Talk:BSicon/New icons and icon requests/Archive 3

Red and blue sets

I would like some more icons in the red and blue sets. In the blue set future continuation arrows backward and forward  (exCONTg blue) and  (exCONTf blue), and tunnel station  (tBHF blue). In the red set future tunnel station  (extBHF red). The missing images can be seen here. Thanks, 117Avenue (talk) 05:14, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

 Done. Useddenim (talk) 12:45, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

In the red set please create   (exBHFCCe red), a future version of   (BHFCCe red) and the future red version of  (BHFCCe), and   (extBS2l red), the future red version of  (extBS2l). In the blue set please create  (DST blue), the blue version of  (DST) and  (uDST),   (TUNNELa blue), the blue version of  (TUNNELa) and  (uTUNNELa), and   (tBS2r blue), the blue version of  (tBS2r) and  (utBS2r). Just like   (tBHF red-blue) is split left/right red/blue, could a  (STR) and  (BHF) be split left/right red/blue,   (STR red-blue),   (BHF red-blue)? The needed images can be seen here. Thanks, 117Avenue (talk) 18:54, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Or you could learn to use a text editor and figure out how to change six characters in a file. But we don’t need your half-assed version of an RDT in the first place... Useddenim (talk) 00:03, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

I was hoping for more participation in the discussions to decide what to do with the Edmonton diagram, so that I don't make half-assed proposals, but if users won't help me here I guess the diagram will stay as is. 117Avenue (talk) 04:31, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Discussion: IMHO—and others’ too—there should be a basic diagram for the network (on the system page—in this case en:Template:ETS LRT future on en:Edmonton Light Rail Transit) with only “coarse” detail (stations, major rivers, tunnel start/end etc.), and individual diagrams with “fine” detail (connecting, adjacent & crossing lines, yards & other infrastructure, over- and underpasses, etc.) for each route: en:Template:Metro Line on the en:Metro Line page, en:Template:Capital Line on the en:Capital Line page, and en:Template:Valley Line (ETS) on the en:Valley Line page (when it’s finally created). Useddenim (talk) 00:11, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I don't understand what you're saying with starting your comment with "Discussion" in bold. Do you believe that stating your opinion on an unrelated talk page on a different project, is participating in the Edmonton discussion on Wikipedia? Please join the discussion at en:Template talk:ETS LRT route#Metro Line routes and en:Template talk:ETS LRT future#Use. Thanks, 117Avenue (talk) 05:28, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

That's just willful misunderstanding on your part. Useddenim (talk) 17:38, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

New icons created for stations and stops

Hi, I've drawn 38 new stations/stops icons, and uploaded them on Commons. They have not yet any place in these tables, apart from first 2. They are:  (DSTCCa),  (DSTCCe),   (DSTCCqa),   (DSTCCqe),   (DSTCC),   (DSTCCq), and similar series for   (BSTCC) (6 icons),  (HSTCC) (6 icons),   (SHSTCC) (6 icons),   (SBHFCC) (6 icons),   (S+BHFCC) (6 icons); beside them, two icons for parallel lines (  (vBHFCC)/  (vBHFCCa). In those schemes also  (BHFCCqa)/  (BHFCCqe) are missing (they were created by another user in 2010).

I'm going to make the t (tunnel) version for all of those drawings. --Tener (talk) 17:28, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

 Added them. Feel free to edit those pages, we will only be grateful! t versions should show up once you upload them (if not, make an empty edit). YLSS (talk) 18:10, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

road link

Are there icons that signify a station with a road link? That is, a station with a rail line going one way, and a "generic road" going another?

I have looked at the catalogues of BSIcons including the Tuvalkin lists, but it seems this kind of icon simply does not exist. There are "road/rail" icons but they only concern themselves with crossings of rail lines and roads. I'm looking for a simple station with the rail line going out one way and a road going out another way - in essence, a red dot with one red line and one grey(?) line. (the interchange icons are complex and unintuitive - there might be something useable there but my eye did not catch it).

Thus my first question is: am I going about this the wrong way?

Assuming I'm not, what icon (or, possibly) overlay of icons can I use?

Specifics always help, so here is my situation:

Check out en:Template:Keewatin Railway and the Pukatawagan station. I would like to crisply display that the station lies outside and to the right of the actual settlement, and that from the station you need to drive left on a road to get to town.

On Google maps, enter "Pukatawagan, MB, Canada", zoom in three or four steps until the rail line appears. Switch to Satellite view and you will see how the rail station is to the right of the community, connected by a road.

As I envision this, I would like a town icon in the left column and the rail station icon (the KBHFxa one) in the right. These should be connected, but not by red (rail) instead by gray ("generic road").

Any thoughts much appreciated, thx 90.229.34.175 10:02, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Do you mean  ? All you need to do is use an overlay. The RDT code would be {{BS3|town|RP1w|O2=KBHFxa|251||[[Pukatawagan, Manitoba|]]}} where “town” is replaced by whatever icon you want to use for the town. (BTW, the Template link you included above should be [[:en:Template:Keewatin Railway]].) Useddenim (talk) 12:02, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes and yes - thanks! 90.229.34.175 06:59, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

trackage rights

Hello and apologies if this is the wrong place to ask:

I'm trying to create a route diag for the following:

• http://lastmountainrailway.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/about-us-2.jpg
• http://bigskyrail.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/about-us-2.jpg

(the same picture in both links)

I can't find any documentation on how to depict trackage rights. I'm using "LUECKE" icons in my current attempt, but that's just pure guesswork.

Also, is there a way to signify two different rail lines perhaps by color? Both are "heavy rail", so this will not work if such must at all times remain deep red.

