User talk:Sj/Archive1

Image deletion warning

Thanks for adding a copyright tag. However, you also need to add the name of the copyright owner (photographer?) since he/she has a right to be credited. Regards, Thuresson 28 June 2005 07:18 (UTC)

I suppose I do have that right; although I hope I also have the right to be anonymous, and do not need to add my name to each of my photos. Sj June 28, 2005 08:02 (UTC)

Actually for the copyright information to mean somthing it needs to be tied to a name or pseudonym or I don't believe it means anything. The other thing is that I just tagged your image Image:Rossmayfield.gif as fairuse because that is what publicity photos usually are. Unless you do somthing it will probably be deleted shortly. BrokenSegue 2 July 2005 15:39 (UTC)

You need at least to give as much information that is necessary so that others can verify the copyright. Adding "public domain" and nothing else will simply lead to your photos being deleted. Thuresson 11:20, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Image from en

Alright, sorry for being a pain, but I have a few issues with the image you just uploaded. I assume that you took it from the en picture en:Image:Richard Matthew Stallman.jpeg. Since over there the picture is licensed as GFDL the edit history of the image should be preserved. There are two versions of it there so both should be moved over. Also when moving images from over there, bring the information about the picture over also (while citing who wrote it). If the image is GFDL, it helps if you add the {{GFDL}} template yourself. Finally, I have contested the status of that picture as GFDL on the en talk page. BrokenSegue 2 July 2005 16:11 (UTC)

Thanks, B.S. I assume the edit history is left on the talk page here? I agree with you that it's probably not GFDL, btw :) more likely PD.

Whole Earth

Hi. Could you reduce the resolution and especially the file size of the whole earth page scans you uploaded? I think 6MB for a scan of a page is just way too big. Sorry for the trouble, and thanks -- Chris 73 00:07, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)

They need to be large enough for visual OCR, since these page-layouts are too odd for the machine OCR I have available... what do you suggest? Moving comment to your page. Sj

Copyright tags

Hi. Could you add copyright tags to all the images you uploaded? For now I have tagged your image as "Unknown". If there are no tags, the image may have to be deleted. Thanks -- Chris 73 03:26, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Sure thing. They were all taken by me; since tagged GFDL.

Categorization

Also, please always put your images into categories and/or on gallery pages. Images that can not be found by others via a thematic search are essentially useless to the project. -- Duesentrieb 23:50, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the reminder, Duesentrieb. Sj

Image:NYC meetup 5.jpg

Could you please ask the people on the image if or if not they argee and then change the tag accordingliy. I know it is very unlikely that they disagree. But please ask anyway. Thanx. --Paddy 14:09, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Will do. +sj + 08:08, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Sad to see this go...

Wikimania media contest

Hi there. As you won the ... you are entitled to either an O'Reilly book or a Directmedia DVD ...

No need to send me anything, thanks for the note :) --Duk 04:55, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Editing trouble

Editing gets me an index.php download atm, so comments and updates are limited to new sections... feh. +sj +

Re: And again

Hi Sj. Thanks for your comments.

I am not terribly familiar with m:Multilingual MediaWiki. I don't really understand the "join" thing. This comment concerns me:

It is possible to add innerlanguage links to categories, however, doing so does not mean that the translated category name (e.g. "en:Horse" => "de:Pferd") will inherit the category hierarchy of the original. Instead, category hierarchies can evolve separately in separate languages. In a multilingual repository like Wikimedia Commons, this means that separate file description pages in separate languages have separate categories.

It seems to be suggesting the use of parallel category structures. IMO this is an extremely bad idea. For one thing, if I'm looking for a picture of a horse, I don't necessarily care what language the description is in. And I sure don't want to have to check 20 different horse categories just because they have different names. For another, it would be total maintenance hell. It is hard enough to maintain one category structure at the moment.

I believe Duesentrieb's proposal can solve this. His idea is to use interwiki links on categories to display a native language name. (This assumes that all categories have been given interwiki links.)

So, say I have my language set to de, and I go to Category:Horses. At the top of the category I will see something like Category:Horses (Pferd).

This is not a total solution -- ideally we would like users to be able to put Category:Pferd on a picture and for that to work, i.e. full category redirects, but it's better than nothing.

