User talk:Smallman12q/Archive 2

Convert all interlaced JPGs

Hello, can you by any chance give a look at this bot work request? Thanks, Nemo 10:39, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

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	Some sweetness to keep you going as you persist with me. Bdcousineau (talk) 00:52, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Smallman12q (talk) 16:20, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Ford photo contact sheets

Hi Smallman12q. When you upload the Ford photo contact sheets (see this), is it possible to add additional text to the name? I've been thinking about this a lot and think Ford files should have more identifiers in the name in Wikipedia. For example, A5397_NLGRF[1] should be named Ford_A5397_NLGRF_photo_contact_sheet in Wikipedia. The "Ford" part will help tell humans not familiar with NLGRF what the file is about. By setting "Ford" first, the file will be sorted by that and it can be easily distinguished from, for example, Nixon_A5397_NLRMN_photo_contact_sheet. The "photo contact sheet" portion says what the file is. It is a little more descriptive than "contact sheet" and "photo contact sheet" is what is used by the Ford Library.[2]. As for the description, originally I was thinking the upload bot could put a copy of the text at File:Ford A5397 NLGRF photo contact sheet.jpg on each page and just modify the details. It might be better to have one template with the repeatable text details and have parameters for the template that can be changed for each page. I don't know how the upload bot works, so it's hard for me to say what we shoud do. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 11:58, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

The upload title will be "Ford <sheet id> (date)(Gerald Ford Library).jpg" The table in each file will be generate based on what's in the pdfs. I don't think an additional formatting template is needed. I'll create another licensing template which will read "The White House Photographic Office provided still-photographic coverage of the day-to-day activities of President Gerald R. Ford, First Lady Betty Ford, and their family and staff. The photographers took approximately 290,000 photos, all of which are in the public domain and not subject to copyright restrictions. " based on their site. If you have any other suggestions, let me know.Smallman12q (talk) 22:57, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

I prefer your version. I assume that you are getting the "<sheet id> (date)" from here. That's good. It turns out, the date on the contact sheet is not the date the photos were taken. A file name such as Ford A5397 (07/05/1975)(Gerald Ford Library).jpg is fine. In suggesting something like A5397_NLGRF, I thought it might contribute to helping the Ford archivists get on board with the Wikipedia project since that is how the Ford website identifies the file. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 13:28, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

It'll look like Ford A5397_NLGRF photo contact sheet (07-05-1975)(Gerald Ford Library).jpg (Can't use slashes / as they're not allowed in filenames...had a long bug report on that one bugzilla:41190) and it'll be based on that finding guide. The date isn't when they're taken...but its better than nothing.Smallman12q (talk) 23:49, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

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My page has some stats. Bdcousineau (talk) 00:41, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

new {{GFPLM-image}}

Hate to bother you over here, but it's like a crazy w:quilt on my user page right now. I need to communicate this to you:

In {{GFPLM-image}} this is the new verbiage for document uploads for ARC web-scrape only:

This media is housed at the Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library and Museum, available online at Ford Digital Library or through the holdings of the National Archives and Records Administration, under Archival Research Catalog (ARC) identifier xxxx.

The "xxxx" will be the ARC ID# and will have to change from file to file. Can this work?

In {{GFPLM-image}} this is the new verbiage for the contact sheet uploads - or any future upload without ARC ID #:

This media is housed at the Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library and Museum, available online at Ford Digital Library.

This verbiage replaces the current:

This media is available in the holdings of the Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library and Museum.

I have two changes to the table headings (are you giving me tables for the documents?) once we get to the ARC-scrape and the Ford website-scrape. Thanks. And, no db for the contact sheets. The Photo Archivist said so. Bdcousineau (talk) 20:37, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

File:Portlandia Statue (Multnomah County, Oregon scenic images) (mulDA0026).jpg

File:Portlandia Statue (Multnomah County, Oregon scenic images) (mulDA0026).jpg has been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether it should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry. If you created this file, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it, such as a copyright issue. Please see Commons:But it's my own work! for a guide on how to address these issues. Please remember to respond to and – if appropriate – contradict the arguments supporting deletion. Arguments which focus on the nominator will not affect the result of the nomination. Thank you!

Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 12:47, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

File:Portlandia Statue (Multnomah County, Oregon scenic images) (mulDA0030).jpg

File:Portlandia Statue (Multnomah County, Oregon scenic images) (mulDA0030).jpg has been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether it should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry. If you created this file, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it, such as a copyright issue. Please see Commons:But it's my own work! for a guide on how to address these issues. Please remember to respond to and – if appropriate – contradict the arguments supporting deletion. Arguments which focus on the nominator will not affect the result of the nomination. Thank you!

Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 12:48, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Working by firelight

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	A cozy fire to keep you warm as you parse. Bdcousineau (talk) 01:43, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Done

I think I done messed up Template:GFPLM-image/en. I described my efforts at User talk:Bdcousineau template. Would you please fix the Template:GFPLM-image/en template so that it works as Bdcousineau asks. Thanks! -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 02:26, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

I think I fixed it. However, please check. Thanks. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 02:40, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure what should you want changed?Smallman12q (talk) 03:14, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Notification about possible deletion

Some contents have been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether they should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at their entry. If you created these pages, please note that the fact that they have been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with them, such as a copyright issue. Please see Commons:But it's my own work! for a guide on how to address these issues. Please remember to respond to and – if appropriate – contradict the arguments supporting deletion. Arguments which focus on the nominator will not affect the result of the nomination. Thank you!

— Werewombat (talk) 07:23, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Thoughts about categories for the Ford contact sheet uploads

My original thought was to categorize all of the Ford contact sheets by the photographer (thus creating subcategories both of "Contact sheets by the Ford White House" and "Photographs by [photographer's name]"), but I'm starting to wonder if the scale of this project will necessitate splitting up categories by years and even months (as a couple of your recent uploads have exhibited). I want to have a consistent categorization regime, no matter what form it takes: photographer, year/month, both, or something else. So, whatever option we go for, I'd like to agree on it so we can make sure all the images are categorized consistently as or shortly after they are uploaded. If we really get into the tens or hundreds of thousands of contact sheets, this consistency will be very useful. Thanks so much for all your help so far, and please do take care! Michael Barera (talk) 03:00, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

I've noticed that Smallbot is currently running, so hopefully you're on right now. I like your categorization idea to split up the contact sheet uploads by year and month, so I'm working on creating those categories (which were just redlinks when the uploads began) and making them subcategories of the main "Contact sheets by the Ford White House" category. I will then remove the redundant parent category from each of the images. If we decide we want to later, we can break up each of the months by photographer, but let's wait and see on that one. For now, I'm essentially going with your categorization structure minus the redundancies. (See here for my idea of the finished product). Michael Barera (talk) 02:32, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

OK, we have to stop uploading all of the contact sheets with categorical redundancies: this is creating too much unnecessary work. Smallman, if you don't mind, could you please stop Smallbot and remove the redundant "Contact sheets by the Ford White House" category (but please do leave the "by month" category)? (Again, see here for what the upload should look like). Also, please either create any "redlinked" categories that you add to the batch upload (following this example) or give them all to me so I can create them. Smallbot is just operating too quickly and this project is too large to do this all by hand, as I originally intended. Thanks in advance for fixing this problem. Michael Barera (talk) 03:16, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

I've removed "Contact sheets by the Ford White House" from all prior uploads with cat-a-lot and from future uploads in the script. You can create the redlinked categories, they're all in the template. Just click for new tab, paste, and save.Smallman12q (talk) 14:55, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks so much, I really, really appreciate it! Michael Barera (talk) 16:14, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

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I am now proud owner of a TUSC account!Smallman12q (talk) 01:31, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Curious about creating and operating a bot on Commons