Feel free to have a look at my template - en:Template:Mobile Grain - any advice on how to proceed would be welcome. (I'm not asking you to do my work for me, I just want to know the standard way to proceed. Any examples would be most useful) CapnZapp (talk) 10:40, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi, there is a whole palette of icons with different colours, have a look at Category:Icons for railway descriptions/other colors. Just provide a note at the top or at the bottom of the diagram explaining what colour is used for which purposes, as in e.g. en:Template:Duckmanton Junction. YLSS (talk) 10:49, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! CapnZapp (talk) 12:05, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Any suggestions for my trackage rights question? CapnZapp (talk) 12:05, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Just use the different colors for the different trackage rights and put in a note about the meanings. Blue and green have a pretty comprehensive set of diagrams, so you shouldn't have too much trouble making a red/green/blue diagram. Vanisaac (talk) 07:54, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Restroom facilities

-	Legend Union Station Rockville

|} Hello. I was wondering how to add a svg image of unisex toilets [1] to add to maps showing major stations having these public facilities (e.g. Union Station in Washington, D.C. or Penn Station in NYC). Any help would be greatly appreciated. Jaywubba1887 (talk) 06:52, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Are you sure you want to add such an image into the diagram? If you really want to mark such things, maybe it would be enough to place this image next to the station name? Either directly or via a template, like en:Template:rint. YLSS (talk)

Greyhound Bus Lines route diagrams

Hello again. I have been trying to figure out how to creat, or at least start, route diagrams for Greyhound Bus Lines, i.e. the equivalent of Amtrak's route diagrams. Any help? Thanks in advance! P.S. I have one thing that could help: on the greyhound bus article, there's a direct link to the timetables, which are updated regularly, along with updates from time to time on schedule changes, etc. Jaywubba1887 (talk) 07:17, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Some links, please? -- Tuválkin ✉ 18:10, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Shifts

Category:Icons for railway descriptions/shift – kinda live experiment... YLSS (talk) 17:55, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Love it, very good! -- Tuválkin ✉ 18:10, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Naming of SHI4 + STRq

SHI4rq + STRq utSHI4+lq + utSTRq extSHI4g+lq SHI4lq + SHI4rq ( = SHI4lrq) extSHI4lq + extSHI4g+lq ( = extSHI4gl+lq) extSHI4+rq + extSHI4g+lq ( = extSHI4g+lrq)

moved from ru:User talk:YLSS

How should we name these combined icons? Thx. -- Sameboat - 同舟 03:12, 30 декабря 2013 (UTC)

An interesting question. I used "q" in  (SHI4rq) in the sense "rotate everything by 90° CC", so theoretically SHI4grq for junction is possible. But I think   SHI4qr would do, like  (ABZq2). YLSS (talk) 11:43, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Uploaded  (extSHI4g+lq), please check if you need revision to the SVG code. Also please suggest naming of other forking combinations. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 01:08, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Wait... shouldn't we follow the new rule of 90 degree ABZ so  (extSHI4q+l) should be renamed to (extSHI4ql) like  (ABZql)? -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 01:34, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

If direction q is →‎, then  (extSHI4q+l) is correct, but  (ABZql) should actually be  (ABZq+l)! Useddenim (talk) 02:34, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

From my point of view, both the code and the name are completely OK. With former ABZ3s, the pattern of  (STRq) +  (STRl) =  (ABZql) was more or less forced upon us by Axpde (no regrets about that; it is an equally justifiable solution, even though against the wished of the majority, so thanks to him for doing most of the work). In case of shifts, these two patterns are not equal: while  (STRl) =  (*STR+lq),  (SHI4l) ≠  (SHI4+lq). So, extSHI4g+lq would technically be the most precise name; but I do not foresee any conflicts if we settle with extSHI4q+l. YLSS (talk) 09:17, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

I will go for the SHI4g because it is parallel to KRWg and easier to memorize. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 09:54, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

So for to/from branch, should it be SHI4gl+lq or SHI4glq+lq? -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 05:52, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

SHI4gl+lq, if so. YLSS (talk) 17:02, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

HUB47–50

        I hope I haven't done anything wrong and did not occupy numbers reserved for some other HUBs...    looks OK. YLSS (talk) 13:00, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

No, there’s no rhyme nor reason to the way HUB numbers were/are assigned. Do you want to take a stab at renaming them logically? ☺ Useddenim (talk) 12:31, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

Nope! YLSS (talk) 16:02, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

Highway medians

I'm looking to make  (MROADq) versions of   (vSTRa-),  (SPLer),  (vSTR), and related icons for making diagrams of lines and stations in the median of freeways. I'm specifically wondering if people feel that the yellow median should be expanded to fill the entire middle of the parallel roadways, or whether it should be a simple 40/20 gap 20/40 to show the roadway splitting. The rail icons would just be overlaid on the highway icons from there, so this is all about whether there should be a blank gap behind the rail icons, or if the background of the rail lines should be uniformly yellow to indicate their placement in the median. Vanisaac (talk) 05:02, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Why not just use generic roads? Then you can do things such as  (STR※ v-RP2a) ,  (STR※ vRP2)  etc. with existing icons.
If you do expand the MROAD set, then please note that:
(i) many of the existing icons are poorly named;
(ii) the color should be changed (slightly) to match set red (EF161E) and set yellow (FFD702); and
(iii) the yellow stripe should stay 20px wide, centred on the red (i.e. don’t bloat it up and fill the entire middle as in  ). Useddenim (talk) 13:13, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Glad to see I'm not the only one stuck with this problem. As Useddenim has suggested, I had already attempted to do this using overlays such as  (uSTR※ vRP2) , however the set of icons related to  (vRP2) is extremely limited and leaves some things as impossible to do at the moment. For instance, there is no q version  (vRP2q), no variations of curves  (vRP2lf), or elevated versions  (hvRP2). Additionally, the  (vRP2) and  (RP4) sets aren't exactly highway descriptors and don't have sufficient junction pieces. A dedicated set of highway median pieces or an expanded version of the boulevard pieces would be extremely helpful. Lost on Belmont (talk) 14:49, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Screw it. To fully make this functional, vRP2 should probably be made it's own category. (See Category:Icons for motorway descriptions/generic/RP2/divided. Useddenim (talk) 20:36, 26 January 2014 (UTC)) These are the base set of icons I think are needed.