I have to say that I am a little pessimistic about grand projects like this. They are great in theory but they seem to spend a long time going nowhere. We seem to have enough trouble getting bugs fixed, let alone implementing some whole new thing. I kinda feel that it's better to "wait until you really see it" -- I'm still waiting to see the universal login.

I would like to hear more about your ideas for translation on Commons, automatic or otherwise. I would very much like to see translation of category and other information based on browser and other preferences.

Sure, but the ideas I mentioned in my foundation-l post are not really mine. Let me find some links...

• automatic translation of templates - at the moment we set up templates in a similar way to the way MediaWiki pages are set up, in the hope that automatic translation will work in the same way. e.g. MediaWiki:Uploadtext is what you see at Special:Upload. The French translation is stored at MediaWiki:Uploadtext/fr, similar for other languages (if they exist; if they don't, it falls back to the English). We are doing this for templates. e.g. Template:PD. Because they don't automatically translate, we have to link to the translations on the actual template, e.g. Template:PD/ja. (You will notice the ru translation has not been updated...)

• automatic language selection based on browser settings and/or drop-down menu for language choice on the main page (bugzilla:3665)
• adoption of Duesentrieb's proposed category translation scheme via interwikis (it's actually for all pages, not just categories - but IMO it's most valuable for categories - bugzilla:5638)

also

• bugzilla:3311 - automatic category redirects

It is certainly true that right now most wikipedia communities are more interested in Wikipedia than in Commons. But there are also those who care primarily about media, and now that single login is coming it may be easier to get people to participate across projects.

Yes. (Although I would rather have thought anyone who cared primarily about media was already here at the Commons. ;P) I expect the universal login to be a great boon for the Commons. But at the same time, we also need a universal 'new messages' system (there's been no official mention of it yet, but Brion indicated it was in the pipeline), because of image deletion warnings.

You wrote recently: "It is unrealistic to expect the people who are interested in the Commons to consult over 100 different language groups on ANYTHING let alone EVERYTHING." -- this may be unrealistic now, but should it not be a standing goal? Perhaps beginning with an expectation of consulting on rare occasions with 3 or 5 language groups, and slowly expanding both frequency and # of languages from there.

Absolutely it should be a standing goal that everyone can have equal input into discussions regardless of their language. Perhaps Esperanto lessons should be a pre-requisite for a Commons account! "Consulting" other language groups doesn't seem very equal, it's like "we're in charge, oh BTW we're going to do this, this is your last chance to comment". How can we have a system so that everyone can come to the table on an equal footing? How can we have a system so anyone can propose an idea in their native language and anyone else can respond in theirs? I mean, frankly, I can't think of any existing model that is as complete as we would expect and require. It's worse than the U.N., at least they confined themselves to 20 languages or so.

A lot of the burden surely must be on bilingual speakers who can read English, I'm afraid. It must be more or less their duty to translate the ideas of the day to their other-language communities. How are we English-only speakers going to do it, after all? And yet, it is only volunteer. If they're not interested, they're not going to do it. So...?

It is a problem, which has already had consequences. For example the PNG deletion issue (which I think GerardM alluded to, with nl.wp). There was quite a flurry of information about it on the English VP. But for some time afterwards, I noticed a few more cases in the deletion log, PNGs that were being deleted for being "redundant", and I believe it was non-native English speakers. So basically the idea has not filtered through - these admins I guess are not reading the English VP, and I don't agree that they should have to. In this case it was only a few, so I wrote notes on their talk pages (something no one else had apparently bothered to do). So I don't know what a solution is.

Anyway... if you have any ideas, I'll be glad to hear them. :) --pfctdayelise (translate?) 23:13, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Commons:Bots

You might find it useful. --pfctdayelise (translate?) 23:47, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Rotoscoping

Rotoscoping? Dunno.... Gordo 22:15, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Glad you like Image:Museum_in_Docklands_at_night_2005-01-10.JPG (I have suggested this for inclusion for Schmap, which already features image from Frankfurt, taken in 2005, but not actually at Wikimania...) Gordo 22:01, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Image:Relax-diacritics.jpg

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