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您好、關於維基百科上暗殺教室角色列表一覽 在潮田渚角色介紹中所使用的角色扮演者的照片 為我本人在去年CWT場次上被拍攝到的照片 由於並未有任何告知及說明的行為就直接使用 希望能將照片從網頁上撤下、謝謝! — Preceding unsigned comment was added by 122.118.135.91 (talk) 11:46, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

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Yours sincerely, G I Chandor (talk) 23:16, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

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Yours sincerely, G I Chandor (talk) 07:52, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

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Yours sincerely, G I Chandor (talk) 23:39, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

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Affected:

And also:

Yours sincerely, G I Chandor (talk) 03:46, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

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And also:

Yours sincerely, G I Chandor (talk) 03:58, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

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Yours sincerely, G I Chandor (talk) 00:27, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

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Affected:


Yours sincerely, G I Chandor (talk) 03:30, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

關於高雄捷運各站的排序方式

您好，非常感謝您在高雄捷運各站的編輯。

我發現您是用車站編號對各站進行排序的，這樣對於熟悉該線路的人可能比較方便，但是對於不熟悉該線路的人來說，在相鄰的兩站都不知道名稱的情況下，想找到一個站只能一個一個去找，相對來說可能效率比較低。所以想問一下可否採用字母排序的方式，這樣知道站名的話就能很快找到車站了。--そらみみ (talk) 07:55, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

最近比較少上Wikipedia Commons，回覆晚一點請見諒。
小生以前以前也編輯過日本鐵路、捷運車站分類，印象深刻的就是長距離路線往往有數十甚至上百座車站，在分類中即使知道站名卻不知道車站在線路中的先後相對位置（更不用說所在行政單位），找起來也不方便，縮以北、高捷運車站分類都用先後次序（車站編號）排列。不過如果以一般慣例蓋成用拼音（字母順序）排序，小生不會反對。--玄史生 (talk) 16:47, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
@玄史生: 感謝您的回應，我已改成按字母順序排列。--そらみみ (talk) 12:06, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

International trucks

There is a discussion on this page whether images should be categorised as International trucks or International Harvester trucks.   Not many wikipedia contributors have contributed to the discussion or voted with their preference, but you have contributed to material on International Harvester.   I would be grateful, if you have the time, if you would share your own opinion on the page name.  And thank you. Eddaido (talk) 00:25, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

You said "行政區劃是人文政治，不是地理"?

