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Image:Ian_Thorpe_on_a_plane_cropped.jpg

Hello, and thank your for sharing your files with Commons. There seems to be a problem regarding the description and/or licensing of this particular file. Could you please resolve these problems, which are described on the page linked in above? Thank you. --Siebrand

Fixed source (database was locked) -- Editor at Large • talk 10:59, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Eurocoins

Could you tell me, please, what happened to the images of Euro coins? I don't know, why you have deleted some of them without saying any word to people, who made sites about eurocoins on Wikipedia language mutations as cs:Finské euromince or de:Finnische Euromünzen, where the images were. - UP3 16:49, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Is there any reason you are not replying to the question above? If these images violated some sort of Wikistandard, it might be prudent on your part to provide some sort of direction for uploading and using images of this type. The European Central Bank authorises the use of images of euro coins and in fact provides such images for public and private use. Download coin images

This is somewhat of an imperialistic action on your part to have deleted these images without any prior notification.

In order to avoid having future images deleted, please state your terms to allow the continued use of images of euro coins- including proper licensing information for these images.

—-Theeuro 08:52, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Cross-posted from Theeuro's talk page

I did respond to UP3's comment, on his talk page. I reply on the talk page of the user who asks me the question and expect them to respond on my talk page; I apologise if this caused any misunderstanding.

The issue with these images was not that the ECB does not allow them to be used, but in the license of the specific images they had on their site: their images are licensed under the statement that "Where the information is incorporated in documents that are sold (regardless of the medium), the natural or legal person publishing the information must inform buyers, both before they pay any subscription or fee and each time they access the information taken from the ECB's website, that the information may be obtained free of charge through the ECB's website". This is more than a simple attribution license and too restrictive, and is beyond what we allow on Commons in terms of licensing.

I would like to point out that the Eurocoins license template, located on every image that was up for deletion, had a {{Tfd}} tag displayed on it. I think that having 300+ notices that the Eurocoins were up for deletion was probably notification enough. We could have gone around and spammed the talk pages of all the 100+ users who uploaded them, but in a case like this notifying the uploader does nothing to prevent the image from being deleted; this is not a case of "we need a source or it will be deleted", it was a case of "these images used to be okay but the fact that license does not fit with our policies has been pointed out". In cases where a license is determined to be outside of policy or to be unfree when it was previously thought allowable - a case which unfortunately does happen due to misunderstanding or license creation and usage before it has been approved - it is policy to put the template itself up for deletion, which encompasses all images it is tagged with. The {{Tfd}} tag appears above the license and on every subsequent image up also up for deletion, which should be notification enough. If we made public announcements on the village pump every time images were up for deletion it would start to look like COM:DEL, which is where notifications of deletions are and belong.

There is no way to have future images from the ECB website deleted; they are not within policy and changing the license is not going to change the fact that they are from that site, which does not allow unrestricted free or commercial use. I noticed your comment on the (closed) IfD page: "The copyright extends only to the point where exchange of monies might take place for the images." This is true, and this also means that unrestricted non-commercial use is not allowed. We, when using these images on wikipedias or other wikimedia projects online, may not profit from them; but when it comes to making a DVD version of wikipedia for use in schools (which are sold and profited from), or when others use our images commercially (which does happen), that license is too restrictive. This means that images from the ECB site are not within our policy, despite the fact that they are free for public download and use in the general sense of the term. No matter how much someone advertises that they have "images you can freely download and use", if there is a "but you have to do this and you can't use them commercially unless you do this" disclaimer/restriction, and that disclaimer/restriction is not within Commons policy, the images cannot be used.

