Category talk:Crew Dragon
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Names for categories on individual spacecraft[edit]
I'd like to have some sort of consensus on what to name the various categories on various individual spacecraft. The categories on Apollo CSM and Apollo LM spacecraft strictly use their serial numbers with no disambiguation or use of formal names; i.e. "CSM-107", "LM-5". The categories on Orion spacecraft use serial numbers with disambiguation; i.e. "Orion 002". The categories on Crew Dragon and Boeing Starliner spacecraft use a mix of serial numbers with disambiguation and formal names with disambiguation, i.e. "Crew Dragon C201", "Crew Dragon Endeavour", "Boeing Starliner Spacecraft 2", "Boeing Starliner Calypso". I'd like to propose four different ways we could go about creating some sort of consistency with these category names;
Option | Description | Examples | ||||
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Apollo CSM | Apollo LM | Orion | Crew Dragon | Boeing Starliner | ||
Option A | Serial number only | "CSM-107" | "LM-5" | "002" | "C206" | "Spacecraft 3" |
Option B | Spacecraft class and serial number | "Apollo CSM-107" | "Apollo LM-5" | "Orion 002" | "Crew Dragon C206" | "Boeing Starliner Spacecraft 3" |
Option C | Spacecraft class and formal name, serial number instead when there is none | "Apollo CSM Columbia" | "Apollo LM Eagle" | "Orion 002" | "Crew Dragon Endeavour" | "Boeing Starliner Calypso" |
Option D | Spacecraft class, serial number, and formal name | "Apollo CSM-107 Columbia" | "Apollo LM-5 Eagle" | "Orion 002" | "Crew Dragon C206 Endeavour" | "Boeing Starliner Spacecraft 3 Calypso" |
I personally would like to see either option B or D, since it would be nice to have the serial number in the title, while at the same time being able to distinguish the spacecraft class the vehicle is of, though I can see a case for the spacecraft's formal names to be included in the title as well; a complete replacement of the serial number with the formal name, however, is something I disagree with. Be sure to discuss and give your opinions below! – PhilipTerryGraham (talk) 17:14, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
- I’m inclined to support option D, as it is the most descriptive. Garuda28 (talk) 17:47, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
For Starliner, can't it be "CST-100 Starliner Calypso" (i.e. without "Boeing" in the name)? So the new names would be..- A Spacecraft 3
- B CST-100 Starliner 3
- C CST-100 Starliner Calypso
D CST-100 Starliner Spacecraft 3 Calypsostriked per PhilipTerryGraham's reply.OkayKenji (talk) 19:55, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
- Either way I can confidentiality say I am against option A. OkayKenji (talk) 19:15, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
- @OkayKenji: I've seen it referred to as "Boeing Starliner" way, way, way more often than "CST-100 Starliner", so that's why it's been referred to as that here. If anything we can refer to it as "Boeing CST-100 Starliner" as a compromise like we do in the Wikipedia article's title, if we really must use the lesser-used "CST-100" part of the name. – PhilipTerryGraham (talk) 19:49, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
- Support Option C as it is a good compromise between concision and precision. --Soumya-8974 talk contribs subpages 18:23, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
- Support Option D as best descriptive and useful for users at-a-glance. Though I admit I really hate the "Spacecraft 3" for Starliner. Feels weird. — Huntster (t @ c) 22:29, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
I admit I really hate the "Spacecraft 3" for Starliner.
- This is one of the reasons I prefer Option C. 😀 --Soumya-8974 talk contribs subpages 09:49, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Huntster: Admittedly, yeah, the way Boeing go about labelling their spacecraft is pretty weird; "Spacecraft 1", "Spacecraft 2", "Spacecraft 3". However, it's is the closest thing we have to actual serial numbers like the Crew Dragons do, so we have to put up with it for now, I suppose. – PhilipTerryGraham (talk) 11:40, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, it's a naming scheme as unimaginative as the company building them! ;) — Huntster (t @ c) 11:48, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Huntster: Admittedly, yeah, the way Boeing go about labelling their spacecraft is pretty weird; "Spacecraft 1", "Spacecraft 2", "Spacecraft 3". However, it's is the closest thing we have to actual serial numbers like the Crew Dragons do, so we have to put up with it for now, I suppose. – PhilipTerryGraham (talk) 11:40, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
- Comment – @Garuda28, Huntster, OkayKenji, and Soumya-8974: so, the way I read it, there seems to be some agreement that option D is the best, while there has been an outright objection to option A. Are there any outright objections to option D at this time? – PhilipTerryGraham (talk) 23:50, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
- Yes. Option D is too precise and Option A is too concise. Therefore, I thought the Option C will be a compromise of both worlds. Cf Category:Space Shuttle Endeavour, which is not "OV-105 Endeavour". --Soumya-8974 talk contribs subpages 05:17, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
- I feel like some exceptions are fine. The Shuttles have never been known at-large by their OV numbers, whereas all the other vehicles listed have primarily been known by their serial numbers up to the actual mission (especially with these commercial vehicles). Some of them may never even be given a name, in which case uniformly applying Option D within a family of vehicles will make it much easier to see the sequence of production. — Huntster (t @ c) 06:25, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
- Yes. Option D is too precise and Option A is too concise. Therefore, I thought the Option C will be a compromise of both worlds. Cf Category:Space Shuttle Endeavour, which is not "OV-105 Endeavour". --Soumya-8974 talk contribs subpages 05:17, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Soumya-8974: I agree with Huntster on this one. I think we will make exceptions for both the Mercury and Space Shuttle spacecraft from this discussion, since they have clear, obvious, and recognisable common names that, if they were changed, would likely confuse people. This is in contrast to the spacecraft classes explicitly mentioned in this discussion; the Apollo CSMs, Apollo LMs, Orions, Crew Dragons, and Boeing Starliners, which don't have clear, common names like Friendship 7 or Space Shuttle Discovery do. – PhilipTerryGraham (talk) 17:24, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
- Support Option D when spacecraft is given a name other than its serial number; Option B when there's none. This opinion only refers to naming as a Wikimedia category though. And I agree that Option A is too concise. --AFLBulawan (talk) 06:53, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
- Question What should be done in cases where we don't have a name (like Endeavour) for a capsule? OkayKenji (talk) 04:02, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
- @OkayKenji: Basically what Huntster said. Options B, and D specify the use of the spacecraft class and serial number in the name, while option C specifies the use of a serial number in the absence of a formal name. See the column for Orion in the table for an example of how this works. – PhilipTerryGraham (talk) 17:19, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
- Therefore, the consensus is to choose option D, which is against my !vote. Right? --Soumya-8974 talk contribs subpages 12:46, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
- @PhilipTerryGraham: I have renamed Category:CSM-107 to Category:Apollo CSM-107 Columbia. Please do so for other categories according to the consensus. --Soumya-8974 talk contribs subpages 10:02, 3 August 2020 (UTC)