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Golan Heights

As the map should reflect de facto situations to achieve NPOV, shouldn't the Golan Heights be part of Israel? Alt0160 (talk) 16:18, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

@Alt0160: Ideally, yes. If you (or someone else) is willing to quickly whip out an outline for the area, this could definitely be added. Cherkash (talk) 00:10, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

States and provinces

I would like to update en:File:World_Speed_Limits.svg to be based on this map. However this requires the States and Provinces of United States, Canada and Australia. Would this be suitable within this file? I would use the same technique that has been used for say, Christmas Island as a subnational area of Australia. Alex Sims (talk) 02:27, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

@Alex Sims: You may be better off using this one as a base map for your purpose: File:Blank Map World Secondary Political Divisions.svg. Cherkash (talk) 03:09, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

Taiwan as China...

Someone has made Taiwan a part of China while coloring China. KasimMejia (talk) 11:40, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

This is in line with other similar territories. It's reflected in the documentation for this map. Cherkash (talk) 16:00, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

Invalid SVG

Since the edit by User:Χ the SVG is now invalid. I don't know enough SVG to fix it. --betseg|g 10:08, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

@Betseg: I've self-reverted. I'll redo the edit if I can confirm it is valid. Thanks for the information. χ (talk) 13:35, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

Corrections and proposals

I suggest the following corrections:

  • Niue is east of 170°W, the meridian at the edge of the map, so it should be on the left side of the map. The island identified as Niue on the map is actually Vavaʻu, part of Tonga. This was a mistake in the original CIA map on which this map was based. The current CIA map shows it correctly.
  • The map currently identifies the Cook Islands as two islands, neither of which is part of its territory. The northern one is the Rose Atoll, part of American Samoa. The southern one is the Beveridge Reef, which is submerged most of the time and closer to Niue. Both are tiny and uninhabited, so they shouldn't be shown at all. The island representing the Cook Islands should be added as Rarotonga, the largest and most populous one, and the locator circle should be moved to it.
  • Move the circle of French Polynesia to Tahiti, the largest and most populous island in the group.
  • There is no real island in the position of the Pitcairn Islands currently shown on the map. These islands are more to the west, closer to French Polynesia. The island and circle representing the group should be Pitcairn, the only inhabited one, or Henderson, the largest by area.
  • The tiny eastern tip of Russia, containing Uelen and Naukan, east of 170°W and thus on the left of the map (right at the edge), is shown as part of the US. It should be shown as part of Russia.
  • Move Nosy Be to its correct position closer to Madagascar. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Heitordp (talk • contribs) 02:53, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

I also propose other changes:

I can make these corrections, and some of the other proposed changes if other users agree. Heitordp (talk) 04:36, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Aside from the Russia one I have not verified the corrections, but they sound beneficial. I don't know whether new small islands should be added, but certainly the circles can be moved.
On the proposals
  • I would agree with showing some of the Western Sahara as part of Morocco, but it would be incorrect to show the entire Western Sahara as part of Morocco by default as they have never controlled some of it. It may be reasonable to show the line of control, which some maps do. However while I agree with this change, it would be going against the norm in the majority of maps I've seen.
  • Azad Kashmir and Gilgit-Baltistan have a reasonably unique status, they have not been fully annexed by Pakistan. I see no issue with leaving the shape in the file for flexibility.
  • I'm not sure about coding in optional lines. To do that for every case would greatly increase map size without significantly increasing utility, given the scale of the map. I would agree with the line of actual control appearing by default however.
  • I've added an Akrotiri and Dhekelia circle into maps myself when needed, so I wouldn't be opposed to that or potentially a tweaking of the Cyprus shape for accuracy. I could understand a Clipperton circle per the existence of SSGI and Mayotte circles, and a similar argument might apply for the uninhabited Australian islands and American islands. However, I would not include one for Jan Mayen, Ascension, and Tristan da Cunha, as they are islands without special status within their higher-level polities compared to other entities around the world. I would similarly if slightly less hesistant to include one for Åland.
  • For names I don't have strong feelings either way, although considering it now common alternative names might be worth including in hidden notes for ease of searching while editing.
Chipmunkdavis (talk) 10:26, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
  • Changes to the borders are contentious and extremely difficult to deal with, but if necessary, they should be examined on a case-by-case basis and at the very least be in line with how they are displayed on the major maps: the UN map, the CIA map and ideally the maps of the continental unions such as the EU (for the EU countries) and the AU (for the African countries).
  • For the official names, I'm not opposed to the change, but, to be honest, I like the way it's done at present, such as: "Venezuela, Bolivarian Republic of".
M.Bitton (talk) 13:50, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
Chipmunkdavis, M.Bitton: Thank you for your comments. To avoid controversy I'll leave my proposals aside and do only the corrections about the island positions and the tip of Russia. These can be objectively verified. Later, I might try do make a map with configurable borders, allowing the user to choose how to display each disputed area. If it works and it's not too large I can upload it as a separate file. Heitordp (talk) 06:16, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
Heitordp can you check Uelen? I was going through adding some names, and it looks like that change didn't make it into the file, if I understood the initial proposal. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 13:25, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
M.Bitton: It's there, the ID is path3798. It was grouped with the US before, now it's with Russia. It's a very small area right on the meridian on the left, near Alaska. You should see it if you color Russia with a strong color and zoom in. The other area split by the meridian, below it, is St. Lawrence Island, which was already correct as part of the US. Heitordp (talk) 14:44, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
Found it, thanks. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 15:05, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