It is unfortunate, but images of Eurocoins are hardly available only from the ECB. I know of at least one Commoner who has mentioned that he has a near-complete set of euro coins and is willing to take photographs of them; in this way and possibly by finding them on other sites that allow images to be used within Commons policy, we can restore the images that were lost because of that license. -- Editor at Large • talk 12:01, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Can I ask? What about this site pictures? I would like to find some substitute of the deleted pictures, that has an acceptable licence. - UP3 16:02, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Regarding your question "Can I ask? What about this site pictures? I would like to find some substitute of the deleted pictures, that has an acceptable licence." ... I don't see any copyright information on that site other than "Design and construction © 2007 The Euro Information Website". If you could link me to a specific page referring to copyright that would be helpful. For now all I can say is that those images look like the ones found on the ECB site; if the ibiblio.org/theeuro site uses images from there they would still be under the same restrictions as the original images found directly on the ECB site. Unless the ibilio site created the images or had them released under a free license or got them from another site that has a free license, they are not useable either. If you can find more info let me know and I'll see what we can figure out :) -- Editor at Large • talk 01:14, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Funny you should ask about that website... it is mine. This is where the images of euro coins will be uploaded from in the future. The only thing I need to know is how to create a new license based on these images from my website. The only restriction I have is that mention of my website is made in association with the images. Does anyone know how to create a new license for that purpose? —-Theeuro 09:02, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Also, why is this image not deleted? The licensing appears to be the same as those images which were deleted. Is this the license which should be applied to future images of euro coins? —-Theeuro 09:53, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

The images from your site are fine to upload, as long as you took them yourself or got them from another free source which we can verify fits with our policies. As for the images on en.wp that use that license, I am not sure how they fit in with wikipedia licensing... I believe Yonatan may have brought up the issue on the English wikipedia, though I am not sure; he may have just marked the particular image UP3 pointed out. I'll ask him and see. -- Editor at Large • talk 19:42, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

In case you're not watching this discussion...

Do you not understand that the ECB allows use of the images of the euro coins. What about the ECB allowance is unclear? It is a bit difficult to understand, so I can sort these things out for you- I have an office at the ECB and know first hand that the images are in fact allowed to be used for this sort of thing. So before you go deleting more images that cause the rest of us extra work to get them back online, please discuss the situation with me first. I can probably help you to understand what the ECB does allow and what it does not allow- and for understanding copyright restrictions in general. Basically- nobody- even the ECB can claim or otherwise impose a copyright restriction over any of the euro coin images. The only way this would be remotly applicable is if someone put a euro coin on top of a patterned cloth, photographed it and called it a photographic work of art. But then, the ECB does not allow for that, because NOBODY CAN CALIM COPYRIGHT OR RESTRICTION OVER ANY OF THE EURO COIN IMAGES. The ECB does not allow the image to be modified in any way and requires the statement that the images are available for free from the ECB website. You can even use the image of a euro coin in an advertisement. You can use an image for the cover of a book that sells for 1.000 euro. You can even use the image for the subject of an artistic work. The source of the image is irrelevant because it is only the image of the coins themselves that are made available. What is done to them afterward- graphically altering and such- are what the ECB has a poblem with. --Theeuro 09:03, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I understand the ECB allows use of the images of euro coins. I also know that where the information is incorporated in documents that are sold (regardless of the medium), the natural or legal person publishing the information must inform buyers, both before they pay any subscription or fee and each time they access the information taken from the ECB's website, that the information may be obtained free of charge through the ECB's website. With this restriction in place these images are not allowable under Commons policy. It is not images of coins in general, it is those specific images, on that specific site. Saying that they are fine because "Basically- nobody- even the ECB can claim or otherwise impose a copyright restriction over any of the euro coin images" is like saying this image is not copyrighted because you there are no copyright restrictions on a pile of tea.

It is the photograph itself, NOT the subject, that is copyrighted. You can argue that in the photographs of coins there is artistic merit; in the angle of the shot, the lighting, and the composition. While minimal, it is there. A straight-on shot of a painting that is in the public domain is not copyrighted, because there is no artistic merit when it shows only the painting. However, for three-dimensional objects, there is arguable artistic merit put into the composition of the shot. The ECB has stated on their website that there are restrictions on the photographs. These restrictions are not within Commons policy. Thus the images from the ECB website are not allowable on Commons. If the ECB changes their license, or something changes, the deleted images can be restored; they do not need to be re-uploaded.

I would also like to point out that I did not vote on the deletion request, and was not the closing administrator. I was asked, because of the large number of images involved, to help with deletion. I did so and deleted about half of the images. If you would like to request undeletion, please visit COM:UNDEL to make your case for reinstating the template and images. I did not delete anything because I did not understand, and while my knowledge of general copyright restrictions may not encompass everything there is to know, I do understand Commons policy well and I know that the statement on the ECB website means we cannot use their images unless it is changed. I appreciate your offer to explain but I am afraid that will not change the statement on the site and how the statement fits with our policy. -- Editor at Large • talk 22:24, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Image:Chelsea Badge.gif

Hi, could you tell me the source of this image which you deleted? It was being used on the Chelsea article on Wikipedia. I suspect it can probably be used as fair use so I'm wishing to upload it to Wikipedia instead. Thanks. Adambro 14:35, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Translations

Hi, EaL.

