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Domestic dogs[edit]
No idea who puts images here, but it contains domestic dogs. Charlesjsharp (talk) 14:23, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
- I found File:Two_puppies_playing_together_one_standing_over_the_other_at_golden_hour_in_Don_Det_Laos.jpg and File:Contre-jour_photograph_of_a_standing_puppy_at_sunset_with_colorful_sky_in_Don_Det_Laos.jpg, which I moved to the gallery for domestic mammals. The images are moved by QICbot to Commons:Quality images/Recently promoted after being promoted to QI. A few people (most recently mainly User:Radomianin with some contributions from User:Kritzolina and me) try to find the correct gallery pages for all the photos, even though everybody is invited to sort them with the "QI categorization tool" (i.e. actually assign them to the appropriate galleries). Just look at the entries on your talk page when one of your photos is promoted to quality image status. Sorry for the misplaced photos, but this may happen. QICbot moves the "categorized" photos to their assigned gallery pages. --Robert Flogaus-Faust (talk) 00:47, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
- Dear Kritzolina, Robert and Charles, thank you for the discussion. For more than 3 years I have been taking the time almost every day to assign the photos as accurately as possible using the categorization tool. There are usually over 100 photos per day that need to be assigned to the galleries, which means a lot of maintenance. When in doubt, I open the images with a right click to determine what is shown. With animal photos, I pay special attention to finding the right species. This is sometimes quite difficult with underwater creatures, for example. But even with insects, if in doubt, I use the specialized biological term for internet research to avoid mistakes. The fact that the two dogs were misclassified is human error. I'm sure I would have classified them as domestic dogs. Nobody is free of mistakes, including me. But if I make some, I correct them after rechecking. Very often I have also corrected accidentally discovered assignment mistakes. As there are currently only three colleagues - Kritzolina, Robert and myself - who (happily) work through this maintenance mountain every morning, I would like to invite you, Charles and other colleagues to help. The more people do a small part, the quicker we'll be done :)
- In addition, sooner or later a group of technically skilled colleagues should work out a concept to move all files into actual categories so that the bot no longer serves galleries. These are no longer up to date with the amount of photos that are promoted every day. There is always a risk that the page will crash and the bot will no longer work. Exceeding the amount of data per page manifests itself in an error like this: Unstrip size limit exceeded. I remember that I mentioned the same problem with the recently promoted VI's. When I found the gallery page for sorting in May 2022, no assignment had been made for months, so the page with more than 4400 photos on one page was about to collapse. Thanks to Kritzolina's strong help, Archaeodontosaurus and I got the job done over several weeks. The link to the appeal at that time is available here. Addendum: This is just my 5 cents. Thanks to all the photographers for their valuable work, I like the sorting because you also discover the one or other potential candidate for FPC. Kind regards and best wishes :) -- Radomianin (talk) 01:48, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
- Dear Charlesjsharp, there is not much to add to what others have already written. Except a huge thanks to Radomianin and to Robert Flogaus-Faust, who are spending a lot of his precious time on this tedious task. And perhaps the one phrase, that might ring a bit empty here, as it is quoted so often: It's a wiki, if you find a mistake, feel free to correct it! But I mean this very honestly, I want you to feel encouraged to make these kind of improvements, because, as Radominanin mentioned already - human errors happen, more so when a task like this is tedious, repetitive and needs to be done regularily. And thank you. Charlesjsharp for contributing so many images to Commons - finding really good images in the pool that needs to be sorted is one of the small joys that keep me at it. Kritzolina (talk) 07:41, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
- Kritzolina, Radomianin, Robert Flogaus-Faust - thanks for the excellent work you all do. I wish I had the time to help. I devote my spare time to improving Wikipedia's animal articles. Most of them are a shambles with poor quality photos inserted all over the article that add no EV. I also have to create many new animal categories for the VI project, then move dozens of images. I have to say that QI is of much lesser interest as the quality threshold is so low and the voting (only one vote) is silly. I do wish that Wikimedia sorted out the uploading tools, bots etc. as the whole process is cumbersome, but no one listens. The Photographers User Group is ineffective and no one listens to them either. Charlesjsharp (talk) 12:33, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for your informative comment, Charles. The work you describe is a valuable contribution to the English-language Wikipedia. This deserves recognition - thank you very much!
