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DerivativeFX doesn't recognize {{CopyrightByWikimedia}}

Although it's not a free license, we do host files with {{CopyrightByWikimedia}}. Could you add it to DerivativeFX so I can more easily upload derivatives of the new Wikibooks logo? Thanks  — Mike.lifeguard | @en.wb 01:40, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Done in r140.--Luxo 17:31, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! Can you add {{Gray's Anatomy plate}} please?  — Mike.lifeguard 04:11, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

I will do it. But it should be called {{PD-Gray's Anatomy plate}} if you want some structures in the license templates... Then it would be also accepted by the tool as public domain.--Luxo 16:07, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Also please add {{Cc-pd}}. Thanks! SharkD (talk) 13:17, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Done.--Luxo 13:21, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

bad browser sniffing, Luxo :(

Hi there.


Version
10.00 Internal
Build
4166
Platform
Linux
System
i686, 2.6.26-1-686
Qt library
4.4.3
Java
Java Runtime Environment installed

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.0.6)
Gecko/2009020409 Iceweasel/3.0.6 (Debian-3.0.6-1)

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.0.6) Gecko/2009011912 Firefox/3.0.6

Iceape 1.1.14

  • Copyright © 1998-2008 by contributors to the Mozilla Project.
  • Read the licensing information for this product.
  • Read the Debian README file for this package.
  • See the Debian bug reports for this package.
  • See the build configuration used for this version.
  • Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686;
     en-US; rv:1.8.1.19) Gecko/20081204 Iceape/1.1.14 (Debian-1.1.14-1)

The script for derived works on Commons insists "Sorry", that I am using a bad browser. The same happened earlier with SeaMonkey 1.1.x (Gecko 1.9) on the Mac, I think or Windows. Please fix. :)

Best not to sniff like you do, because lots of browsers don't have the user-agent string you are apparently looking for, but can handle your script anyway.:) It's only getting in the way.

And thanks for a great tool. --Mareklug talk 10:50, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

P.s. It turns out I can't use this tool at all on Debian. Make a suggestion for the user, that the browser might have trouble, but don't prevent editing. And please provide a "no, thanks, I know what I'm doing" button.

Hm strange, the tool don't check which browser you have. I assume you have turn off your javascript. Read the message: "You must have a browser which support the JavaScript-standards of the World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) to use this tool." - but I see that this message is not very good, I will update it.--Luxo 15:32, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Problems identifying file

The derivative upload tool cannot find File:Szurdak&Pepin.JPG. AjaxSmack (talk) 16:53, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Specifically, I get a "File doesn't exist!" using Firefox and a "Loading...Please wait" that hangs using IE. AjaxSmack (talk) 17:16, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
Fixed, was a little bug because of the & in the title.--Luxo 18:09, 14 February 2009 (UTC)


More help needed

I've progressed a little further with this but cannot upload because of "Please complete author information for the following images: - File:Szurdak&Pepin.JPG". The original author is listed at that page -- what else is needed? AjaxSmack (talk) 19:59, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

it's listed at that page, but the tool can't detect it. replace '''PLEASE COMPLETE AUTHOR INFORMATION''' in the Summary with the original author, then it works. --Luxo 21:18, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for all your work on this. It recognised it this time and the upload went fine. AjaxSmack (talk) 01:17, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

The utility for derivative works failing

The utility for derivative works is not able to work with files with Czech or Esperanto diacritic signs, it writes the files don't exist. Try ex. create derivated picture from Johano Paŭlo la 2-a kaj la Esperanta Meslibro 001.jpg --Petrus Adamus (talk) 12:54, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

works now. greetings,--Luxo 11:16, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Need helpful programmer to help new programmer

Hello, French user fr:user:Blr is close to finish an application who 'generate SVG maps' by large series, according to data provided by users, and one SVG source map provided.

Blr is interested by :

  • toolserver.org : how to get his application working there ? can you assist him ?
  • your upload application DerivateFX : his application generated SVG maps will ALL be derivated from commons ones, accordingly, his application will be highly strengthen if able to directly upload to commons, using DerivateFX. How to process to make Blr's code and DerivateFX work together ?