Give me work! I've translated a few templates already tonight, but I'd like to have a list of the most-needed template translations so I can help more efficiently and directly. So please, whenever you have the time to do so please feel free to leave me a list of translation requests on my talkpage.

I may be absent from IRC for a while, for reasons you no doubt understand quite well... perhaps a day, perhaps more, so either my Commons or frwiki talkpages will do just fine.

Happy editing,

Arria Belli | parlami 00:47, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, EaL! That's a load off my back, because now I know where to head to on Commons if I need to "escape" frwiki a bit.

Tomorrow I'll poke around the templates you listed to see if they need translation into Italian as well; my first tiny baby steps into en>it translating were done tonight in a frenzy of translations of templates in Category:Images for cleanup. Some have already been corrected by itwiki users.

I'm going to totter off to bed now, I think, as it's quite late and the stress is knackering.

See you around :-)

Arria Belli | parlami 01:46, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Image:Martin van Meytens 003.jpg

hello there,

congratulations on Image:Erzherzogin Maria Elisabeth 001.jpg, excellent work. A couple of editors have tried editing my request for Image:Martin van Meytens 003.jpg, however I am still not content with the result, because it looks warped. Is there nothing that can be done to have the quality as in Image:Erzherzogin Maria Elisabeth 001.jpg? Thanks alot... Gryffindor 09:10, 3 May 2007 (UTC) ps: same thing goes for Image:Martin van Meytens 002.jpg, it looks weird...

I'm not reverting anything here are you kidding? The results are perfect as usual, I am deeply impressed. thanks again, if there were barnstars on the Commons you would definetly get one from me. Gryffindor 10:27, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Re: SVG Text problem

Hey, thanks for your help! What does it mean when the text is on a path? I'm really new to this (about two days now), and I'm trying to understand everything as best I can so I can improve in the future. Also, do you know of any good SVG resources for newbies? Thanks! tiZom_(2¢) 00:16, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

ooops

sorry about the revert. --Melanom 22:21, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Image:The_Ralph_Peters_solution_to_the_Middle_East.svg

Hello, and thank your for sharing your files with Commons. There seems to be a problem regarding the description and/or licensing of this particular file. Could you please resolve these problems, which are described on the page linked in above? Thank you. --Siebrand

Fixed -- Editor at Large • talk 23:35, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Only

To say that the sun rises again each day - hope this one is better for you

Another day

--Herby ^{talk thyme} 07:46, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Ooooo - tasty - thanks & catch you round I'm sure, take care --Herby ^{talk thyme} 17:06, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

PD-self

Sorry for the missing }}, I haden't seen these ;o) Michelet-密是力 20:33, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Bloot?

Care to give me a clue what the image was - I think I may be familiar with it so no need to be too graphic! If it is what I think then indef block is the action for that one and - for me - a CU request, I've had the same (probably) image on Books and elsewhere (I'll probably protect it from recreation too). Cheers --Herby ^{talk thyme} 06:32, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

From me (& the garden)!

--Herby ^{talk thyme} 16:51, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Deprecated language templates

Hi, I just wanted to thank you a lot for your fantastic help to dereference the deprecated templates. :)
Best regards from France,
-- AlNo (discuter/talk/hablar/falar) 09:02, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

:) You're welcome!

So see you soon on the Deprecated templates category :P

-- AlNo (discuter/talk/hablar/falar) 21:53, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Hey

Fellow deleter of GDFLs! Saw this today - can you see anything against this approach? Hope things are good, catch you round --Herby ^{talk thyme} 10:56, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi & thanks - I had a feeling it was not that simple - I'll go make them redlinks again, ho hum. The "delete" count is getting embarrassing! I love the fact that they even vandalise a redirect! Keep crusading (we could form a very small cabal!) and I'll catch you round (tho I will be fully off wiki for a holiday at the end of next week - yipee!) --Herby ^{talk thyme} 11:58, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi

According to the Flickr homepage all the pics which I have uploaded are under the licence "some right reserved" which is fine for Wikipedia as is stated [1] under the licence

Kind regards,

Romek