 (vRP2q) divided sideways

 (vRP2lf) divided curve from top to screen right

 (vRP2rf) divided curve from top to screen left

 (vRP2rg) divided curve from bottom to screen right

 (vRP2lg) divided curve from bottom to screen left

vRP2a2q  (RP2yvRP2q) start divide 2 to 4, sideways

vRP2e2q  (vRP2yRP2q) end divide 2 to 4, sideways

 (vRP2a-) start transition right to 4 divided

  (v-RP2e) end transition left to 4 divided

  (vRP2e-) end transition right to 4 divided

  (v-RP2aq) start transition top bottom to 4 divided sideways

  (vRP2a-q) start transition bottom top to 4 divided sideways

  (v-RP2eq) end transition top bottom to 4 divided sideways

  (vRP2e-q) end transition right top to 4 divided sideways

vRP2a4q  (RP4yvRP2q) start transition 4 to 4 divided sideways

vRP2e4q  (vRP2yRP4q) end transition 4 to 4 divided sideways

Granted, I don't need all of these. What I need at the moment is  (vRP2q) divided sideways,  (vRP2lf) divided curve from top to screen right, (vRP2e4q)  (vRP2yRP4q) end transition 4 to 4 divided sideways,  (vRP2rg) divided curve from bottom to screen right,  (vRP2rf) divided curve from top to screen left,  (vRP2a-) start transition right to 4 divided, and "???" divided over sideways RP4. Lost on Belmont (talk) 16:08, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! This is pretty spiffy. And I see you've already taken care of the catalog. Nice work. Lost on Belmont (talk) 23:20, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

 Done. Got a little side-tracked, but also created a few others. Useddenim (talk) 16:20, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Solid cover for elevated (h) icons

See also Talk:BSicon/Icon geometry and SVG code neatness#Transparency/masking in elevated icons (a perennial question)

hleerABZgr+r or hLEERgr+r?

hleer

I want to solve the overlapping glitch when another icon is placed under the elevated icon and details of the lower icon can be seen through the bridge area (e.g. en:Template:DLR Route diagram, the superimposition before and after West India Quay bypass)^{Fixed. Useddenim (talk) 04:45, 16 January 2014 (UTC)}. The shape kinda reminds me the HUB set initially created by me, but now I regret for the numerical presuffix. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 03:40, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

I use a MASK icon. Useddenim (talk) 04:45, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

I suggest lhMABZgr+r for that one (M for masking, lhROOT instead of hleer; File:BSicon hNULc3.svgFile:BSicon lhSTR-Rrf.svg  should be lhABZgr, sans masking). Also, I may note that overwriting masks possibly created minor issues at wikis that use #FFFFFF background for RDTs, like no.wp and it.wp (the latter explicitly rejects any proposals to start using standard BS templates). YLSS (talk) 08:04, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

I did that for consistency because some MASK is #F9F9F9 but some #FFF. As for the RDT in it.wp, since many of their maps apply Wikitable class, #F9F9F9 MASK is in fact a perfect match as in it:Ferrovia Milano-Asso#Percorso. If no.wp editor complains about the change, guess we need both versions of colors running parallel, but #FFF version should act as an alternative. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 08:38, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

Elevated icons request

Okay... So what you see in the little BS-table over there is the closest approximation I could make here in commons to begin describing what I need. If you click here and scroll down to the little one labeled "Chicago Junction Crossing" you'll see what I unsuccessfully tried to create here.

I need everything in red as an elevated version, but those elevated icons need to be able to be overlaid on top of the highway median overlays (depicted here as being below the junction) without rendering in a funky way. The a specific icon for the middle would be too specific an application, I think, to warrant creation, however some elevated icons with appropriate masks could probably do the trick nicely. Another problem arises in that some of the existing icons don't work well together and portions of their "formation" parts overlap in undesirable ways.

Thanks in advance. Lost on Belmont (talk) 18:41, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

Well, I don't think overlay versions have much chance to be re-used either, but still it was fun creating them (and even more trying to find a suitable name for them). So here you are:  (lhMABZq2+1) &  (lhdSTRq+c34). Notice also that the unused continuation had to be moved forward by 10px (otherwise there would be no place for a neat icon showing the "backside" of an elevated junction), and now hovers above the text (half of the letter "C" leads to the file description page, if clicked). If that is undesirable and if you don't mind widening the diagram by 10px, you can substitute the following:

BS6||c|hCONTgq|vRP2|O4=uSTR|O42=lhMABZq2+1|O43=xABZq2+1|exdSTRq|O5=lhdSTRq+c34|O52=ÜWc34|cd|O6=exhCONTfq

-- YLSS (talk) 15:06, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

That's perfect. Thanks! Lost on Belmont (talk) 17:53, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Renaming, please

vRP2yRP4+4: Far from the best of names, but I couldn’t figure out what it should be. Useddenim (talk) 02:32, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

I think  (RP4+4yvRP2) is a better name, even if a kind of hybrid between usual BSicon naming and the experimental system I tried to have in these road icons (according to the latter it would be rather something like RP22syRP4nw, I think.). -- Tuválkin ✉ 01:31, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

I couldn’t figure out the best place for the “+4”. Useddenim (talk) 18:44, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

File:BSicon pHST.svg & File:BSicon epHST.svg

• archived on 02:34, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
• moved from User talk:Useddenim
• This discussion pertains to a provisional design for express/limited service with a “roundel” design (), meanwhile abandoned — see file history

Hi Useddenim, just came accross your new inventions. I don't think we really need those icons for several reasons:

• most important you can't see the details at 20x20px  (epHST) looks pretty much the same as  (eBST)
• furthermore, if the facility is off use, it doesn't matter whether it was a stop with limited service, so  (eHST) will do, a stop without service (limited or full ...)
• finally we already have  (xpHST) which is pretty much the same as  (pHST), both icons showing stops with limited service, but the first one is better recognisable!

Regards a×p_de^Hello! 12:30, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

It's debatable whether  (xpHST) is more recognizable than  (pHST): it seems to be dependent on one's monitor and browser settings. Useddenim (talk) 13:59, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

You'll need a very large Monitor and a very low resolution to be able to recognize the outlook of  (pHST).

And furthermore,  (xpHST) is already introduced and used! a×p_de^Hello! 22:35, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

BSicon TUNNELa legende & BSicon TUNNELe legende

• archived on 02:34, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
• Moved from User talk:Vunz.