Please look here: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], and [6]. Category:Districts of...Taichung, Taoyuan, New Taipei, Taipei, Tainan, or Kaohsiung, these are all in the sub-category of geography. I see you repeat that "行政區劃是人文政治，不是地理" but I'm not sure what it means. I think you mean that, "In sorting politics rather than geography." If so, then I tell you: "You are wrong." It is classified in political geography rather than politics. You have to know that political geography is a discipline of human geography, and human geography is the branch of geography. If you try to work hard on these courses(such as Junior high school, Senior High School, or University) in school, then you will understand why I do that. Not to mention that other countries also do so. If you do not trust me, you can look that up in Category:Geography by country(or this: Category:Categories by country subdivision). I don't know why only you have this problem, but I want to know more. Can you talk about why you think that "行政區劃是人文政治，不是地理"? Finally, I hope you don't use the "undo", on the contrary, that's likely to cause trouble for me.--Kai3952 (talk) 22:53, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia commons分類貴在簡潔實用，不一定求與學理盡合，認為地方行政區劃是政治地理學之一部，雖然沒錯，其他國家的分類也有此先例，可是要查城市地方行政區劃這種最基本常用的情報，居然還要往下查好幾層才找得到，實在太過瑣碎。如果是利用Wikipedia commons的搜索引擎直接找分類或檔案，那麼Wikipedia commons搜索引擎對中、日文等16bit文字的精確度實在低得匪夷所思，聊勝於無而已。整理檔案雖然要極力尊重前人的努力與其他國家已有分類的先例，也要考量現有的檔案數目與水準需不需要繼續細分。感謝足下的意見，今後整理分類上會多留意其他國家的先例與基準，做更慎重的考量。--玄史生 (talk) 07:20, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
照你這麼說，意思是叫我不要整理，維持現狀即可，是嗎？我不知道你為何認為是「瑣碎」，我只不過將行政區劃放在地理這一類，算起來往下查也只要按二次(例如:嘉義市主頁往下就是嘉義市地理)，這不就找到嘉義市行政區劃，你看你自己說「查好幾層」，顯然你是誇大。如果真的是「瑣碎」，為何你要誇大呢？--Kai3952 (talk) 10:17, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
玄史生，請問你有看到嗎？我需要確定你的意思。--Kai3952 (talk) 22:28, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
我知道你看懂中文，但你有上線編輯，所以我以為你應該會看到我對你的回應。難道是我中文不好，這才讓你看不懂而沒回應？--Kai3952 (talk) 05:00, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
回覆晚了點，尚祈見諒。小生的意思不是維持現狀即可，無須整理，而是應該等照片媒體數有一定水準後再整理。五都改制以前，臺灣省不計直轄市有309鄉鎮，可是臺灣鄉鎮的分類要到2016年才被較完整，最大的問題就是臺灣城鄉文化水準差距實在太大，例如臺中市（不是臺北市）海線大安區，扣掉地圖後才一張照片，小生即使偶有回臺中掃墓，也無暇一訪拍照；屏東縣泰武鄉如果不是找到南、北大武山的照片，幾乎無從立分類，大武山是南臺灣的名山，但維基人幾乎無人無人造訪攝影。東臺灣的幹道臺九線（北宜、蘇花、花東、南迴），2016年初全線還不到20張，如今下分成四類，每類下又逐縣劃分，雖然有益，以現況而言還是過於細碎。
前面提到臺灣鄉鎮媒體極端不足的問題，最近一、二年因為Wikipedia Travel、Google panoramio的照片大量轉移到Wikipedia Commons，而明顯改善。可是機器人上傳程式沒有分類功能，或只有簡單分類，搜索引擎如前所述也不一定管用，創分類後一一精查檔案，如嘉義縣東石鄉鰲鼓濕地，就要花上一、二個小時，如果是更大規模者，如最近在臺北市士林、北投區Google panoramio的照片，真的要花上十天半月才比較完善。所以小生絕非反對整理分類，而是挖坑之後填坑才是難事，不管是自己拍照或整理他人檔案才是難事。
以上所言，大不分基於小生過去的觀察，新時代有新時代的方法，如果足下認為不妥，請直接改正，無須在意跟不上時代的迂腐老人，冒犯怠慢之處，尚請直言。--玄史生 (talk) 10:58, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
這事，我前不久有問過別人，他的看法也與你一樣。只不過差別的是，你與他都認為現在量不多，而我考量卻是日後之事才現在預先整理、細分。我爭議之處並不在於整理、細分，反而你與他都是在告訴我，我時機上「選擇現在」整理不對，因為量還沒那麼多(意思如同於你說：「應該等照片媒體數有一定水準後」)。然而，你也知道的，很多類別都是產生極端化發展，比方說A、B、C這些類別都在城市裡，圖片異常的多而集中，C、D、E這些類別可能在離島或山區，反而圖片沒那麼多，甚至1個類別只有1張，所以依你意思好像不止有告訴我等媒體數，也是想告訴我要看哪些類別是特別多的媒體，那裡才是急需優先整理並細分，是嗎？反過來說，也就是叫我別一視同仁，全部的每一個縣市裡媒體都進行相同方式的整理並細分，反而產生城市細分是剛好，山區或離島細分則是反效果的。--Kai3952 (talk) 06:57, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

我剛有找到二個範例，以便確定你的意思。你看林家花園、彰話扇形車庫，維基共享資源一頁只能顯示200張圖片，若按此發展而不整理，恐怕屯積2頁、3頁……x頁，此刻情況就會陷入如你形容般「填坑是難事」，早已經要花上好幾倍時間整理與細分才會完成。我不解，難道有很多人喜歡折騰自己嗎，非得等到媒體數多到自己的預期，才來花自己好幾倍時間整理，卻跑來對我說：「花上十天半月才比較完善」，這種明知可以不用等發展太多時就可以先整理，為何選擇等到量太多才來折騰自己，是為什麼呢？這樣跑來抱怨，或向我責怪是有用嗎？我是剛好屬於相反的，明知預先會發生的事，我就會先去做，而不會等到媒體數一多，太過細分只是在使用上不便，不代表細分就是瑣碎而不好，只是要知道自己這樣細分，這些類別真的百分百會日後發展成媒體數很多，那麼現在被說是瑣粹，到那時也自然消失而不存在有瑣碎。不然還有一個辦法，就是將這些類別給隱藏掉(或改成重定向)，比如你說臺九線，被細分之後的有些類別，現在的確是產生「一個類別只有一張圖」，但你也要考量到台灣人習性與文化，路是很親近的，先不說遊客，光是說公路迷，雖然不見得會上傳，但日後肯定會有人瘋狂上傳，只是時間上問題，所以我不覺得現在細分太早或瑣碎，因為我不是「等到日後屯積太多量才整理」這種人，除非你能知道未來最近這幾年(2018、2019、2020年)，整條台9線都被廢棄或被山崩埋沒了，政府因此才宣布以後沒有台9線而使我這種細分喪失其價值，否則的話，我這樣預先細分就根本有存在意義(媒體量是時間上問題)。--Kai3952 (talk) 07:19, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