I made a world map with configurable borders. The beginning of the SVG code has many options for displaying disputed areas, for example including Crimea in Russia, Ukraine or as a separate territory. I added all disputed areas that I could think of that are visible in this scale, especially in Kashmir and Antarctica. With this flexibility I hope to avoid political discussions and satisfy any map purpose or user preference.

I also made other changes. All borders are drawn separately from their areas, so the border thickness can be increased without erasing small islands and coastal details. Individual borders can also be colored or styled as desired. I reduced the size of circles for dependent territories for a better fit, and added circles for more territories, which can be enabled as desired. For jurisdictions without ISO codes, I used mostly their names such as .abkhazia, which I find easier to remember than custom two-letter codes starting with x. I also used the display and visibility properties instead of opacity, so the titles of hidden objects are not displayed when the mouse is over them. Even with all these options, the file size is less than 1MB because I rounded all numbers to two decimals and used mostly straight segments.

Comments are welcome. If desirable, I can implement some of these changes in the current map. Heitordp (talk) 18:44, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

@Heitordp: The Western Sahara territory looks nothing like what the average reader who's familiar with the the UN map, the CIA map, the AU map, etc. would expect to see. M.Bitton (talk) 19:54, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
@M.Bitton: The whole point of my map is to serve as a template for users to choose however they want to display each area when making a new map. In the beginning of the SVG code, you can easily change two variables to display Western Sahara in four different ways: with the straight border, the berm, both, or neither; and color each area differently if desired. You can also change the color or thickness of any individual border, for example to show that it's disputed. The initial setting is only a suggestion based on the actual control of each area and is not meant to be a standard. Heitordp (talk) 20:28, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
@Heitordp: Serious Maps are usually drawn according to certain rigid criteria. If the the whole point of this map is to allow editors to draw the world according to their imagination, then you might as well make every border configurable and let them have fun. M.Bitton (talk) 20:39, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
@M.Bitton: The current File:BlankMap-World.svg already allows the user to choose how to display several disputed areas. The section on territorial disputes in the documentation above clearly says: "It is left to the user to decide how to color them, although each by default is shown belonging to the country that maintains actual (de facto) administrative control over the territory"; "More territories like this should be added to the map". I was following that direction. Don't be ridiculous, the territories that I added are all real border disputes, not my imagination.
There are no "rigid criteria" on how to show border disputes. For example, the UN and CIA maps that you mentioned show both borders between Egypt and Sudan; the UN shows the Golan Heights as part of Syria, the CIA shows it as part of Israel; the UN shows the three main disputed parts of Kashmir, the CIA shows only one. Here in Wikipedia you can also find maps where Crimea is shown as part of Russia or Ukraine, and Taiwan as part of China or separate. It depends on the purpose of the map. Heitordp (talk) 21:35, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
@Heitordp: All of those maps agree on how to show the Western Sahara territory, so does the AU. Question is, why don't you follow their example? M.Bitton (talk) 21:40, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
@M.Bitton: Fine. I was trying to follow the documentation above showing all areas based on actual control, but I can change it to reflect the other maps. How do you think we should display the other disputed areas? In particular, there seems to be some disagreement on Bir Tawil, Halayib Triangle, Kafia Kingi, Ilemi Triangle, Golan Heights and Siachen Glacier. Heitordp (talk) 22:12, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
@Heitordp: I wish I knew. Details such as these are kept me from uploading a map that I have been working on. That being said, the situation might be different for you since you intend on showing configurable borders. One possible solution would be to allow the user to chose between the UN and the CIA maps. M.Bitton (talk) 22:40, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
@Heitordp: I think it's actually fine to have configurable borders for those disputed areas you mentioned. Some of them may be too small for the whole world map. But adding a few others you mentioned is going to be in the spirit of this map. Cherkash (talk) 03:22, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
@Heitordp: Similarly both the UN and CIA maps agree on showing Crimea as part of Ukraine (same as pretty much every other government in the world not recognising the Russian military invasion into Ukraine). Why not using it as a default?--Riwnodennyk (talk) 13:12, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
@Riwnodennyk: World map configurable.svg is a template for making new maps and it has options to easily control how each disputed area is shown. Currently the default shows every disputed area separately, to be neutral and to illustrate all possible options in the file. I don't mind using a different default, but in this case we should decide on a standard for the whole map for consistency. I suggest selecting a list of reference maps and making a default that reflects all of them. For example, both the UN and CIA maps show Crimea as part of Ukraine, and Western Sahara as one territory separate from Morocco, so we can show these territories this way in the default. But the UN and CIA maps show Kashmir and the Golan Heights differently, so we can show these territories separately in the default. Is that a good idea? Should we use more reference maps in addition to the UN and CIA? Heitordp (talk) 15:40, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Crimea