- Regarding the technical issues with bots and procedures, I agree with you: much of this is outdated, but in my opinion these issues are being dragged out year after year. The problems should be listed and discussed in a structured way at the village pump to finally initiate improvements. All the best and regards, -- Radomianin (talk) 17:02, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
- Mmmmm. I think I tried the Village Pump before, but nothing was done. Perhaps a group of Admins active at FPC, QI and VI could get something going? The last time I talked about the problems was here Charlesjsharp (talk) 17:23, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for your reply. It is a pity that your message at the village pump was unsuccessful. Also the discussion you mentioned on CPUG did not continue. That leaves me a bit helpless. It only remains for me to point out the Foundation's Technical Wishes project and link on the CPUG talk page to this discussion. If only I had a clue about programming structures, I would design a solution myself to replace the galleries and sort the images into categories in the future. Perhaps someone reading this has another idea of where we can turn… -- Radomianin (talk) 09:25, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hm, I think this could be a challenge for a Hack-a-thon. Let me poke around a bit, and see if any fitting ones are coming up where we could slip it in. But this might take time ... well, everything does ... Also if others read this who have more insights into the Hack-a-thons, feel free to take this up! Kritzolina (talk) 10:36, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you very much for your initiative, it's just a fact that the galleries are no longer up to date with the amount of pictures promoted daily on QIC. Some of the VI galleries are also on the edge of collapse. Half a year ago I also initiated a discussion about the malfunctioning of the VIC bot: Please read it for reference. It also contains a proposal for a temporary solution to create gallery archive pages, as they already exist by necessity for QI. Thank you and best regards, -- Radomianin (talk) 11:00, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
- It is also possible to archive parts of the galleries if they are too big. I did that some time ago with some very big galleries. Actual categories don't need that, of course. --Robert Flogaus-Faust (talk) 22:42, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you very much for your initiative, it's just a fact that the galleries are no longer up to date with the amount of pictures promoted daily on QIC. Some of the VI galleries are also on the edge of collapse. Half a year ago I also initiated a discussion about the malfunctioning of the VIC bot: Please read it for reference. It also contains a proposal for a temporary solution to create gallery archive pages, as they already exist by necessity for QI. Thank you and best regards, -- Radomianin (talk) 11:00, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hm, I think this could be a challenge for a Hack-a-thon. Let me poke around a bit, and see if any fitting ones are coming up where we could slip it in. But this might take time ... well, everything does ... Also if others read this who have more insights into the Hack-a-thons, feel free to take this up! Kritzolina (talk) 10:36, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for your reply. It is a pity that your message at the village pump was unsuccessful. Also the discussion you mentioned on CPUG did not continue. That leaves me a bit helpless. It only remains for me to point out the Foundation's Technical Wishes project and link on the CPUG talk page to this discussion. If only I had a clue about programming structures, I would design a solution myself to replace the galleries and sort the images into categories in the future. Perhaps someone reading this has another idea of where we can turn… -- Radomianin (talk) 09:25, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
- Mmmmm. I think I tried the Village Pump before, but nothing was done. Perhaps a group of Admins active at FPC, QI and VI could get something going? The last time I talked about the problems was here Charlesjsharp (talk) 17:23, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
- Kritzolina, Radomianin, Robert Flogaus-Faust - thanks for the excellent work you all do. I wish I had the time to help. I devote my spare time to improving Wikipedia's animal articles. Most of them are a shambles with poor quality photos inserted all over the article that add no EV. I also have to create many new animal categories for the VI project, then move dozens of images. I have to say that QI is of much lesser interest as the quality threshold is so low and the voting (only one vote) is silly. I do wish that Wikimedia sorted out the uploading tools, bots etc. as the whole process is cumbersome, but no one listens. The Photographers User Group is ineffective and no one listens to them either. Charlesjsharp (talk) 12:33, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
- Dear Charlesjsharp, there is not much to add to what others have already written. Except a huge thanks to Radomianin and to Robert Flogaus-Faust, who are spending a lot of his precious time on this tedious task. And perhaps the one phrase, that might ring a bit empty here, as it is quoted so often: It's a wiki, if you find a mistake, feel free to correct it! But I mean this very honestly, I want you to feel encouraged to make these kind of improvements, because, as Radominanin mentioned already - human errors happen, more so when a task like this is tedious, repetitive and needs to be done regularily. And thank you. Charlesjsharp for contributing so many images to Commons - finding really good images in the pool that needs to be sorted is one of the small joys that keep me at it. Kritzolina (talk) 07:41, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