感謝足下的意見，前面提到的板橋林家花園、彰化扇型機關車庫，因為年深歲久，累積相當數量的檔案；但只要把握整理方向，如前者可依樓閣、苑池、建築元素區分，後者依建築、設施、車輛分，檔案再多假以時間整理絕非難事。小生所怕的是，有人為了大量上傳方便與增加檔案搜索曝光率，刻意細分大量分類，然後又不分上下階層關係一股腦全加上去，例如以前2013年信義誠品照片，或最近的香港演藝學院包玉剛禮堂成龍像，後人整理分類疲於奔命，留下來的瑣細分類要存要廢野花功夫，這才是小生所痛深惡絕者。
公路的問題，時間雖然是解決問題的方法之一，但沒有媒體的空分類，對Wikipedia Commons使用者幫助不大，也不可能在Google等搜索引擎排行佔上位。日本的場合，國道與主要縣道照片比較充實，除了有地方熱心人士努力，再來就是公路網揭載行車紀錄器的影像截圖，再轉上傳至此。可是早期行車紀錄器畫質較差，又容易受天候、路況左右，量雖多，好壞差距極大。臺灣的場合，目前就只有中山高速公路、臺三線與部分東西快速道路有一定水準，離完備還很遙遠。先見之明雖然重要，但不能過分期待他力本願，更不能輕忽無心或有心的惡意。這不是埋怨，更不是指責，只是一點個人感想。--玄史生 (talk) 04:12, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
問題不在於整理方向，也不在於按照樓閣、苑池、建築元素去分類，更不在於建築、設施、車輛去分類，你說的好像我從來沒分類過而需要別人教導似的，我話中是有請教你嗎？我拿林家花園、彰話扇形車庫當範例，讓你當借鏡，放任成長而積壓後果就會像林家花園、彰化扇形車庫一堆檔案(圖片)。
公路本身是沒問題，有問題是進行分類的那個人，而那個人就是我去分類的，否則你又怎麼會有意見。你話都說很透澈，我再不明白就不是顯得我這人是故意裝不懂嗎；所以，你話說這麼多，還不是在強調你之前的話，意思根本沒變，無非是叫我等檔案變多了再來整理分類。虧你說的"先見之明雖然重要，但不能過分期待他力本願"這話，好像我的先見之明(但我上面的話可沒說自己是"先見之明")壓你頭去照做似的，你說話可以不要用你主觀感受去取代你的思考嗎，我只不過在說我不是像你一樣這種人(等積壓一堆再來整理)，後面的話也只是在強調我這些分類是預先設想好:"在未來仍有利用價值才決定大膽去現在先整理細分"。
經過你我之間多次溝通，我也深知你我之間根本是二方對立的立場，你是選擇"後做"，我是選擇"先做"，而我只看見"後做"的問題就是積壓與費時費力，至於先做，我是不知道會帶來什麼壞處。反正，我再這麼做下去，恐怕爭議不完，你現在對我說這麼多就是最好的見證；相對地，可能是我多慮(如你說"先見之明")，像你這種人在維基共享資源倒是很多，差別只是他們對"臺灣需要被整理的檔案"瞭不瞭解、願不願意動手整理並分類，我看到是很少的，也或許與你說的有關係，臺灣各地差異太大，需要整理的都只集中特定幾處(換言之，其它都不用整理或細分)，因此對臺灣有關檔案(圖片)編輯與整理分類的人很少。既然如此，沒有我(10月15日開始就沒做了)，你們也是可以做到，免得突顯出"先見之明雖然重要，但不能過分期待他力本願"你說這種人。--Kai3952 (talk) 19:00, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

我覺得你這個人怎麼會是這樣子的，既然你都要去做了，為何還對我說:"只要把握整理方向……整理絕非難事"這種話，我看你早在10月18日就進行:

我參考其它國家的分類上做法，很多國家都會將自己的分類給整理井然有序，而你卻是堅持放著不管(等累積多了再整理)，使得當前的臺灣很多類別裡所存放的圖片是零亂不堪，說什麼細分會怎麼樣……一堆(你立場是告訴我:瑣碎而使用不便)，沒整理就是這樣子，你那套"歪理"對我誆稱日後累積多了再整理，不僅搬出臺九線，你還搬出北大武山並牽扯上泰武鄉，居然把我沒做過的事也拿來說(泰武鄉關我何事)，我現在回頭細細閱讀你之前說的話才發現到的。 原本話題是你對"行政區劃"放在"地理"裡頭感到瑣碎，其分類上做法應以"簡便"、"實用"為優先(不用太合乎學理)；可是到了後來，你反而說到我"全部"對分類上做法，逐一對建築、公路、高山。也就是說，你已經將話題從單純"行政區劃放在地理"給擴大到"臺灣各地差距太大"這話題，你就進而搬出"使有些類別積壓很多檔案、有些類別的檔案少到無須細分"這套理論，並依此理叫我別動手整理細分(因為你說太瑣碎)。由此看來，我做法上已經被你挑剔到無一優點，說成像是不希望我這種人存在似的。 "臺灣各地差距太大"與"檔案的多寡"是二回事，你不能只看一個點，我的看法是:

  • 人為因素
    • 拍攝者的主動性
      • 因興趣而去拍
      • 因好玩而大量拍攝
      • 因工作而取景專業
    • 上傳者的意願度
      • 若是拍攝與上傳同一人，端看他要不要上傳。
      • 若是拍攝與上傳不同人，端看上傳者而定(他有時間也有意願做)。
    • 版權的合宜性
      • 維基只接受這三種:
        3. Public Domain
      • 正因為受限於以上三種，即便拍了再多，不符合也是枉然(不能上傳)。
  • 環境因素
    • 愈離生活貼近，其場景愈容易拍攝取得
    • 現場的拍攝地對於拍攝者的障礙(難度上)多寡
      • 依拍攝的場景與構圖而定，有很多例子，比如:逆光、被樹遮住、沒有立足點……等。這等圖片較為優質而有主題性。
      • 若是隨便拍就限制較少，只要有立足點，拍攝的鏡頭沒被遮住，想拍什麼就拍什麼。這等圖片較為粗糙而無主題性。

由此可知，沒被上傳的、還沒上傳的，不能因此就視為你說:"臺灣城鄉文化水準差距實在太大"這話，甚至與"有類別的檔案少、有類別檔案多"這現象沒有因果關係。臺灣各地到處都有人(他們會開車、走動、爬山、潛水)，他們有沒有數位相機、智能手機，有了又會不會選擇去拍攝，拍攝了又會不會願意採用或Public Domain為版權去上傳；相對地說，若是有智能手機或專業相機，爬到高山或路途遙遠的偏僻之處，他想拍還是會拍，問題是他不見得會上傳(版權不選擇用或Public Domain)，更何況有些人是為了興趣、為了工作、為了教育，他們這些人都是為了自己的，也不見得有人願意將作品(拍攝的檔案)上傳，這是屬於人為因素。我個人認為，人為因素遠大過於環境因素，無法被上傳全因為版權，其次才是還沒被拍攝或還沒被上傳，而不是因為"臺灣城鄉文化水準差距實在太大"才發生"有類別的檔案少、有類別檔案多"這現象。--Kai3952 (talk) 08:56, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

玄史生，是不是我說太多，你看不出我向你詢問是什麼問題，所以你才沒理會?--Kai3952 (talk) 20:04, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
我在等候你的答覆，我要知道你想要我怎麼做。--Kai3952 (talk) 11:51, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
請足下照自己想做的去做就對了，不必在意別人的意見。--玄史生 (talk) 05:13, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
我現在很怕你，因為你前面的話與你現在說的話是互相矛盾，既然你這麼反彈，卻又不告訴怎麼做，最後只答覆我別在意你的意見，你一開始就不要說不就沒事，說了又不能面對，這麼做是在找我痲煩，如此行為就好像在告訴我，我只要做了什麼整理或任何編輯的舉動，就會引來你的意見。我會想辦法恢復原狀，包括你說的細分問題。此外，我舉例林家花園、彰化扇形車庫已經被你玩過一次了，因為原本我拿例子是用來討論，我反而被你給教導，而且也沒告訴我就偷偷給處理掉，十分很不尊重我，好像我這個人做事是這種人似的。你把我給黑掉了，你知道嗎？所以我以為你是為了行政區劃與分類細分的，所以才如此藉故黑我的，使我體認到原來我熱心編輯在別人看來是如此回報的，真是感謝你呀。學到這次教訓後，我往後會更加慎重創建分類的頁面(甚至說有困擾也別做出細分)，你可以看看我的紀錄知道，有沒有細分，你一目了然。--Kai3952 (talk) 13:01, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

