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Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:1963 stamps of Ifni

Hi, Why did you delete these files only after 2 days? I don't Adamant's argument is valid here, that's why I pointed the current discussion on COM:VPC. Please undelete these files. Thanks, Yann (talk) 09:01, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

And also Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:1965 stamps of Ifni and Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:1964 stamps of Ifni. Yann (talk) 09:03, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
Could you please briefly clarify how that discussion is relevant to those DRs? Thanks. Materialscientist (talk) 09:15, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
This discussion is about which law should be used for former colonies. As per Carl Lindberg detailed and persuasive arguments, these stamps should either use the new country law, or be considered as simultaneous publication, or both. But Moroccan law is still 70 years pma or after publication, contrary to Algerian law, for which stamps are already in the public domain. Yann (talk) 11:20, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
I did understand that it is unclear whether we should apply Spanish or Moroccan laws, but those stamps are still protected according to either law (even ignoring the URAA, and the fact that those stamps bear the name of designer, who most likely died well after 1963). The Village pump discussion may affect the undeletion date, but this can be fixed any time later. How Algeria is relevant to Ifni? How could those stamps be in PD, even theoretically? Materialscientist (talk) 12:14, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
I thought that Morocco uses the same short copyright duration as Algeria, as they share a common history. Yann (talk) 19:21, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
They had different laws: Algeria set a 25-year protection term in 1973, while Morocco had a 50-year term, set in 1970. In 2006, Morocco extended the term to 70 years. The 2006 law was not retroactive, but copyright for 1960s stamps did not expire by 2006. I have added the 50-year bit to Commons:Morocco. Actually I've realized recently that our territory copyright pages are still vastly incomplete for many countries, even for basic copyright. That is, I couldn't judge DRs from Commons guidelines alone, and had to look up the original laws. Materialscientist (talk) 02:30, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the reviews on Flickr Commons stuff...

Any chance of doing some systemic category reviewing to further the cleaning efforts? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 19:31, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

I was using insource:/bookyear19XX/ -hastemplate:delete as the search query and looking at the sourcing of the results. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 08:17, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Deletion

Pleased delete this file: Hundskugel 1 und Brunnstraße 3–5 (1889).png as well regards 46.114.90.214 12:11, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Deleted, thanks. Materialscientist (talk) 00:12, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Mausoleum of Mohammed V

Hello. It appears most of the files actually did net get deleted. Please advise. --Krd 08:05, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. That was a technical glitch in mass deletion script. Should be Ok now. Materialscientist (talk) 08:08, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

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Hello, could you please delete this one per Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by The lion of this site? --Karim talk to me :)..! 22:12, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Done. Materialscientist (talk) 23:05, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

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Commons:Deletion requests/File:Roberto Fontanarrosa escultura C.C.R.F.jpg

Hi Materialscientist, you closed the DR as "Deleted", but the file is still available (with the DR message). Maybe something failed in the operation. Thanks. Günther Frager (talk) 15:20, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Deleted, thanks. Materialscientist (talk) 21:42, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Copyright status of Chinese stamps

Hello. I noticed you closed Commons:Deletion requests/File:Ji9, 3-1, Profile of Chairman Mao, 1951.jpg as keep because you think they have a protection term of 50 years after publication. I don't necessarily disagree, but can you clarify something for me about how long they actually copyrighted for? According to Commons:Copyright rules by territory/China Chinese stamps are "Not OK for nearly all non-Manchukuo, non-Wang-regime stamps in China, because in most cases, the dates of birth of authors of those stamps are not publicly known, unless if that's issued before Jan 1, 1928 which is a PD-anon-expired case, we should de facto judge them as copyrighted by China Post or its affiliates (e.g. Beijing Stamp Factory)." Maybe it's the wording, but the paragraph really makes it sound like nearly all stamps in China are de facto copyrighted unless it's issued before Jan 1, 1928. Or am I just reading the paragraph wrong? Adamant1 (talk) 00:14, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