Crimea now is included to the map as Russian territory, disregarding that political status and international recognition in the world by vast majority of countries is pro-Ukrainian. Here comes the question:

  1. Why here it is Russian by default
  2. Why Wikipedia is doing its own map of recognition policy, following pro-Russian minority? 176.241.129.239 15:43, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

This is covered in /Documentation#Territorial disputes. Cherkash (talk) 19:56, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

European Union as a single entity

I think it should be possible to display the European Union as a single entity, without showing the borders between the member states. It could be done like Western Sahara, which can be shown either with or without the line of control.

Many maps already show the EU like this, including the one shown in the infobox of the English Wikipedia article about the European Union. The articles about other organizations, like the African Union for example, show the member states.

This is common in bilateral maps of the European Union like this one, but not in multilateral maps that SHOULD show it as a single entity like this one. The map (based on BlankMap-World.svg) shows the free trade agreements of different countries with the EU, not with its member states, its description even says the EU is colored blue, not the member states, but the member states are shown anyway. Adding this option would significantly improve maps like this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brainiac242 (talk • contribs) 04:20, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

I was actually planning to request this, when I saw the request of Brainiac. I make regularly maps showing the status of ratification of treaties, and in more and more the EU is a party (sometimes together with some of its member states), but often also only the EU in areas where it has exclusive competence. Having the option to show and colour the EU as a single "country" (without borders inbetween) would be very helpful, but I suppose it takes lots of work to include? L.tak (talk) 23:43, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Kosovo

I know that Kosovo is a disputed country, but it still acts as a country with relations, has full sovereignty over it’s land, and acts as a fully functional nation. I do not want to get political, but I believe it should be on this map. If Kosovo doesn’t deserve to be on this map, then why should Western Sahara be it’s own country? HERMIT100 (talk) 20:15, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Kosovo is on this map, it can be manipulated using the path id "xk". Chipmunkdavis (talk) 03:09, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
This is what I would term "a right question but asked wrong way". Because the issue is actually the following: if WS is indeed "de facto part of Morocco", why it is shown as independent by default? That runs contrary to both #Disputed sovereignty and #Territorial disputes. Bests, --Seryo93 (talk) 17:29, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
WS is shown as what it is (the largest Non-Self-Governing Territory on the UN's list of non-self-governing territories, which also happens to be still "de jure part of Spain"). Kosovo's case is better compared to SADR, which can also be manipulated using its own id "xz". M.Bitton (talk) 17:39, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Unclear comment in code

@Newfraferz87: I noticed with your edit on 1 March 2020 you left a comment in the code at the very top of the file stating "Done up to row 1708". Is this something you intentionally left in the code to let other people know about something, or is it something that you added temporarily and forgot to take out at a later time?--Jamesy0627144 (talk) 19:31, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

@Jamesy0627144: Yea it was a WIP code I left behind. Feel free to remove it.   ~ Newfitz Yo! 03:20, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

DVB-T2 in Syria

{{Edit request}}

The map of Syria should be in blue since Syria uses the DVB-T2 DTT system. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ayrot87 (talk • contribs) 18:23, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

@Ayrot87: This is a blank world map. I don’t know on which map do you want to mark Syria’s DTT system, but certainly not on this. —Tacsipacsi (talk) 21:11, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

DTT map.

should update or modify the DTT map. Here I leave the updated link.

https://dvb.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/dtt_system_choice_042021.png Ayrot87 (talk) 15:55, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

@Ayrot87: As already mentioned in the section directly above, your edit requests don't apply to this map. This is a blank world map. If you meant to ask for creation of a new map based on this map, then you could do this yourself! Just read the instructions, and then download this map and edit the file with a text editor on your local computer (in the beginning of the SVG source code there is section where your custom colorings can be easily defined). Enjoy the process, it's very easy! Cherkash (talk) 22:45, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

Phú Quốc Island (6044) should be grouped with Vietnam, not Cambodia.