What is the purpose of these two new icons? They appear to serve the same purpose as PORTALf and PORTALg (except that there is a gap with the new icons). Useddenim (talk) 04:07, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

		STR + PORTALf
		tSTR
		uSTR
		utSTR + TUNNELa legende

Since the PORTALf was not in de the Category:Icons_for_railway_descriptions/legende and there was a very crappy (even in the wrong configuration)  (TUNNEL legende) I considered them not present. I think TUNNELa legende is the correct name, PORTALf fits better. Wiebevl (talk) 08:23, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, that was my bad. In the past I have been criticized for tagging icons into too many categories, so I have been concentrating on ensuring that they are listed on the appropriate Catalog of pictograms page. I used PORTAL because that was the feature name; all TUNNEL icons are also associated with a STRetch of track. If you have no objection, I will replace the usage of TUNNEL* legende with PORTAL*. Useddenim (talk) 11:50, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Allright, that makes sense. Wiebevl (talk) 11:54, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

 Done Useddenim (talk) 04:36, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Nice! Wiebevl (talk) 07:36, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Legend Outdoor track | Track in tunnel Outdoor station | Station in tunnel BHF | tBHF Station in tunnel | Outdoor station ACC & TUNNEL legende | ACC & PORTALS Station in tunnel | Outdoor station BHF+TUNNEL | BHFCC Outdoor track | Track in tunnel

Please note that the (indeed crappy, in terms of its SVG,) version of  (TUNNEL legende) was meant «to “daylight” a station on a tunnel» as said at en:Wikipedia:Route diagram template/Catalog of pictograms/others#Bridges, portals, overpasses and other formations — it being thus not a tunnel, but a “non-tunnel”. As is is depicted now, the overlay would enclose a short tunnel, instead of a short “uncovered” portion of a tunnel, as intended — the portals need to be swapped, and maybe a better name found (OBL, from de:Oberlicht?).

As for that current design of  (TUNNEL legende), of a short tunnel, I cannot see how it woould be used as an overlay, since the track needs to be partially dashed to match.

(Also, I just noticed that template BS2-2 (and O22!!) is not avaliable in commons. Also, this discussion should be centralized.)

--Tuvalkin (talk) 12:39, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

I just found  (BHFCC) and  (BHF+TUNNEL). Still, having these as overlays may be necessary, for unexpected combinations (used  (ACC) above as example)--Tuvalkin (talk) 12:56, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Turntable used as switch

File:BSicon uWSLr+r.svg

[After moving this discussion from :en, pls. compare with en:Wikipedia_talk:Route diagram template/Catalog of pictograms#Turntable used as switch to see how some BS templates in :commons are not working properly!!] --Tuvalkin (talk) 21:52, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

(Assuming this is the right place to ask advice about new icon suggestions and names, and not somewhere in Commons…)

Some railway systems, usually lightweight/lowspeed outfits, use turntables as switches (see this and this for examples; also this, which brought me here), and to symbolize them icons like  (ABZlf) are graphically misleading.

I thought of something with a disc filled with the “construction” color  80A080 , (compare in the example diagram here→) and an off-angle piece of track on it to suggest rotatability. For example sake I made an experimental icon   (DHR legende) (from de:Drehscheibe) that shows the intended pattern when overlaid on any existing BHF icons.

Comments welcome. --Tuvalkin (talk) 04:27, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

No particular comment but I don't see any reason to oppose. And I notice the uneven horizontal bars of CPICs in your map :D Fixed -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 05:48, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

I noticed that, too, some errors show only at larger sizes. Thanks for fixing! --Tuvalkin (talk) 17:15, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

The first linked photo shows a normal locomotive turntable, which has two main functions: (i) to reverse a locomotive; (ii) to direct locos into different tracks within a loco depot. Complete trains wouldn't be run through it. The second linked photo is of a wagon turntable; these were once common in goods yards for moving individual wagons about, but again a complete train wouldn't be run through it. The best example I know of where a "turntable" (or near equivalent) really was used for directing complete trains onto different routes, albeit not at full line speed, was the en:Listowel and Ballybunion Railway in Ireland; see this junction on that line. --Redrose64 (talk) 17:55, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

• The 1st image shows an "X" with a turntable at the center — too few tracks for a loco shed; it could be a switching device on an open line, which is what I need to depict with this icon. It is a table top model, anyway.
• The 2nd is a segment of a Decauville set, yes.

We know what turntables are, and they usually are not depicted in line diagrams, as details inside railyards are bundled inside a single  (DST). This new icon could be used for regular turntables in track diagrams, though, and to show accurately line end reversing points: either  (uENDEa) (driving seat at both ends, or backwards motion),  (uWSLa), or a turntable.

This curious monorail junction you found is one or the few cases of a turntable used as a switch, just like in this article (a harbour railway), which prompted me to do this.

Of course “turntable” meant in a broad sence, i.e., a segment of open line pivoting to align a consist to one of several possible tracks, usually including a reverse option, some times intended to be run through, others needing always some pivoting (as in the top red turntable in the diagram above, where trans can go without stoping through 4-2, 5-1, 2-3, and 5-3, but allows, say, 5-2, with stop and turn) — details of which probably better dealt with in text.

--Tuvalkin (talk) 17:15, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

The first image is indeed a model; but you'll notice that no matter how you position the turntable bridge, it's impossible to run straight through from one side to the other without bumping into a buffer stop. Turntables in loco depots need not direct locos into individual stalls: whilst that is true of a en:roundhouse, it's not necessarily true of a straight-through shed. The model turntable definitely doesn't have "too few tracks for a loco shed" - a cursory flick through a book like

• Lyons, E.T. (1974) [1972] An Historical Survey of Great Western Engine Sheds 1947, Headington: Oxford Publishing Co ISBN: 0 902888 16 1.

reveals many loco sheds having turntables with just one or two tracks at one side, and the merest stubs on the other, such as Westbury Template:Harv, Truro Template:Harv and Birkenhead Template:Harv. --Redrose64 (talk) 17:55, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Icon design

Question, what if the icon uses  80A080  overlappes with other icon of same color like bridge, tunnel, damm, cut? -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 06:07, 13 June 2011 (UTC) Template:Bs-map |}

Yes, I thought of that and that’s why I added so many items with this color in the example diagram at the side. I suppose that, if it gets too cluttered, details can be either discarded or presented in a less compact fashion — that’s what we do routinely when choosing, say,  (vÜWBl) over  (ÜWBol)+ (ÜWBo+r), or  (eKRZor) over 3×3 kKRZ icons tiled to show the same.

