet common me convient tout-à-fait (j'ai remarqué que 2 de mes photos étaient utilisées dans la presse avec source : Heurtelions, wikipedia. Ca fait tout drôle).
Mon gros problème sur common, c'est que je suis incapable de catégoriser les photos, ce qui fait que c'est de l'information inaccessible pour ceux qui cherchent des illustrations dans la base de donnée. Cordialement. -- Heurtelions (talk) 19:26, 14 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
PS. tu devrais lire attentivement Commons:Critères d'inclusion. --Coyau (talk) 18:23, 14 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Si tu as un doute sur l'admissibilité d'une photo, le plus sûr est de demander, soit avant import sur Commons:Bistro, soit après en faisant une deletion request (pas tant pour la faire supprimer, mais pour soumettre le cas à des gens qui auront des idées plus précises de ce qu'on accepte et de ce qu'on n'accepte pas sur Commons) en remplissant le modèle {{Delete}} dans la page de description de l'image et en suivant les instructions qui sont données.
Pour les catégories, il n'y a pas d'autres solutions que d'explorer l'arborescence. Les photos que tu as placées dans Category:Architecture devraient être dans des sous-catégories (Category:Walls in France, par exemple). Un bon point de départ serait de regarder ce qui existe (en termes de sous-catégories) dans Category:Architectural elements, et de placer tes photos au plus profond de l'arborescence (c'est à dire au plus précis). Je ne sais pas si tu as jeté un œil dans les pages d'aide (Commons:Premiers pas/Classement, Commons:Catégories).
Et pour information, "21st century BC", c'est avant J.-C. (BC = before Christ). --Coyau (talk) 14:38, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Couvertures de bouquins[edit]

Cela fait plusieurs fois que je tombe, sur WP, sur des couvertures de bouquins sous copyright, et je constate que tu en as chargé une tripotée, en particulier en novembre 2008. Je pense qu'il serait raisonnable que tu en demandes la suppression rapide, car c'est une violation claire des droits d'auteur. Une couverture de livre est une œuvre visuelle à laquelle sont attachés les mêmes droits qu'à une photographie, que ceux-ci appartiennent à l'éditeur ou à quelqu'un d'autre (graphiste, dessinateur) ou soit partagé entre plusieurs personnes. On y applique donc les mêmes restrictions que pour toute œuvre protégée. Le fait qu'un livre lui-même soit dans le domaine public ne signifie de plus pas que la couverture l'est (l'Iliade est dans le domaine public, la couverture d'une édition récente ne l'est pas). Vol de nuit (talk) 10:59, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Une couverture de livre (par exemple l'Iliade) est une œuvre intellectuelle et artistique protégée, comme l'étiquette d'une boite de petits pois ou le design d'un mitigeur de douche, et leur reproduction serait effectivement punissable comme une contrefaçon.
Mais la reproduction de l'oeuvre voudrait dire éditer l'Illiade en reprenant le modèle et le dessin de la couverture protégée, ou vendre des boites de petits pois avec la même étiquette, ou fabriquer des mitigeurs de douche avec le même design. La photographie d'une boite de petits pois, pas plus que celle d'un livre ou de n'importe quel objet manufacturé, n'est assimilable à une reproduction abusive de l'oeuvre protégée. Tous les objets dont la reproduction est interdite sont dans ce cas là : photographier une pièce de monnaie n'est pas interdit parce qu'il est interdit de faire des reproduction de la monnaie, ce n'est pas faire de la fausse monnaie.
Sinon, on ne pourrait plus faire aucune photo de choses existant dans le monde, et dont les designers ou concepteurs ne seraient pas morts depuis plus de 70 ans.
Il n'y a que les photos ou les images (peintures, dessins, sculptures,..) dont une photographie soit une véritablement reproduction. La photo cavalière d'une livret de partition d'une pièce musicale, n'est pas la même chose que de jouer l'oeuvre.
Dans le cas de mes photos de livres, il ne s'agit pas du scannage haute définition des plats de couverture, mais de photos en vue cavalière de livres d'occasion, dans un but de citation de l'oeuvre, comme je photographierai un scooter garé ou du papier-peint sur un mur (leur design est tout autant protégé au titre de la même loi). La question de la banalité de ces couverture n'entre même pas en ligne de compte: à mon avis une simple composition typographique dépouillée (comme la collection blanche Gallimard)peut être originale, ou typique d'un éditeur, et susceptible de contrefaçon.
J'ai l'impression que les officines qui s'occupent, à juste raison, de percevoir les droits d'auteurs ont tendance à étendre de façon illimitée et délirante l'interprétation de la loi sur la propriété intellectuelle. Personne n'a jamais payé de droits de reproduction pour la photo, même en sujet principal, d'un livre ou d'un stylo de marque posés sur une table, ni même pour la table si c'est une table IKEA dessinée par la célèbre Clara Beng.
Il faudrait apporter des précision au règlement de Common. Cordialement. -- Heurtelions (talk) 14:20, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Of course this is fair use. See Wikipedia:Fair_use#ImagesHarrypotter (talk) 17:34, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Je ne comprends pas le problème: cette couverture de livre n'a pas d'originalité qui justifie une protection: c'est un simple frontispice ; d'autre part, les textes de l'internationale situationniste sont dans le domaine public. -- Heurtelions

Par ailleurs, cette oeuvrs comporte la mention qu'elle peut être librement reproduite, comme toutes celles des membres de l'Internationale situationniste -- Heurtelions (talk) 01:16, 22 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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And also:

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And also:

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Ellin Beltz (talk) 04:28, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

File:Le Lycéen Patriote 1944.jpg has been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether it should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry.

If you created this file, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it, such as a copyright issue. Please see Commons:But it's my own work! for a guide on how to address these issues.

Please remember to respond to and – if appropriate – contradict the arguments supporting deletion. Arguments which focus on the nominator will not affect the result of the nomination. Thank you!

Ellin Beltz (talk) 04:29, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

File:Carte Front-National 1944 verso.jpg has been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether it should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry.

If you created this file, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it, such as a copyright issue. Please see Commons:But it's my own work! for a guide on how to address these issues.

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Ellin Beltz (talk) 04:30, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

File:Carte Front-National 1944 recto.jpg has been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether it should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry.

If you created this file, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it, such as a copyright issue. Please see Commons:But it's my own work! for a guide on how to address these issues.

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Ellin Beltz (talk) 04:30, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

File:Marine bateau fisher price.jpg has been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether it should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry.

If you created this file, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it, such as a copyright issue. Please see Commons:But it's my own work! for a guide on how to address these issues.

Please remember to respond to and – if appropriate – contradict the arguments supporting deletion. Arguments which focus on the nominator will not affect the result of the nomination. Thank you!

Ellin Beltz (talk) 04:30, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]