你直接告訴我好了，除了行政區劃依你要求去恢復原狀，那些被我細分的類別，有哪些在你眼中才算是細分？--Kai3952 (talk) 14:15, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

@玄史生: 你有沒有看到我，如果有看到，麻煩請回應：
  • 你上次說「臺灣城鄉文化水準差距實在太大」，並對我抱怨說「往下查好幾層才找得到」，所以你不希望我分類太過瑣碎。我想請問你，你是要我停止進行「每類下又逐縣市劃分」嗎？如果是，過去已經被細分的已經累積龐大數量，我假如要恢復原狀，唯一做法是提交刪除，但是這麼做會涉及「大量濫刪」之嫌，我會使管理員誤當成是破壞，你還有更好的方法嗎？
  • 對於「臺灣城鄉文化水準差距實在太大」，我上次在這段話有向你說明，不知道你有看過嗎？如果有看，你能告訴我，你看到我說的是想表達什麼意思嗎？
  • 你一開始是這麼說，可是你到後面卻這麼說，所以我想你應該不會是因為我將行政區劃改成地理所導致，更準確地說，我將行政區劃改成地理只是導火線，你藉機向我表達你對我做法上的訴求，是不是像我說這樣？
  • 按照你之前做法，我拿板橋林家花園、彰化扇形車庫討論，你會當成我在找你教我，我覺得這是問題。問題在於你親力親為，雖然看似好事，但是變成我要告訴你才知道去整理，所以真正問題是那些沒有被你看見的，你是不是因為沒看見就不知道而沒去整理？像我告訴你嘉義火車站累積超過200張，你就會知道，但是你希望每一次別人告訴你就去整理嗎，有沒有更好的方法呢？
  • 我從來沒看見你有表達，你能否告訴我，你心中認定大規模積壓而需要被細分與整理，這是怎麼樣的「大規模積壓」？另一種問法，假設你認為「大規模積壓」指一頁超出200張，那麼我將199張細分與整理之後，是不是變成你心中所認為「太過瑣碎」情況？--Kai3952 (talk) 20:36, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
小生雖然反對過分瑣細的分類，但是如前面所提的分縣市別的公路、郵局等，既然已經分了，小生也有必要尊重別人的處置。畢竟這些分類內容都還有透過整理未分類檔案等途徑再增加內容的機會，只是速度不會很快，所以已經建立的分類，沒有再刪除的必要。
關於分類內容的整理時機，很可惜目前分類追蹤只能做到網頁的變動，沒有辦法反映其下檔案樹的增減。而小生建立的分類到目前為止至少有6200以上，而且以後還會增加，這麼多當然不能全靠自己每天一一巡視，重點是只要知道分類的方法，即使3、500張整理起來也是小事。就像來自政府機關公開照片或私人相簿動漫場活動的照片，一次可能有上千張，連自動上傳都花時間。內容更森羅萬象，你也不太可能要求別人一開始把所有分類做好，能年月先後不失序就謝天謝地，接下來做得更完善就是後面的人該做的事。
過去英文維基的建議，新分類以媒體數滿20以上為原則，但是最近再看沒有找到。當然如果新分類目前可能只有1、2張，但如果自己有辦法填坑，或將來內容還有成長的潛力，當然要芬也不是問題。--玄史生 (talk) 13:08, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
  • 不要說白話，這樣等於是沒說。你前面說反對，現在說尊重，那你是要我怎麼做呢？
  • 你看你說的這些話：[7], [8], [9]，你一次比一次說的話更加重。你說你這叫「反對」？你好像沒有尊重我，尤其是你的開場劈頭就對我這人說很武斷的話，當我察覺你說話有漏洞時( 因為我發現你將「瑣碎」給誇大 )，你就顧左右而言他，我當然會一直對你說的話產生顧慮，但到現在，你一直沒面對我說的話，更加使我感受你是不是想強迫我做什麼事。如果你不是，希望請你從我的角度去解開我的疑問，這樣我才能搞懂你什麼是你認為的「分類內容的整理時機」。
  • 關於分類內容的整理時機，我向來根據「分類需要」而定，你看別人也這麼做，根本沒明文規定多少數量才需要被整理，也沒看過有人因為過分瑣細的分類而被刪除，所以我不知道你對說分類內容的整理時機是根據什麼？難道是你自己？--Kai3952 (talk) 21:15, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
玄史生，怎麼你遇到這話題，總是在拖延，你既然敢這樣說，怎不敢面對我的疑問？--Kai3952 (talk) 21:56, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
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