User talk:Mwr0

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File:Christen Gerhart.jpg

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Túrelio (talk) 07:30, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Um, Yeah, I already knew that; I already used the Request Undeletion link; the deletion was presumptuous, heavy-handed, and did not presume good faith on my part. User:Jianhui67 seems to jump the gun a lot. See his talk page for my rebuttal. Mwr0 (talk) 22:16, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Blocked Indefinitely

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INeverCry 02:39, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Unblock request

Unblock request granted This blocked user asked to be unblocked, and one or more administrators has reviewed and granted this request. Request reason: "Block was applied due to FALSE accusations; indefinite block violates Commons:Blocking_policy, as does blocking a user for "inappropriate listing of admins who deleted your copyvio", as does blocking User:mwr0 (me, Mark Renton) for a proper file upload, and blocking User:ChristenGohard (Christen Gerhart) for a proper file upload." Unblock reason: "The user reuploaded (once) a deleted image. With no warning, they were indefinitely blocked? Unless there's something I've missed, that is indefensible, especially given that they are technically Unrelated to ChristenGohard, a different account that also re-uploaded the image. They may be meat puppets, but I don't see disruption here on the level that requires this user to remain blocked. Note, however, that uploading images without evidence of permission and (especially) re-uploading deleted images out-of-process is not acceptable and will result in additional blocks if continued. Эlcobbola talk 17:19, 8 May 2015 (UTC)" This template should be archived normally.

(Block log) (unblock) (Change local status for a global block) (contribs)

Note that my delay in requesting the unblock is due to my ignorance of (1) how to request an unblock, and (2) that I could edit my Talk page.

Please note that in response to the 3 images listed below being marked copyvio, and my account and Christen's account being immediately blocked indefinitely, I sent TWO emails to OTRS. In the first of these emails, I was wrong in my arguments about the 1st uploaded file. The second, better email is reproduced below.

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Subject: File:Christen Gerhart.jpg -- realization of my errors!!

This is additional info regarding

File:Christen Gerhart.jpg
File:Christen Gerhart January 2015.JPG
File:Christen Gerhart January 2015 Cropped.jpg
Mark Renton's Wikimedia account: mwr0
Christen Gerhart's Wikimedia account: ChristenGohard

I think I now have a better understanding of the Wikimedia rules, and realize I made some errors!

It doesn't look to me like what I tried to do with the 1st upload (File:Christen Gerhart.jpg) is allowed by the CC licenses.

That is, my current impression is that no matter who holds the copyright to a photo, the original copyright holder must release it with a CC license in order for a subsequent copyright holder to upload it. (If this isn't true, then I still don't know what option in the Upload Wizard allows this.) When I did not see an appropriate option in the Upload Wizard, I made the BAD mistake of thinking that I should use the option that got me to the CC license which I THOUGHT was right (but now see is not). So I AGREE that the 1st upload is invalid.

(Any of the admins could have explained this to me, but I think they assumed I understood the different CC licenses and using the Upload Wizard a lot better than I actually did.)

Then when the undelete request was closed, and I saw that resolving the issue thru e-mail was going to take 52 days, I thought that the right thing to do was just to get the file(s) uploaded properly. Now I suspect that whenever a user has been tagged with a copyvio, any upload of a closely related file is also going to be marked that way.

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But if I had NOT uploaded the 1st file, then Christen's upload of the 2nd file (File:Christen Gerhart January 2015.JPG) should have been OK... She's the photographer-subject of that photo, the original copyright holder, and chose what I think is the right option and license in the Upload Wizard.

Then my upload of the 3rd file (), derived from and properly credited to the 2nd file, should be OK too. Note that the 1st file and the 3rd file are NOT the same file. They just look very similar.

But since I had already been tagged with a copyvio, the 2nd and 3rd uploads were tagged that way, too.

It also occurs to me that an admin might think that I masqueraded as Christen to upload the 2nd file. This would be a major factual error by the admins. If you want to verify that it was really her, you can go to her web site (http://www.christengerhart.com/), click on CONTACT at the top, and use the form to send her an e-mail that way. I think the message might go to info.xxxxxxxx@gmail.com, which forwards it to christenxxxxxxx@gmail.com (Note: She told me via e-mail that she has e-mailed you the release for the 2nd image from your e-mail templates page.)

(The 1st major factual error by the admins was the declaration that the photo could not possibly be a self-taken photo. Christen's an intelligent woman, and seems to have created a set-up which lets her take excellent "selfies".)

(I also think I might have interpreted the photo file's Properties Details wrong. It says the camera is a Sony, but the software is iPhoto. I took this to mean that the SONY is the iPhone's internal camera. I still think that's right, but now I see the possibility that it is a separate camera, and that the iPhone added the software info when the photo was uploaded through it.)

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(End of included email)

Note that if it was assumed that I masqueraded as another person to upload a file, that's a major violation of the Wiki policy of assumption of good faith.

Mwr0 (talk) 20:45, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

The claim that these were taken by Christen herself is interesting, especially considering the All Rights Reserved metadata. If she wanted the images uploaded here under a free license, why would she include that in the EXIF? I would think someone with the technical skill to set up a mechanism for taking high quality portraits of herself wouldn't overlook something as simple as the copyright programmed into the camera's metadata. I would suggest she email OTRS and perhaps explain just what set-up she uses. Also, I would suggest she use an @christengerhart.com email address rather than gmail which would show she is who she says she is beyond doubt. INeverCry 22:48, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

I have just emailed Christen the above paragraph. She may just be unaware of what the EXIF data says.