Or, alternatively, the icon design could be less “solid”, maybe adding white (as in  (DST)) and only a thin ring around in  80A080 .

--Tuvalkin (talk) 17:15, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Legend Estaleiro de obras Depósito de carvão da Corys Coaling & Co. Depósito de carvão da Blandy Brothers & Co.

The aforementioned diagram (in the flesh) with both methods used, for comparison. Useddenim (talk) 23:50, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

And after some thought, I prefer the new icon as being easier to understand. Useddenim (talk) 23:51, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

I’m glad you do, and thanks for the testing in real. Pls note that the use of  (exBST) in this diagram is very misleading, as it implies a «minor non-passenger station», and also that the user who created it (AJPValente) is not dead-set on it — on the contrary, he was the one who asked me to create a new icon for this situation. --Tuvalkin (talk) 00:58, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Note also that   (DHR legende) is a mere mask, and overimposing it on  (lBHF),  (exlBHF),  (ulBHF),  (uexlBHF),  (lBHF orange),  (lBHF violet), etc whatever is a visual hack. It probably should be deleted and replaced with filled-in single-icon images, as this overlapping is semanticly incorrect — these are not stations, but unusual switching devices. (And I just noticed it is misspelt — should be DRH, from de:Drehscheibe, not DHR.) --Tuvalkin (talk) 00:58, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

I recreated this without the need of an underlying mask:  (lDRH) (using scructure color, and white — a la  (INT) and  (DST)), and replaced it the examples above. Too bad I forgot to fix the name to DRH :-\ -- Tuválkin ✉ 04:44, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

 Done. Useddenim (talk) 13:20, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Uploaded my version of DHR/DRH. Comment please. And I don't think there's any chance to overlap DRH with bridge or damm, so I would just let it go. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 01:15, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

20px black outline, ouch! That’s my 1st attempt while playing with it locally, and I endup to upload the solid version, so I cannot say I prefer it — but I can say that the exact depiction doesn’t matter too much for me. :-) --Tuvalkin (talk) 04:43, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Icon fixes

The bridge markers in  (vTBHFu) are placed under the station, but this makes it impossible at small sizes to tell whether it is a -u or -o icon. Along the same line, is it really necessary for   (vTBHFuo) to have such a different design? Circeus (talk) 18:48, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Whether a stretch of parallel lines should be squeezed toghther to accomodate a bridge or other such item or not was apparently never set in stone. Just compare   (mvWBRÜCKE) with   (mvWBRÜCKE-uexWBRÜCKE) — there are many of such pairs, and they should be homogenized. --Tuvalkin (talk) 11:07, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

I'll try to make a list of them.Circeus (talk) 14:16, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Drawbridge icon

Moved to Talk:BSicon/Icon geometry and SVG code neatness/Drawbridges

Traverser

(moved from Talk:BSicon/New icons and icon requests#Turntable used as switch)

Question, I am looking at creating icons for traversers. But what would be the correct titles for them?

text	symbol	renaming proposal
left section - STRtl		(TRRl)
middle section - STRtb		(TRRm)
right section - STRtr		(TRRr)

Mackeral (talk) 09:30, 27 September 2012

The t suffix indicates a tunnel feature. Offhand, I'd say this more appropriately falls into the FoRMation family of icons. Useddenim (talk) 17:00, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

I would suggest renaming either to TRR (en:TRansfeR table/TRaverseR) or SBN (de:Schiebebühne). Useddenim (talk) 17:04, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

I like TRR better. There’s too many IDs starting with "S" already. -- Tuválkin ✉ 01:08, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

I worked a bit on the code and geometry of the icons, too. Now it is a 60px stroke, its center offset 120px from the top and bottom edges of the icon. It touches the side of the icon where it ends, though — I’m not so sure if that’s a good idea. -- Tuválkin ✉ 01:31, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

I added these:  (vTRRl),  (vTRRr),  (vTRRm), and  (vTRR) — and these last two is why   (STRtb) should be  (TRRm). -- Tuválkin ✉ 02:28, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Apparently we were thinking along the same lines. I've also added half-width and open pit versions. (Typically, there is only one bridge per pit, but there are a few large shops with two bridges. I believe that one such example was at London Transport's Acton Works.):  (dTRRl),  (dLTRRl),  (dTRRm),  (dLTRRm),  (dTRRr),  (dLTRRr),  (LTRRl),  (LTRRm),  (vLTRRm) &  (LTRRr). Note the slight changes:track is over (not under) the structure, and the use of white fill. Useddenim (talk) 04:37, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Anyone considered having Tuvalkin's design be -o and Useddenim's -u (assuming we're including both, that is)? I know the tracts are not technically going over/under, but as far as the icon is concerned, it fits well and is intuitive, especially since L- is best reserved to replace the LUECKE icons. One design needs to be picked between the   (STRtl) and   (dLTTRl) one, though. Circeus (talk) 20:09, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Request in canal locks: two lane, double chamber locks

I'd like to have available a BSicon with a double lane, two lock chamber canal part. Two lanes are basically  (uvSTR), a single chamber (two mitres, upward) lock is  (uvLock5). The single lane two chamber (three mitres) upward is  (uSTAIRu). A possible name could be:   (uvSTAIRu)?
Completeness:The downward version could be made too, (named   (uvSTAIRd)?) For completeness, one could add variants in colors pale blue, green, and otherstroke types (dotted).
Alternative to the whole: BSicon double lane with single mitre: showing  (uFGATEu) twice parallel, that will (less elegantly) combine with a  (uvLock5) into two-chamber lock stair. Note: I can handcode a bit of SVG and also use Inkscape, but the available icons do not allow this editing. There is a load of (wikipedia?) editors code in there, my Inkscape does not get. -DePiep (talk) 11:45, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

 Done:  (uvSTAIRg) and  (uvSTAIRf). These can be easily edited in a text editor; for all the other necessary colors, just replace "fill:#039" with the appropriate RGB value. NB the filename suffix, too: Not "up" and "down" but "gegen" and "fahr". -- Tuválkin ✉ 08:51, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! Can you point me where to look to prevent these verbose svg files with lots of (wm?) script code in it? -DePiep (talk) 10:58, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

