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And also:

Yours sincerely, Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 03:29, 27 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Merci de ces explications mais je ne sais pas trop comment agir ! J'ai essayé d'aller sur les liens, mais en vain ou alors en anglais. J'ai modifié sur la 1ere photo mentionnée ci-dessus, j'ai réussi à modifier pour la licence, mais pas pour la source, je suis assez perdue. Au lieu de "Archives familiales", comment retrouver les choix qui m'était proposée au téléchargement. Ces photos ne sont bien sûr pas de moi, ni venant d'un site web, mais des centaines de photos héritées de ma grand mère...Quels termes employer ? Merci de votre aide — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chennevieres (talk • contribs) 17:29, February 27, 2015‎ (UTC)

Pinging User:BrightRaven for assistance, please.

Looks like some of the images are PD if they were unpublished, per {{Anonymous-EU}}, but we just need to establish that. Others very likely are not. Template:Personal collection might come in useful as a source. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 01:05, 28 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Bonjour. J'ai examiné les premières images et voici mon opinion :

File:13-Raoul Paoli-Cinéma - Big House - 1931.pdf, File:14-Raoul Paoli-Cinéma - Timide malgré lui 1930.pdf, File:15-Raoul Paoli-Cinéma - Avec Laurel et Hardy.pdf, File:12-Raoul Paoli-Cinéma - Safety in numbers - 1930.pdf, File:10-Raoul Paoli -Cinéma - A night of mystery - 1928.pdf, File:11-Raoul Paoli -Cinéma - Kit Carson - 1928.pdf, File:09-Raoul Paoli-Cinéma - Le beau sabreur - 1928.pdf, File:07-Raoul Paoli-Cinéma - The Coward - 1927.pdf, File:08-Raoul Paoli-Cinéma - Woman wise - 1928.pdf, File:06-Raoul Paoli-Cinéma - Senorita - 1927.pdf, File:03-Raoul Paoli-Cinéma - Terreur - 1924.pdf, File:05-Raoul Paoli -Cinéma - Nitchevo - 1926.pdf, File:04-Raoul Paoli-Cinéma - Mme Sans Gêne - 1925.pdf : il s'agit de photos promotionnelles de films américains des années 1920. Il faut vérifier si elles ont été publiées sans "copyright notice". Si c'est bien le cas, elles sont dans le domaine public et peuvent donc être conservées avec la licence {{PD-US-no notice}}. (Il faut également vérifier la date de publication pour celles qui ne sont pas datées.)
File:Raoul Paoli - Cinéma-Dédicace Douglas Fairbanks - Le pirate noir-1926.pdf : probablement aussi une photo promotionnelle. Idem que ci-dessus.
File:01-Raoul Paoli-Cinéma - Phroso - 1922.pdf, File:01-Raoul Paoli-Cinéma - Article Ciné Miroir-1924-25.pdf : extraits de journaux français des années 1920. Pas dans le domaine public, à moins que les auteurs des articles et des photos puissent être identifiés et qu'ils soient morts depuis plus de 70 ans. Donc pas acceptables sur Commons.
File:02-Raoul Paoli-Cinéma - Gachucha - 1923.pdf : photo promotionnelle d'un film français de 1923. Pas dans le domaine public, à moins que l'auteur de la photo puisse être identifié et qu'il soit mort depuis plus de 70 ans. Donc pas acceptable sur Commons.
File:Raoul Paoli - Cinéma-Dédicace Douglas Fairbanks.jpg, File:Raoul Paoli - Cinéma-Dédicace Gary Cooper 1928.jpg, File:Raoul Paoli - Cinéma-Dédicace-Pearl White.pdf : photos publiées aux USA, dédicacées, datées, mais sans "copyright notice". {{PD-US-no notice}} est à mon avis d'application.
File:Raoul Paoli - Cinéma-dédicace-Maurice Chevalier.pdf : photo par Dora Kallmus, probablement publiée par son studio de Paris. Entrera dans le domaine public en 2034. Ne peut être acceptée sur Commons avant cette date.