Looking on the web, I think she's using a Sony Alpha 6000 camera (on a tripod), and uploading the photo to an iPhone/iPad/whatever.

I don't know that she has an @christengerhart.com email address. If you sent her a tiny email via her web site, she could Reply to it, which would include your email text, which should prove that she's really Christen... Are you willing to do that? --- Mwr0 (talk) 00:32, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Ooops, I forgot to ask! Her account's "Blocked User" message says her email is disabled. Does that mean that email from her to the OTRS account will be screened out/deleted? If so, how can she email you? --- Mwr0 (talk) 00:39, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

She can email OTRS directly from her email account. INeverCry 00:47, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Ancillary info — Christen says she uses the iPhone to control the camera (which I think is a Sony Alpha 6000, a step below a dSLR), then uploads the photos to the iPhone; also that the EXIF Copyright is just the camera's default. — Mwr0 (talk) 18:43, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Further improper blocking of Christen Gerhart's account

Please note that the admin has made it impossible for Christen to edit her own Talk page and therefore made it impossible for her to ask for her account to be unblocked! Mwr0 (talk) 20:49, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

My issue has been and still is that these are portraits of Christen Gerhart, and look to be professionally done. The copyright for images like these usually rests with the photographer and not the subject. This can be cleared up by you or her contacting OTRS with the relevant info. I blocked User:ChristenGohard because the account made one edit which was to circumvent our deletion policy and re-upload deleted content that you had also re-uploaded contrary to deletion policy.

I looked at your account info and that one, so I can see that the edits very likely come from two different people. If you can get the copyright issue cleared up through OTRS, then there would be no need for either of you to be blocked, and I would unblock both accounts. My sole reason for both blocks is to prevent re-uploading of deleted possible copyvios. The presence of "Copyright 2015 All Rights Reserved" in the EXIF of these images was what originally caused the first deletion, and as I said, copyright for professional portraits rarely rests with the subject. Once these issues are handled, you can post here or email me, and I'll unblock both accounts. INeverCry 22:37, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Of course the two accounts and uploads are from two different people. If you trace the IP addresses, you'll see they're 1000 miles apart. Assuming that I created and used both accounts is a violation of assumption of good faith. Invoking severe sanctions based on that false belief is wrong.

And as I now have repeatedly stated, and Christen stated or implied in her upload and her email to OTRS, Christen is the photographer as well as the subject. It is a self-taken photo. It is a very-high-quality "selfie". I've already described how you can contact her thru email thru her official web site. And both I and Christen have already emailed OTRS, but apparently those email won't be read for 2 months.

Are you now saying that since I screwed up in my 1st upload, no photo of Christen will ever be allowed on Wikimedia? Or that no photo of Christen will be allowed until the 1st image, which I now admit I messed up in uploading, and am fine with having deleted, has gone thru the 2-month-long OTRS process? Why not just finalize the deletion of the 1st file, noting that I messed up in using the Upload Wizard and did not understand which CC license option was correct? Then the 2nd and 3rd uploads can be cleared.

I feel that deleting properly-uploaded images and making people wait more than two months for redress is abusive.

I feel that blocking users' accounts and making them wait more than two months for redress is abusive. --- Mwr0 (talk) 23:24, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

I outlined my position clearly. We need evidence that the images aren't copyright violations. OTRS doesn't take 2 months. It usually takes a week or 2. Relax a bit and have a good evening. INeverCry 00:42, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

My User Page got overwritten from the Meta

I followed the link about voting for distribution of grant funding, ended up on meta.wikimedia.org -- saw my username there showed up in red, deduced that it was because my User Page there was empty -- created a tiny User Page there -- then it was apparently copied here, overwriting my 'blocked' notice here.

At the bottom of my User Page here is now this notice: What you see on this page was copied from //meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Mwr0.

I was not trying to do anything with my user page here... How do I un-do this? Do I request deletion of my User Page there? (with {{Db-userreq}} or {{Db-u1}}? (Or will that deletion request also be copied here?) I can't revert my User Page here, as I'm blocked -- and I can't revert my User Page there, as that option does not exist.

BTW, Commons:OTRS/Noticeboard now says The current backlog of the (English) permissions-commons queue is: 75 days — Mwr0 (talk) 13:01, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Meta page deleted, Commons User Page back Mwr0 (talk) 01:37, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

Permission-commons finally responded to me

I just recently (June 2nd and 3rd, after more than two months), had an email exchange with permission-commons, trying to resolve the issues with uploading Christen's self-portrait. Christen's email to permission-commmons of two months ago should receive attention soon. At this point, I think six different admins have looked at the issue, and the likely resolution will come from permission-commons (but they don't like to unblock accounts, so one of the other admins would be asked to unblock Christen's account). See the note I added at the bottom of User talk:ChristenGohard. [BTW, no OTRS ticket has been assigned. OTRS ticket number was being hidden from me by Gmail. It is [Ticket#2015033110029351].] — Mwr0 (talk) 20:29, 4 June 2015 (UTC) — [Edited] Mwr0 (talk) 12:38, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

"The current backlog of the (English) permissions-commons queue is: 92 days" Commons:OTRS/Noticeboard — Mwr0 (talk) 20:40, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Getting our permissions issue sorted out (presuming it stays sorted out) took: 78 days. — Mwr0 (talk) 12:38, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

File tagging File:Trump Anonymous phony source Tweet.png

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Yours sincerely, Mitte27 (talk) 11:30, 28 October 2018 (UTC)