This was left unanswered: Extraneous, overly verbose, and unparsimonious code in SVG files is not added by Wikimedia (which does not modify the files that are uploaded in a wiki, even parsable files such as XML/SVG), but they come from programs such as Inkscape. To avoid it, please use a plain text editor. More here. -- Tuválkin ✉ 08:12, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

About  (uvSTAIRf) and up/down: "fahr" is counter-intuitive here, actually wrong even. Either meaning "water flow" (basically top-down in BS maps), it is wrong (waterflow is upward), or meaning "traveling direction", that could be both directions in the locks. But I won't propose changing the icons. It's just why it took me so long, still, to get the naming. ;-) -DePiep (talk) 11:33, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

About commons svg code: done. I found User:File Upload Bot (Magnus Manske). Will look at that one. -DePiep (talk) 11:50, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Category:BSicon/New icons‎

Moved from Talk:BSicon/Categorization#Icons.

Icons

Wikipedia:Route diagram template/Catalog of pictograms explains the BSicon naming logic, and lists the most-often used root names. Admittedly there are many exceptions, but the recent trend has been for new roots to be three-letter abbreviations, and where possible bilingually English and German. (e.g. FoRMation, LeGenD(e), NULl, SPLit/SPaLten, etc.) Your new icon names are both verbose and overly-exact. Can  (uPANAMACANAL-BASINSr) only be used for a diagram of the Panama Canal? Your comment [2] implies that you think so. (And it also incorrectly has a u prefix, which would denote this colour:     .)

I haven't raised the issue of your icon naming before now, as I am not involved with Wikipedia:WikiProject UK Waterways so I can't speak to their thoughts on your contributions. However, I do have to question some of your edits, such as to  (BLq): What was your rationale for the "refinement" that made no visual difference but bloated the svg code by 700%?

Useddenim (talk) 19:11, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

(no content, just a technical q:) You Useddenim's move from Usertalk [3] I appreciate and support as serious editorship (thanks). I suggest you move this subsection to a better place, say [4] (a place I know too). -DePiep (talk) 20:09, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

crossing of 2 tunnels redux

Thanks for your suggestion. But in your example, I have problems to identify, which tunnel description belongs to which tunnel. The portals are in different height, but both belong to the row "Tunnel Füllbach". I think, track symbols don't necessarily describe the length of a building, so I would keep the actual version in the article. Thank you very much for creating the symbols! --Andre de (talk) 12:33, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

OK, here's two more suggestions. Useddenim (talk) 14:17, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Using POINTER Legend Füllbach brücke (90 m) Tunnel Füllbach (1113 m) 17,182 Tunnel Höhnberg (824 m) 16,258 Niederfüllbach (Abzw)

Using numbers (the "French" method) Legend Füllbach brücke (90 m) 1: Tunnel Füllbach (1113 m) 17,182 2: Tunnel Höhnberg (824 m) 16,258 Niederfüllbach (Abzw)

Icons (still) in specific projecs

de:Spezial:Präfixindex/File:BSicon

• 2 3 icons, both trivial to assimilate

en:Special:PrefixIndex/File:BSicon

• 4 icons: 2 trivial, 2 simple to assimilate  Done YLSS (talk) 11:09, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
  • none at present
  • en:Special:PrefixIndex/File:BScomp: 37 BScomps !!! o.O 8-S (See below) YLSS (talk) 14:42, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

ja:特別:前方一致ページ一覧/File:BSicon

• 13 RIV icons to assimilate either as WASSER or as blue/canal icons
• 12 Tokyo station icons to assimilate as legende versions of a set of SBHF-JP (several colors) icons  Done as several lDSTs. -- Tuválkin ✉ 11:28, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
• 02 other icons, both trivial to assimilate  完了 YLSS (talk) 17:10, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

ru:Служебная:PrefixIndex/File:BSicon

• 66 icons: some trivial to assimilate, others need discussion — both at naming and at geometry/semantics levels
  • 23 left: 5 esoteric, 18 (MM) were an experiment to represent the Moscow Metro map in a traditional style. YLSS (talk) 16:02, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Lets have fun! -- Tuválkin ✉ 02:40, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

“Funny” how new icons keep popping up, especially in de:wp. Didn’t everyone got the notice that Commons exists and all free media should be here instead? -- Tuválkin ✉ 11:28, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

BScomp

There are presently 37 "BScomp" icons at en.wp; for their origin, see en:Wikipedia talk:Route diagram template/Archive 2#Icon Composition. Initially, I wanted to propose deleting them as olde and unused. Now I see what a fool I am. These icons are a treasure! Such thing as en:File:BScomp xSTR.svg even have opacity = 0.4 = 1 - 0.6 that we "deduced" and re-introduced at Talk:BSicon/Colors, and these icons were created back in 2007! I really feel myself like some petty mortal scribe discovering a work of an ancient Elven sage (sorry for the Tolkienesque comment, just can't help myself). Looking in detail:

• There's a couple of icons that are just duplicates of existent BSicons: en:File:BScomp HRED.svg, en:File:BScomp HDASHED.svg, en:File:BScomp HHWY.svg, en:File:BScomp SUMMIT.svg (nearly), en:File:BScomp tSHST.svg (nearly). These can be just tagged with NowCommons, I guess. (Tagged them as duplicate, although only HRED is an exact one; let's see if it will pass... 09:45, 21 May 2013 (UTC))
• There's a couple of "legende" icons that Commons miss: en:File:BScomp nn.svg, en:File:BScomp v.svg, en:File:BScomp vv.svg. Up to transferring. (Any ideas for the name, instead of  (fSTRuu)?   (lINCgg), from INCline, or   (lABHgg), from ABHang? 09:45, 21 May 2013 (UTC))
• There are some "masks" akin to  (MASKl), but of different shapes:
  • en:File:BScomp BIG.svg, en:File:BScomp SML.svg, en:File:BScomp STR.svg, en:File:BScomp JCTlr.svg, en:File:BScomp JCTl.svg, en:File:BScomp JCTr.svg, en:File:BScomp OBJl.svg. These could be used as overlays on some coloured background to emulate icons of non-existent colours; I propose retaining and renaming them to e.g. File:BSicon MBHF.svg (I hope the M- prefix is officially unused as of now?   (MBHF) &   (uMBHF) created by 京市 can be painlessly renamed ^{(Yes. -- Tuválkin ✉ 10:37, 21 May 2013 (UTC))}).  ^{Done. Useddenim (talk) 13:45, 21 May 2013 (UTC)} Possibly a coloured equivalent of  () could be created for each colour set, so that missing icons can be readily substituted for.
  • en:File:BScomp BIGa.svg, en:File:BScomp BIGe.svg, en:File:BScomp SMLa.svg, en:File:BScomp SMLe.svg, en:File:BScomp tSTR.svg, en:File:BScomp o.svg, en:File:BScomp u.svg. These are to be used above existent icons to modify their shape. Also quite useful.
  • en:File:BScomp xBIG.svg, en:File:BScomp xSML.svg, en:File:BScomp xBIGa.svg, en:File:BScomp xBIGe.svg, en:File:BScomp xSMLa.svg, en:File:BScomp xSMLe.svg, en:File:BScomp xSTR.svg. These, at least theoretically, would produce "ex" versions out of normal icons (hard to prove until renaming). If so, a brilliant solution.
• Other part-icons intended for combining: en:File:BScomp HREDBIG.svg, en:File:BScomp REDxBIG.svg (with masking), en:File:BScomp HREDSML.svg, en:File:BScomp REDxSML.svg (with masking), en:File:BScomp HREDu.svg, en:File:BScomp RIVERl.svg, en:File:BScomp HRIVER.svg, en:File:BScomp HHWYu.svg. These are less usable, as far as I can imagine, and can be replaced by other methods of overlaying/combining, so I propose deleting them, just to escape overcomplication.

And yes, all salvaged icons should actually be redrawn. Inkscape is evil. YLSS (talk) 18:41, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Hehe, those are gems in the rough, yes. I’m usually against masks (because they force the background to be  RGB:F9F9F9 ), but cannot say some of these are not greatly done masks. As for the duplicates, people at en:wp need to mark them for deletion and have any use changed to Commons. -- Tuválkin ✉ 10:31, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

I got puzzled. The existent masks were all derived from  (dMASK), and are primarily used at no.wp and sw.wp. However, these Wikipedias use plain #FFFFFF white for the RDT template background, and thus the files are also plain white. On other Wikipedias, the difference with #F9F9F9 does show up, but as yet they have been used only inside bridges, where it isn't noticeable. Do we need separate masks for #F9F9F9 Wikipedias and for #FFFFFF ones? If not, should the aforementioned BScomps be re-uploaded with #F9F9F9 or not? YLSS (talk) 12:52, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

In theory, separating white and offwhite masks would be the way to go, in a purely classificative approach. However, it would be best for the BSicon project if users of the unusual version accept to change it (in the icons and in the templates, maybe also in some diagrams) from #F9F9F9 to #FFFFFF, in my opinion. -- Tuválkin ✉ 14:02, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

I don't really understand what you mean... So which colour, in your opinion, should have (a)  (MASKl) and (b) en:File:BScomp BIG.svg : #F9F9F9 or #FFFFFF?   (lENDEa mask), incidentally, was repainted by Useddenim from #FFFFFF to #F9F9F9. YLSS (talk) 23:59, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

I mean that they should all be #F9F9F9, but also that users who used them thus far as #FFFFFF should asked/heard, or at least warned. -- Tuválkin ✉ 01:35, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Hmm... I've managed to replace their usage in a couple of cases, but in other places it would be really hard to substitute them... A different shade will really show up, and I doubt that those Wikipedias would consider changing the background of their templates just because of a bunch of icons. And indeed, they have a right to use a different layout; if something goes wrong, that will be their difficulties. It the present case, however, since for the most part the icons are their innovation, I would say we should let them stand as is - but rename them to e.g.   (MASKq white). The only mask presently employed in kosher Wikipedias is  (MASKm) (the name should then be occupied by #F9F9F9 mask.) YLSS (talk) 19:28, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

And why did you add all those bridges to the mask category? They seem to stand out, even taken together with BScomps... YLSS (talk) 23:59, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Icons including both masked areas and something else (with or without track lines) should be categorized as such, but I agree that they dont belong in the same category as icons which are only made from mask surfaces and background. Maybe have those bridges in a subcat ...formation/mask etc. -- Tuválkin ✉ 01:35, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

More numbers wanted

Why does num4m exist only? I need more numbers to mark platforms. 江漢思歸客 (talk) 10:25, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Why? Because the gnomes who create these icons are lazy, that’s why. Work, gnomes!! (I have plans for drastic improvement and expansion of this section, but now I think I’ll postpone it. Just because.) -- Tuválkin ✉ 10:45, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Would be nice if you could tell the gnomes to use the same font aswell... ;) As it is just now I find that we uses 3-4 different fonts for the text icons. --Civilspanaren (talk) 21:39, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

That's one of the things that needs to be revamped. Not so much a matter of fonts per se, but something called hinting, that has to do with low resulution rendering of vectorsets. I’ll put some ideas out ASAP, and once they cleared from discussion we can go dully on adding all necessary icons. -- Tuválkin ✉ 22:00, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

HBK

Moved to Talk:BSicon/Icon geometry and SVG code neatness/Drawbridges

Limited Service Line

To show a limited service line, would a double striped line work?  (rSTR)  (rSTRrf)  (rSTRlf)  (rSTRrg)  (rSTRlg) Hopefully will stop people using tunnel icons as limited service. User:Deonyi 15:11, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Possibly. But maybe we should use the p prefix then, like  (upBHF) etc? YLSS (talk) 18:46, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

I did think of that but I realised, isn't p express not stopping?User:Deonyi 15:11, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps we need to eliminate the p prefix and replace it with a new root, such as PHF (for Partial/partiell Bahnhof). Useddenim (talk) 16:12, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

There is also  (pHST)}. Useddenim (talk) 16:14, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps p could be reclassed as 'Limited or Restricted Service'. This makes sense regarding the original 'p' and 'xp' icons and also the restricted line ones. A root would be a bit overkill and we would need three new roots. One for stations, one for halts/stops and one for track.Deonyi 09:19, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