This actually has nothing to do with the Ford collaboration, but I know that you run Smallbot and so you may be able to help with this query. I'm curious about creating and operating an internationalization/localization bot on Commons (something very similar to Slobot, which hasn't edited since 2010), but I have no previous experience with bots on Wikipedia or Commons. So, I'm coming to you for some advice on where to get started. I just learned basic Python last semester, so I'm most interested in running a pywikipedia-based bot, but I'm open to other suggestions as well. Please let me know where or whom I should go to next: I know from personal experience that there are a lot of files on Commons in need of internationalization/localization, so I'm really interested in getting a bot up and running that can help on this front. Thanks so much! Michael Barera (talk) 16:49, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Programming revolves around practice and understanding. You'll need to read mw:Manual:Pywikipediabot(and relevant links) and Overview_of_the_process_of_developing_a_bot. All the bot frameworks are wrappers for the mediawiki api. You don't need a degree to program (though it'll help get your foot in the door). Having said that, you should should write down exactly how you think the program should work, and then find the proper function in the pywiki framework. (In your case, you want to get the page text, search/replace, and then save). You should also look at the source for the scripts in the framework and make some practice edits with the framework. I don't know how proficient you are in python, but I would recommend getting a book or two on python, watching some python videos, and practice. You should also get an w:IDE such as w:pycharm.

If you're willing to go outside python, you could try the DotNetWikiBot Framework which is written in C# and would be easier for a beginner to use.

I also suggest you get a w:wp:Toolserver account (they'll need some personal details).

According to Python LocalUserGroups, their is a pyhton group in Michigan which meets at w:Washtenaw Community College. You can post to this active google group for more info (they have a meeting tmrw). You should also see if you have any programming student clubs. It's always a plus to take initiative=D. If you have any questions, feel free to ask.Smallman12q (talk) 03:56, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I really appreciate it! I'm not sure if now is the right time (in all honesty, it probably isn't because I don't have that much experience), but I would like to manage my own bot at some point. Thanks for sharing! Michael Barera (talk) 04:08, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Great job on the contact sheets

The contact sheet uploads look great. One idea I had was to also include the tables for each contact sheet on a single page so the page could be word searched and the table columns could be sorted. While the collective of the contact sheet tables would be a lot of data, I think if we put the table in a scrolling list, it could work. I created such a scrolling contact sheet table for two contact sheets at Category:Contact sheets by the Ford White House. If you think this would work, could you do your bot magic and add the tables for the other contact sheets to the scrolling table at Category:Contact sheets by the Ford White House. Thanks. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 13:13, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

I'll see if the tables will fit.Smallman12q (talk) 02:01, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Commons:Batch_uploading#11k_of_Areal_Photos

Dear Smallman12q, thanks' a lot for your message on my German talk page and of course for your support to upload these areal photos. My English is not the best, but of course I will try to translate where necessary. I will first get in contact with the photographer and if he is able to speak English it is may the easies and best way if he get direct in contact with you. Thanks' again for your support and I will come back as soone as I have some news from the photographer.--Unimog404 (talk) 20:50, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Your English seems fine. Let me know when you hear back.Smallman12q (talk) 23:38, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Question about {{GFPLM-image-full}}

Thanks so much for all your hard work on {{GFPLM-image-full}}: it really looks good so far! One thing I noticed, however, is that it is missing a documentation page (which should be located at {{GFPLM-image-full/doc}}, I believe), so it is difficult to know exactly what fields are supported by the template and what ones aren't. Looking at the general NARA version of that documentation (which is at {{NARA-image-full/doc}}), the "usage" section seems to me to be absolutely vital to using the template effectively, while the "parameters" section also looks very nice, but it will require more work. Considering that you created the {{GFPLM-image-full}} template and thus have the most knowledge of exactly how it works, do you think that you would be able to create the documentation page? If not, I can give it a shot, but I was looking at all the template code and wasn't quite sure which parameters corresponded with fields and which ones were supporting other parameters. Thanks so much and take care! Michael Barera (talk) 04:20, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

I'll do that tmrw.Smallman12q (talk) 23:41, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, that will be much appreciated! Michael Barera (talk) 01:42, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Your work on {{GFPLM-image-full/doc}} looks fantastic! Thanks so much! Michael Barera (talk) 05:12, 9 January 2013 (UTC)