Hi there, I just spotted a small but considerable mistake related to this map, and as it is related to the authentic sovereignty of the countries, I suggest that it should be fixed as soon as possible!
The Phú Quốc Island (path6044) is an island belonging to Vietnam and is not being a disputed object. HOWEVER, I realized it is mistakenly grouped with Cambodia in the file and making many derivations from this map wrongly coloring this Vietnamese island with the color of Cambodia. Please re-group this island with Vietnam for better accuracy and respect the nations' sovereignty. And I expect that this should be changed to all of the variants of Wiki's blank map, also

--Hwi.padam (talk) 23:38, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

 Not done @Hwi.padam: Về việc này, bạn cần yêu cầu mở khoá ở COM:ANP. Các kỹ thuật viên bản mẫu, như tôi, có thể sửa và tải đè hình, nhưng không thể can thiệp vào việc cập nhật tập tin. Ngoài ra, nếu tôi không bị mù màu thì cả bản đồ này có màu xám. NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh 09:13, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
Vâng, đúng là cái map này chỉ có 1 màu xám, NHƯNG Phú Quốc lại bị gộp chung vào nhóm object của lãnh thổ Campuchia trong cái file SVG. Khi người chỉnh sửa sử dụng map nhưng tô màu hay bê cái lãnh thổ Campuchia đi chỗ khác thì PQ cũng bị tô theo Campuchia hoặc bị bê theo thay vì ở lại với lãnh thổ Việt Nam (link ảnh chụp màn hình: [1]). Về cơ bản, đây là 1 vấn đề về mặt kỹ thuật, nhưng trên rất nhiều map derived từ template thì Phú Quốc đã bị tô màu chung với Campuchia và đây là 1 cái lỗi cực kỳ tai hại khi nói về vấn đề chủ quyền. Thôi thì cũng cảm ơn bạn đã đề xuất hướng đi cho mình là mở khóa COM:ANP gì ấy, mình sẽ cố gắng khắc phục vấn đề này. Hwi.padam (talk) 15:47, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Add attribution for new derived map

{{Edit request}} - Could you please add File:F-16 Operators.svg to the list of derived works? Gusfriend (talk) 21:36, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

✓ Done in Special:Diff/637937980. --TKsdik8900 (talk) 00:40, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
Thanks. Can you also add File:ScanEagle_operators.svg to the list of derived works? Gusfriend (talk) 05:11, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
Neither of those maps is a derivative of this map. They are the same map with different colours (just like thousands of others that use a tweaked version of this map). M.Bitton (talk) 01:23, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
In which case where should it be recorded? There seem to be a number of maps like that under the list of "derived maps" on the information page? I want to have it recorded somewhere so that if something changes in terms of country borders than it is easy to determine what maps need to be updated. Gusfriend (talk) 07:27, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
Most of the maps that are listed as derivatives shouldn't be there (they simply slipped through the cracks, just like yours did). With regard to the borders: while the base map has some built-in flexibility to allow editors to display them in any way they want (including in an unencyclopedic and/or controversial manner), any changes that are made to it are irrelevant to the maps that use it for its intended purpose, i.e., as a customizable map, rather than a source. M.Bitton (talk) 21:58, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

remove Aral Sea?

Like Lake Chad, which we've removed, Aral Sea is intermittent and smaller than a score of lakes that are too small for us to show, including Issyk-Kul in Central Asia. For consistency, it should be removed; that would also save us the problem of it being the wrong shape most years. Kwamikagami (talk) 08:45, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

We didn't "remove Lake Chad", - I believe it just wasn't on the original CIA map. As for which lakes to add/keep/remove, would you care to outline a consistent approach worldwide instead of a one-off applied to Aral Sea? Cherkash (talk) 00:37, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Egypt-Sudan border (Halaib Triangle) should be corrected

Knowing that this map is meant to be accurate to the current geopolitical situation, it is puzzling that the Halaib triangle, that on Wikipedia is listed as being administered by Egypt, is shown on this map as being administered by Sudan. The straight(-ish) border claimed by Egypt should be present on this map, and the border claimed by Sudan should be hidden by default. I find it peculiar that for so many years the less accurate border has been shown when the CIA maps that this file originates from show the territory as claimed by Egypt (although it shows a dashed border for the Sudanese claim and highlights this as the de facto border, which Wikipedia does not agree with) and that nobody has really pointed this out before (except maybe once in the Archives which was not addressed). AstroVulpes (talk) 18:16, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