Cordialement, BrightRaven (talk) 10:09, 28 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Bonjour, et tous mes remerciements du temps passé sur ce sujet et des modifications déjà effectuées) Je comprends et accepte évidemment ce constat. Des réponses donc mais qui soulèvent d'autres questions :

1 Pour ce début de réponse, "Others very likely are not. Template:Personal collection might come in useful as a source. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 01:05, 28 February 2015 (UTC)"[reply]

J'ai mis le raccourci Private collection

dans la source et dans les conditions d'utilisation, est-ce correct ? Suffisant ? Car il y a toujours le message d'alerte sur la page

Pourquoi cette archive est acceptable (car je viens de chercher, apparemment journaliste encore vivant) et non d'autres articles comme , par exemple celui du Ciné Miroir, notifié comme non acceptable ? Idem pour tous les autres articles déposés. Et pour les articles canadiens ou américains ?

2 Pour autre réponse de BrightRaven : "Il faut vérifier si elles ont été publiées sans "copyright notice". Si c'est bien le cas, elles sont dans le domaine public et peuvent donc être conservées avec la licence {{PD-US-no notice}}. (Il faut également vérifier la date de publication pour celles qui ne sont pas datées.) Comment savoir, où chercher ?"

Pour les photos et pour les articles.

Pour D. fairbanks et G. Cooper, j'ai vu vos modifications, comment/où avez vous trouvé qu'il n'y avait pas de "copyright notice" ? "Ensuite si c'est bon, mettre le raccourci {{PD-US-no notice}}" tel quel ? dans la source ? Dans les conditions d'utilisations ?

Merci de ces nouvelles réponses qui me permettront de mieux comprendre et d'éviter de futures erreurs

Bonjour. Ce journal français de 1951 ne peut pas être accepté ici. Pour qu'il soient acceptable, il faudrait que tous ses auteurs (journalistes, photographes) soient morts depuis plus de 70 ans, ce qui est impossible. Pour les articles américains, les choses sont différentes. S'ils ont été publiés avant 1923, ils sont dans le domaine public et donc acceptables. S'ils ont été publiés entre 1923 et 1977 sans "copyright notice", ils sont aussi dans le domaine public (mais c'est rare, la plupart de journaux comporte une "copyright notice" quelque part). Pour les journaux canadiens, c'est 50 ans après la mort des auteurs.

Les photos dédicacées de Fairbanks et Cooper sont à mon avis acceptable pour les raisons suivantes. Il s'agit de photos destinées à être dédicacées : elles ont donc été rendues publiques (il ne s'agit pas de photos non publiées issues d'archives familiales par exemple). La date de cette publication peut être estimée : elle est forcément antérieure à la date de la dédicace. Le nom du photographe est lisible sur la photo, ce qui permet d'établir que ces photos ont bien été publiées aux USA. Je ne vois pas sur ces photos de "copyright notice" et comme il s'agit de documents publiés seuls, je peux supposer qu'il n'y en avait pas. (S'il y en avait un, il se trouverait probablement avec le nom du photographe.)

Pour les photos qui semblent être des photos promotionnelles de films, il faut suivre le même raisonnement : ont-elles bien été publiées (si ce sont bien des photos promotionnelles, c'est probablement le cas) ? Quand ? Où ? Y avait-il un "copyright notice" (qui ne se trouvait peut-être pas sur les photos elles-mêmes, mais sur un document qui les accompagnait.

Le modèle {{PD-US-no notice}} doit être placé après le titre =={{int:filedesc}}==

Si vous cherchez plus d'information sur la législation en matière de droits d'auteurs en France, aux USA ou au Canada, vous pouvez consulter : COM:CRT.