OR,

  • can you include Blr's map generator code to your tool DerivateFX?, we are looking for ideas and solutions.

I asked to Blr to contact you, hope you may provide some keys to let the DerivateFX assist this other script !~ :] Yug (talk) 02:12, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

hi Yug. If he like a toolserver account, he can request one at meta:Toolserver/New_accounts. I cannot say if I'm interested about this because I don't understand what this application exactly does. But I can say that directly upload to commons from a Tool without saving the file on the computer of the user is technical not possible. Greetings, --Luxo 11:16, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Zwei Fragen

Hallo, heute bin ich etwas ruhiger :-)... Abgesehen davon, dass Dein Rotatebot sehr schnell kommt wenn man ihn ruft, Kompliment, habe ich zwei Fragen. Habe heute den Commonist ausprobiert und es funktionieren da zwei Sachen nicht. Erstens, wenn ich den thumb anklicke, so bekomme ich keine Vergößerung, wie in der Anleitung steht (nun ja, nicht schlimm, die bekomme ich auch anderswo). Aber: beim Ausfüllen habe ich in der linken Spalte (General upload settings) für alle Bilder die Lizenz und Kategorie ausgefüllt, aber nichts kam, ich muste schnell editieren bevor das jemand löscht. Hast Du Ahnung was schief läuft? Danke im voraus, -jkb- (cs.source) 12:53, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Danke, Rotatebot macht seinen Job einfach alle 6 Stunden :-) Zum Commonist: Von dem habe ich keine Ahnung, ich habe ihn noch nie ausprobiert. Gruss, --Luxo 16:39, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

derivativeFX translation

Hi Luxo,

is there a language file for derivativeFX? I would be happy to make a Hungarian translation.

--Tgr (talk) 20:43, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi Tgr. Yes, you find it here. There is a plan to use the translatewiki.net for translating toolserver tools, so in future the messages will be stored there. Because of that I don't make ad to translate it, otherwise I must move all messages 'by hand' to translatewiki later. But you can gladly translate it, one language more or less doesn't make any difference. Greetings, --Luxo 11:55, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, I've put the translated text below. AFAIK translatewiki can import gettext files, so instead of manually uploading, you can just do something like this:

require("language.php");
for ($lng as $langcode => $strings) {
  $f = fopen("$langcode.po", "wt");
  for ($strings as $msgctxt => $msgstr) {
    $msgid = $lng['en'][$msgctxt];
    $s = <<<STR
msgctxt "derivativefx-$msgctxt"
msgid "$msgid"
msgstr "$msgstr"

STR;
    fprintf($f, $str);
  }
  fclose($f);
}

and then have the translatewiki devs import the .po files. (Not quite accurate as you will need to do some escaping on the strings, and possibly add headers, but gives you the idea.) Alternatively, you could upload it via pywikipediabot.

Also, could you add uselang to the login link on the first page so that the user can see the form in his own language?

thanks --Tgr (talk) 19:10, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Added, thanks. For the text in the image ("%s kép feltöltve!") I have removed the special characters because the font don't have this characters. I will search a other free font which support this. I will also think about the gettext files, thanks for the idea! greetings,--Luxo 22:48, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