Invalid SVG

foreignObject xml tag located above Bolivia causes WikiCommons to reject maps derivative of this one on upload. Deleting the tag and contents solved the issue with no apparent downside. Korakys (talk) 11:17, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Russia-Ukraine update

{{Edit request}} Russia's annexation of four Ukrainian oblasts is unrecognized. Should the map be updated anyway? 27 is the best number (talk) 21:30, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

We should not update the map given the claims are vague and more importantly they're part of a literally ongoing war. A map update would be better considered for a stable situation. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 10:57, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
I agree. Drmccreedy (talk) 15:39, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
Well, how come Crimea is shaded along with .ru? Jay Coop · Talk · Contributions 08:28, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
Because it's relatively stable not vague and not from a current war? Chipmunkdavis (talk) 15:25, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
Crimea has been the subject of an ongoing conflict for nearly nine years. Jay Coop · Talk · Contributions 18:18, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
And Japan and Russia are still negotiating their World War II peace treaty, however at some point a conflict becomes stable enough to map. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 01:35, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
The conflict is not stable in Crimea. There have been strikes against it to the extent possible given its distance from UA-controlled territory. It is no more stable than, say, the eastern parts of the so-called LPR, which is also included as part of Ukraine on the map. Yawkat (talk) 16:23, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Bouvet Island

Why is (the Norwegian) Bouvet island not included? It has an ISO 3166 code. If the logic is "it's uninhabited", then how come the British Indian Ocean Territory, (the British) South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands, and the (Australian Heard Island and McDonald Islands) are included?

XA1dUXvugi (talk) 20:02, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

New map

{{Edit request}} Hi, could someone please add File:Use of School Uniforms by Country.svg to the list of deviated works? Thx Killarnee (talk) 23:24, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

✓ Done. Jonesey95 (talk) 15:08, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Only Undisputed territory of Morocco

Is there a code for only the Undisputed territory of Morocco (not including West Sahara). Like the dark-green part of this map: ?

.ma includes West Sahara

.eh only shows West Sahara Daniel Maak (talk) 15:24, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Doesn't look like it, but the .eh shape should always take priority and cover up the parts of .ma that overlap it. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 01:19, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
The CSS selector .ma:not(.eh) matches only the undisputed territory. —Tacsipacsi (talk) 10:17, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
Thanks @Tacsipacsi! I think it would be good if someone adds this to the documentation. Daniel Maak (talk) 15:24, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
Oh, I just realized that this does not work properly. I tested it at Test.svg; look at the second version at 15:50, 12 June 2023 (UTC) where I left out .ma:not(.eh) and everything looks right. But the version of 15:52 where I included .ma:not(.eh) no country is colored, why? and is this fixable?
15:50, 12 June 2023 (UTC):
.az, .au, .bg, .gr, .it, .ke, .mx, .pe, .ro, .zm, .sk, .si, .td, .us, .pr, .tm
{
fill: #0b60d4;
}
15:52, 12 June 2023 (UTC):
.az, .au, .bg, .gr, .it, .ke, .lt,.ma:not(.eh), .mx, .pe, .ro, .zm, .sk, .si, .td, .us, .pr, .tm
{
fill: #0b60d4;
}
Daniel Maak (talk) 16:07, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
Interesting. If I open the file in Firefox, the countries are highlighted, including Morocco but not West Sahara. The thumbnail, however, doesn’t highlight anything. So it looks like the thumbnail generation software is buggy, maybe it doesn’t support :not()? (Or maybe Firefox is buggy, and it allows :not() even though it shouldn’t in SVGs?) —Tacsipacsi (talk) 07:05, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
@Daniel Maak: If you want to have more control over exactly which areas are included as part of each country, perhaps you should try using File:World map configurable.svg instead. In that map you can specify wether or not Western Sahara is coloured separately from Morocco. Write .eh1 { display:none } to have .ma include Western Sahara, and .eh1 { display:yes } to have them be independent from each other. Brainiac242 (talk) 20:59, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

LGBT+ map update

I am not asking for changes to File:BlankMap-World.svg, but how can I create and edit in regional territories (such as Aceh) that will fit perfectly with the map, without affecting the original code?

This is because I am using BlankMap-World.svg as a base for a text editable version of File:World laws pertaining to homosexual relationships and expression.svg. --Minoa (talk) 02:38, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

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