Cordialement, BrightRaven (talk) 10:39, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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BrightRaven (talk) 16:35, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Bonjour, Pas de problème pour la suppression si ce n'est pas acceptable.

je vais vous embêter une dernière fois : Si je ne trouve pas de copyright notice (pour les photos venant des US sur promotions de films) ni sur les photos ni sur des documents annexes, y-a-t-il moyen de trouver ces informations quelque part ? Elles datent de la période entre 1927 et 1933

Idem en France, si je n'ai pas de signature sur les articles ? Merci encore

Merci de vos conseils

Bonjour. En ce qui concerne les photos promotionnelles : je pense (et cela semble être également l'avis d'autres contributeurs, vu les résultats des demandes de suppression ci-dessous) que si vous ne trouvez pas les copyright notices sur les photos, on peut considérer qu'il n'y en avait pas et donc conserver ces photos avec la licence {{PD-US-no notice}} ou {{PD-US-not renewed}}. Pour les articles de journaux européens : si vous possédez le journal ou au moins l'article en entier et qu'il n'y a pas de signature, la licence {{PD-EU-anonymous}} peut être utilisée pour les articles d'avant 1945. Si par contre, vous ne possédez qu'une coupure de presse et que la signature pouvait être présente au départ, mais qu'elle a été découpée, je pense qu'il faut attendre un délai de l'ordre de 120 ans après publication pour que ça devienne acceptable ici. Meilleures salutations. BrightRaven (talk) 16:30, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Bonjour, comme vous pouvez le voir sur la liste de discussions que j'ai eu sur le sujet en mars, https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Chennevieres j'ai reçu des aides et conseils de la communauté pour mettre certaines indications, dont les premières ont été déposées par ces mêmes personnes. J'étais d'accord pour la suppression des fichiers s'ils posaient problème. Ceux qui restaient avaient donc été acceptés. Je rappelle que ces documents font partie de mes archives familiales, personnelles et ne viennent pas d'autres sites internet ou autres sources. Hier j'ai juste modifié le format(avant en pdf et nouveau en jpg) comme il me l'était demandé voulant bien faire et aussi en finir avec ce sujet car je ne suis pas une pro et cela devient compliqué et long pour moi et semble sans fin. Dommage car j'aime votre site et voulait d'une part y participer, d'autre part partager ces photos qui sinon finiront dans mes placards.

Maintenant, comme une bonne liste de fichiers est concernée, qu'est-il possible de faire ? En espérant que tout mon travail ne soit pas supprimé, ce serait dommage pour tout le monde. Désolée d'être si longue mais les explications étaient nécessaires. Merci de vos réponses. Cordialement

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Bonjour, comme vous pouvez le voir sur la liste de discussions que j'ai eu sur le sujet en mars, https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Chennevieres j'ai reçu des aides et conseils de la communauté pour mettre certaines indications, dont les premières ont été déposées par ces mêmes personnes. J'étais d'accord pour la suppression des fichiers s'ils posaient problème. Ceux qui restaient avaient donc été acceptés. Je rappelle que ces documents font partie de mes archives familiales, personnelles et ne viennent pas d'autres sites internet ou autres sources. Hier j'ai juste modifié le format(avant en pdf et nouveau en jpg) comme il me l'était demandé voulant bien faire et aussi en finir avec ce sujet car je ne suis pas une pro et cela devient compliqué et long pour moi et semble sans fin. Dommage car j'aime votre site et voulait d'une part y participer, d'autre part partager ces photos qui sinon finiront dans mes placards.

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Discasto _talk 17:35, 18 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Bonjour, Je viens de vérifier et donc indiquer la date précise de 1927, j'espère donc que ce sera ok, puisque ce fichier avait été accepté en mars suite à certaines discussions https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Chennevieres. J'ai encore des photos à remplacer par des versions jpg, puis-je continuer ou vais- je de nouveau avoir des soucis ? Bien cordialement. Chennevières

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