The Stamps section in COM:China is self-contradictory (it basically says or implies that pre-1928 stamps are anonymous, and post-1928 stamps are not (why that?); only China Post knows the author names, and even China Post might not know their death year); it needs to be changed, but I hesitate to boldly do that because China is a major country, and its laws are hard to analyze for a foreigner. I agree with the comment by Vysotsky in Commons_talk:Copyright_rules_by_territory/China that Chinese stamps are government works and are protected for 50 years after publication. Materialscientist (talk) 00:52, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
I agree that Vysotsky is probably right. I was only questioning them because I think there has to be more then what they said in order to justify changing the guideline. Although the self-contradictory stuff should be dealt with regardless, but I'm not anymore willing to do it then you are. So I guess the only other option is to just not mess with Chinese stamps until someone else deals with it. Maybe I'll ask about it on zh.wikipedia if the self-contradictory stuff isn't at least dealt with at some point. I'm not anymore sure then you are about why the difference in dates matters to if stamps are anonymous works or not. Either they are anonymous or they aren't. The date of publication shouldn't really matter either way. --Adamant1 (talk) 01:48, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
"So I guess the only other option is to just not mess with Chinese stamps" - yeah, something like that. I have much experience with general mentality in Japan and China. They avoid talking about gray areas (kind of "figure it out yourself from the general atmosphere") - very hard to find a person who would dare to decide in such cases. Further to that, China Post is a recent company. I don't know if they actually know the stamp authors from the 1960s and before, which is what we need. Their Chinese Wiki article reveals a lot of changes in the postal management around that time. Materialscientist (talk) 02:10, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Delete file request

@Materialscientist: Hello, is it possible to delete this file which I uploaded by mistake? https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Stema_e_Skurajve.svg Kj1595 (talk) 06:08, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Deleted. Materialscientist (talk) 06:18, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Daily Express

Hello! I'm the author of this upload. Can you, please, review it and keep it, since I has updated the license? --Yeeeep nooope (talk) 09:01, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

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Deletion comment

Why is Commons:Deletion requests/Files found with insource:/alewifereservati00bioe/ not PD-MAGov? TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 22:36, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, my bad. Reconsidered. Materialscientist (talk) 23:04, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

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Hi. I'd flagged this as needing permission as the description named a photographer ("Mae Martin by Matt Crockett") which didn't match the uploader name ("CamCB20") in any way, and the user's only other upload was a photo of a DJ deleted at Commons:Deletion requests/File:Muzz Khan headshot.jpg for making a "dubious ownership claim". Sadly that discussion only offered a now-dead TinEye link, so I don't know what the photo was. Googling for Muzz Khan and Matt Crockett returns no results to suggest that it was the same photographer in both cases, though.
Looking at enwiki the user was asked directly at en:User_talk:CamCB20#Photo_on_Mae_Martin in 2020 if the Mae Martin photo was theirs, which they didn't answer when returning to make a Muzz Khan draft in 2021.
Could be an agent promoting two clients with full copyright clearance and fumbling the copyright line. But it could also be a fan who found a hi-res press pack photo somewhere and guessed it would be okay to use it on the Wikipedia article.
Would appreciate your take given that context, let me know if you think it would benefit from a deletion discussion instead. Thanks. Belbury (talk) 09:02, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
Thanks. The other upload by CamCB20 was a similar studio shot but without EXIF. I've reverted myself on Mae Martin.jpg - indeed, CamCB20 is likely some agent, who may or may not hold the copyright for those photos. Materialscientist (talk) 09:07, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

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Hi colleague, just in case you haven't seeen already, User:Riley stinks69 (now indef'd) seems bent on revenge[1]. --Túrelio (talk) 15:50, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

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Adeletron 3030 (talk) 14:33, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

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Thank you for adjusting the above image so that it is clearer as a thumbnail for DYK. However, please would you kindly split the filepage into two filepages, so that the original sepia portrait has primacy on one page, and the black and white image shows on the other. I accept that it may be easier for you to do that tomorrow, after DYK. The reason why I am requesting this, is that the sepia portrait is a historical original, and reflects how the subject was seen during her own era. Sepia is not a mistake, it is a development process using sepia ink (brown colour from cuttlefish) to produce a softer appearance and more gradation, making human portraits more lifelike than black and white ones. I don't want the filepage to be left permanently with both sepia and b/w versions, because any editor at any time could give the black and white image priority as the article's ID photo, just by clicking revert. Thank you. Storye book (talk) 08:41, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for kindly reverting the above filepage to its original sepia image. I have now made a new filepage for your black and white version here: File:Margaret Elwyn Sparshott (1c).jpg.
So please would you kindly delete the black and white version from File:Margaret Elwyn Sparshott (1b).jpg to prevent future confusion? Don't get me wrong, I like your black and white version, it is good work - it is just not suitable for the historical article. Thank you for your kind cooperation so far. Storye book (talk) 10:11, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Commons:Deletion requests/Pocket Atlas of the USSR, 11th ed., 1940 (renomination)

[2] Komarof (talk) 06:58, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

That was a technical error - Commons scripts fail on multiple deletions. Fixed. Thanks. Materialscientist (talk) 07:14, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
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