translated text

//############################# HUNGARIAN ########################
$lng['hu']['name'] = "Magyar";
$lng['hu']['welc'] = "Üdv a derivativeFX-ben!";
$lng['hu']['what'] = "Mi a derivativeFX?";
$lng['hu']['conf'] = "Ellenőrizd, hogy be vagy-e jelentkezve a Wikimedia Commonsba.";
$lng['hu']['look'] = "Ha a saját felhasználói lapodat látod ebben a keretben, be vagy jelentkezve. Máskülönben";
$lng['hu']['loin'] = "jelentkezz be";
$lng['hu']['skip'] = "Ne ellenőrizze többet";
$lng['hu']['okin'] = "OK - be vagyok jelentkezve";
$lng['hu']['load'] = "Betöltés";
$lng['hu']['wait'] = "Egy kis türelmet";
$lng['hu']['prof'] = "előnézet:";
$lng['hu']['orwo'] = "Eredeti mű";
$lng['hu']['lotf'] = "A fájl licence";
$lng['hu']['pan']  = "add meg a fájl nevét";
$lng['hu']['admo'] = "további eredeti művek hozzáadása";
$lng['hu']['next'] = "OK - következő";
$lng['hu']['skco'] = "A bejelentkezettség-ellenőrzés kihagyásához engedélyezned kell a sütik használatát a böngésződben.";
$lng['hu']['reqdel'] = "Ez a kép törlésre lett jelölve!";
$lng['hu']['notex'] = "A fájl nem létezik!";
$lng['hu']['orig'] = "Eredeti";
//***** Form1 fertig, Form2
$lng['hu']['nomerg'] = "<h1>Sajnos</h1> az általad megadott képek nem használhatóak fel együtt egy új mű készítéséhez!<br /><br />A licenceik vagy <b>nem kompatibilisek egymással</b>, vagy <b>nem sikerült beazonosítani őket</b>.<br /> A derivativeFX által beazonosított licenceket lásd fentebb.";
$lng['hu']['unktem'] = "Ismeretlen sablonok";
$lng['hu']['unlimg'] = "ehhez a képhez nincs ismert licenc!";
$lng['hu']['descri'] = "Leírás";
$lng['hu']['forpar'] = "az {{Information}} sablon <code>|description=</code> paraméteréhez";
$lng['hu']['addtem'] = "A(z) %s sablon hozzáadása a leíráshoz";
$lng['hu']['change'] = "Változások";
$lng['hu']['editor'] = "Szerkesztő";
$lng['hu']['edihin'] = 'Névtér nélkül, pl. "Szerkesztő:Próba" helyett "Próba"';
$lng['hu']['others'] = "Más sablonok";
$lng['hu']['categs'] = "Kategóriák";
$lng['hu']['nocats'] = "Nincsenek kategóriák";
$lng['hu']['licens'] = "Licenc";
$lng['hu']['hincan'] = "A következő oldalon módosíthatod az összefoglalót";
//**********Form2 fertig, Form3
$lng['hu']['selfil'] = "Válaszd ki az általad készített fájlt";
$lng['hu']['destin'] = "Leendő fájlnév";
$lng['hu']['propos'] = "javaslatok";
$lng['hu']['desexi'] = "Ezen a néven már létezik fájl. Felül akarod írni?";
$lng['hu']['desoke'] = "Ezen a néven még nem létezik fájl.";
$lng['hu']['summar'] = "Összefoglaló";
$lng['hu']['watcht'] = "Figyeld ezt a lapot";
$lng['hu']['addnot'] = "Tegyen egy értesítést az eredeti fájl(ok) leírásába az új fájlról ('User:Bilderbot' néven, UTC idő szerint 02:00-kor)";
$lng['hu']['accept'] = "Tanúsítod, hogy a fenti leírás <span style=\"font-weight: bold;\">helyes és összefér az eredeti fájl(ok) licencével. Egyes képek mellékes részletként jogvédett műveket tartalmazhatnak; az eredeti licenc nem jogosít fel az ilyen részletek kinagyítására és önálló képként való kiemelésére.</span> A derivativeFX nem képes az ilyen jellegű jogsértések felismerésére, és a fejlesztője nem vállal felelősséget az általa generált összefoglaló helyességéért; reméli, hogy az segítségedre lesz, de nem garantál semmit. <span style=\"font-weight: bold;\">A leírás helyességének ellenőrzése a te felelősséged!</span> A kép neve, feltöltésének ideje és az eredeti fájlok neve naplózva lesz.";
$lng['hu']['start'] = "Fájl feltöltése";
$lng['hu']['attac'] = "Csatolj egy fájlt.";
$lng['hu']['corfi'] = "A leendő fájlnév kiterjesztése nem megfelelő. (%s)";
$lng['hu']['notsa'] = "A kiválasztott fájl kiterjesztése (%s) nem ugyanaz, mint a leendő fájlnév kiterjesztése (%s)! Megváltoztatod '%s' névre?";
$lng['hu']['imgu'] = "%s kép feltöltve!";
$lng['hu']['plscom'] = "Töltsd ki a szerző adatait a következő képeknél:";
$lng['hu']['wrncom'] = "Töltsd ki a szerző adatait";