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Legend 0.0 km Flinders Street (FSS) Zone 1 Craigieburn line 5.6 km Newmarket (NKT) Zone 1 Craigieburn line 7.0 km Showgrounds (SGS) Zone 1 7.8 km Flemington Racecourse (RCE) Zone 1

I added:  (rBHF) (rHST) (rKBHFa) (rKBHFe)  (rABZrf).Deonyi 12:44, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Well, why not. I would only recommend using #F9F9F9 background for the middle part (so that underlying track won't show up if overlaying). And the last name makes me uneasy - we should be able to differentiate between a File:BSicon rSTRrf.svg  vs.   vs. File:BSicon rSTRrf.svg  vs.  (ABZrf). YLSS (talk) 18:00, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Yes,   (rABZrf) is definitely an   (m) icon. And I think that transparent background is a good idea, in that it will allow more versatility; e.g. File:BSicon rSTRrf.svg  etc. Useddenim (talk) 20:38, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Quite an original idea, I like it! Still, how would you propose to handle  ? That would require a   (STR F9F9F9), or  (STR white)... YLSS (talk) 07:07, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Possibly would suggest using STR white or do   instead.Deonyi 07:27, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

WASSER Continuation Heads

As an experiment, I decided to test some WASSER CONTs.  (WCONTr),  (WCONTl),  (WCONTr1) and  (WCONTl1). I think they help add clarity to the diagram by telling the reader that the river or stream actually continues and that it is not a lazy editor forgetting to add in arrows. Example usage can be seen here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Deonyi/sandbox Deonyi 11:00, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Good idea. I prefer the bigger arrowheads. -- Tuválkin ✉ 11:59, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Of course, there would most likely be a variant that uses one icon only, to remove the need to expand BS templates to BS3.User:Deonyi 12:41, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Since we are dealing with physical streams and not virtual lines here, i.e. they have a constant direction of flow, maybe we should rather use arrows pointing to the same direction? Like   (uCONT-r) +  (uCONTl)? YLSS (talk) 15:27, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Somethins like these:  (WCONTra) or  (WCONTla)?'' Actually, I think arrows would be fine. Adding directional arrows to longer rivers in a diagram would work but I do not think for a simply bridge, it is needed.User:Deonyi 08:39, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Parallel rivers?

Moved from User talk:Vanisaac

The creation of missing and new icons is appreciated, I'm not sure of the usefulness of  (vWASSER) and  (vWASSERq). While it is not uncommon for canals to parallel rivers (  etc.), I can't think of where parallel rivers would occur. Useddenim (talk) 01:52, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

I was thinking in terms of a multi-cell uISLAND, when you have crossings over an island and the watercourses on both sides. You'd want to have vWASSER, overlaid with BRÜCKE. I'm still trying to figure out how to make a watercourse equivalent to vSTRa/vSTRe, but that was the original idea anyway. I was also thinking of times when you have two forks in a river that move their intersection downstream below a crossing or border. An editor could very well want to indicate that the two forks are still separate, but that they occupy a joint floodplain. I do agree that a river/canal pairing is probably a very good idea as well. To be honest, a part of my impetus was to examine and adapt the SVG code for watercourses, so canal icons weren't on my mind at the time. Vanisaac (talk) 02:31, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Legend WASSER+1 WSPLa vWASSER|O=BRIDGEvq WSPLe WASSERrf

Oh, you mean like this? Useddenim (talk) 04:33, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Yup. And you are thinking along the lines of this, right? Vanisaac (talk) 05:39, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Legend WumvSTRa uvWASSER-STR uvWSHI2l-SHI2r uvSTR-WASSER uWmvSTRe uWmvSTRa uvSHI2l-WSHI2r WumvSTRe

This brings three questions.

1. Should we use the "m" prefix for e.g.  (vWSTR-uSTR)? Or to the hell with it, when there are two colour-prefixes (u & W), and only use it for prefix-less bahn-red?
2. Should splits like  (uWmvSTRa) use gradient transition like other icons in Category:Icons for railway descriptions/set mixed/transition/u & water?
3. Erm, how do you imagine  (uWmvÜWBl) IRL? Is that a canal passing over a stream (in which case some portals should be added), or is it a stream that crosses a constant level canal at the same altitude (in which case I would favour a gradient transition), or is it a remnant of a stream that flows into the canal at one side and is replenished e.g. from a weir at the other (in which case a combination of both solutions could possibly do)?

-- YLSS (talk) 18:54, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

1. I don't know. The naming scheme is still unintuitive to me, so I just name things by analogy and publicize so that if I get something wrong, it gets noticed.
2. I didn't think you'd use  (uWmvSTRa) if it were no longer navigable beyond that point. So unless you can think of a usage scenario where that would be the end of the shipping lane, I don't see that you'd want a gradient.
3. I was thinking of places where the canal uses a navigable stretch of river to provide a crossover for the adjacent canal. Sometimes this is done with a bridge over the waterway, but often, it's just a pool in the river. Vanisaac (talk) 22:39, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

1. I thought it had been decided that the m prefix was only for  regular  + another colour.
2. I think a transition would look better from an æsthetic point of view. Useddenim (talk) 12:17, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
3. Use  (uDOCKS),  (ulBHF) or  (ulHST) for pools. Useddenim (talk) 01:02, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

I think we may want to look at the names for  (uWmvÜWBl) and  (WumvÜWBl). Looking through the rest of the RDT catalog, I'm seeing that the  (vÜWBl) seems to be for crossovers by bridge. The simple crossovers are just  (vÜWB). Am I reading this correctly? Vanisaac (talk) 06:51, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Hesitantly, “yes”. (But I can't find a translation for “Überwerfungsbauwerk” to determine what the original root means.) The l and r suffixes are to simply indicate which line is “superior” i.e. crossing above the other. However, I'm not sure that two different modes should be using the ÜWB root. Useddenim (talk) 12:17, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

 (uemvÜWBl) and  (uxmvÜWBl). There is precedent. Vanisaac (talk) 16:20, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

"Überwerfungsbauwerk" is the German term for "flying junction" or "crossover". --U-Bahnfreund (talk) 15:12, 22 September 2014 (UTC)