User talk:Randomastwritter

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-- Wikimedia Commons Welcome (talk) 21:11, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

I appreciate the edit BUT

For future edits, it will be better if we add border outlines to any state, the recent Dervish edits doesn't have one 114.142.172.44 11:29, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Erroneous markings in Anatolia

The colored markings on the 1920 map of Anatolia are wrong, because after the World War 1, Woodrow Wilson's 14-point plan did not apply to the Italian and French territorial claims. Therefore, these areas were briefly occupied, but still part of the Ottoman Empire and its successor state Turkey due to the War of Independence. The war of independence lasted from 1919-1922, so the colored markings were still areas of conflict. The Italians weren't stationed that far north either. The treaty of Sevres was never ratified and the treaty of Lausanne was agreed. So I ask for a correction. Thank you 2003:EC:732:F701:F0E3:683B:FB18:708E 17:08, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

File:Map of the German Empire - 1914.PNG

For your recent change to File:Map of the German Empire - 1914.PNG: what is the basis for the changed borders in the Horn of Africa? Not saying you are wrong, just asking what is the basis for the change. - Jmabel ! talk 00:09, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

The file is dated to the year 1914; in that year Jubaland was not yet handed over to the Italian empire, with the handover occurring between the years 1924 and 1926. As for the Dervish state, it was not yet dissolved until 1920. So I corrected those. Randomastwritter (talk) 00:28, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Did the Dervish state have any established borders? Was it recognized by anyone? Changes like this without citing sources seem a bit odd. I'm uncomfortable with this, because the map is attributed to me. - Jmabel ! talk 05:30, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

"wells in the Nugal 'of Halin, and from these to those of Hudin, and from Hudin to Tifafleh, and from Tifafleh to Danot'", says a snippet from Roy Irons 2013, other page snippets define eastern border as Ras Garad and Ras Gabbe. The following text suggests Germany, Abyssinia during Lij Yasu rule and Ottomans had a reasonable relationship with Dervish "The close connexion between the Germans and the Turks, Prince Lij Yasu and the Mullah, may be judged from the adventure of a certain German named Emil Kirsch" (note, the Mullah is the Dervish leader). Im Lewis 2003 states "in 1917, the Italian Administration of Somalia intercepted a document from the Turkish government which assured the Sayyid of support and named him Emir of the Somali nation". So at the least, Ottomans recognized Dervish. Randomastwritter (talk) 07:21, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Did they recognize specific borders, or was it more like the status of the various ethnic communities within the Ottoman Empire? - Jmabel ! talk 14:34, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

In Osman Omar, Mohamed (2001). The Scramble in the Horn of Africa; History of Somalia (1827-1977) (PDF available online) it gives the Dervish proclamation of independence letter which contains " This letter is sent by all the Dervishes, the Amir, and all the Dolbahanta to the Ruler of Berbera ... We are a Government, we have a Sultan, an Amir, and Chiefs, and subjects.". The preceding proclamation dated May 1899 defines the Dervish as a Dhulbahante kingdom. Dhulbahante lands are congruous with the Nugaal Valley, Khatumo and/or Sool Province. The proclamation differs from Ottoman intentions as the Ottomans emphasized emir of Somali rather than Nugaal / Sool etc. suggesting they promoted Dervish expansionism. Douglas Jardine writes that Dervish slightly expanded during WW1, " "An imaginary line was drawn roughly from Ankhor on the sea-coast through Eil Dur Elan to Badwein at the eastern extremity of the Ain Valley, and thence south-west to the southern border at a point where it is intersected by the 46th degree of longitude. It was our object to confine Dervish activities to their side of this line and to afford protection to the friendly tribes on our side." The quote "their side" suggests that the British considered Derivsh as a separate entity to themselves, however this WW1 border did not differ significantly from ogirinal Dervish borders as Badwein is still located in Sool province. So Jardine and Giulio Pestalozza were respectively British and Italian colonial administrators; as such, Dervish borders were recognized by British, Italians and Ottomans. Randomastwritter (talk) 21:19, 16 July 2023 (UTC)