derivativeFX

Hallo Luxo, leider habe ich mit Deinem Werkzeug keinen Erfolg. Nach Eingabe der Originaldatei:

File:Coleanthus subtilis Thome.jpg

hört es nicht mehr auf zu laden ("Laden, bitte warten"). Was läuft falsch? Gruß und Danke im Voraus--IKAl (talk) 12:31, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Hallo, komisch, funktioniert bei mir. Wenn es immer noch nicht funktioniert: kannst du mir mal dein Browser und Betriebssystem angeben? PS: Bin heute Abend nicht Zuhause, musst dich also bis Morgen gedulden...--Luxo 15:39, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Bildinformationen gehen verloren

Hallo Luxo, ich habe mit Deinem derivativeFX die Bilder File:Glockner NW Vergleich 1875-2003.jpg und File:Glocknerleitl 1863-2007.jpg hochgeladen, die ich aus jeweils zwei anderen Commonsbildern zusammengefügt habe. Ich habe nbeim Hochladen auch beide Bilder angegeben, in der Beschreibung erschien aber jeweils nur eines, das kann doch nicht lizenzkonform sein?. Das zweite habe ich händisch nachgetragen, aber es hätte mich interessiert ob ich da etwas falsch gemacht habe und ob ich jetzt noch etwas eintragen muss? danke, --Svíčková (talk) 16:15, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Hallo, Danke für den Hinweis, ist ein Bug des Eingabefensters. Du hast wahrscheinlich den Namen des zweiten Bildes per c&p eingefügt; Dabei wird aber keine Taste gedrückt, und das Eingabefeld reagiert nur auf Tasten (OnKeyUp). Man sieht es daran, dass unten unter License of this file: nach Eingabe des Dateinamens immer noch please add name steht und nicht die Lizenz des Bildes. Daher hat das Tool das andere Bild in die darauf folgenden Schritten gar nicht verwendet. Ich werde diesen Bug beheben. Gruss --Luxo 17:11, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
Danke! --Svíčková (talk) 17:19, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
Ich habs gerade geflickt, das Feld reagiert nun auch bei c&p :) Gruss--Luxo 17:21, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi Luxo - the direction of the sun doesn't matter; the specimen is lying on the ground, and the sun could easily shine through from behind the photographer. The way I'd set the photo shows the cones in their natural orientation for a photo on a vertical computer monitor (open side pointing downwards, thick stem at the base), instead if upside-down. Tree branches don't get thicker higher up the tree! If you don't mind, I'll put it back - MPF (talk) 18:34, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes, they lying on the ground, but for me it looks like the image is upside down. :-) But I'll don't bar you to revert it, it's up to you. Greetings,--Luxo 22:28, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

rotate very little

Hallo. Siehe bitte File:Vikaneset.jpg, das müßte leicht gegen den Uhrzeigersinn gedreht werden, vielleicht 10 Grad (getrunken habe ich nicht, das ist in Norwegen auf dem Schiff recht teuer, vielleicht kam eben eine Tsunamiwelle vorbei:-)). Ich kenne nichts das so arbeitet, alle Programme drehen um mindestens 90 Grad. Kannst Du da 'was tun? Danke, -jkb- (cs.source) 12:27, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Hallo, ich habe es mit GIMP um -2,87° gedreht, der Tsunami ist nun nicht mehr so sichtbar ;) . Gruss, --Luxo 21:45, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Spitze. Gimp habe ich mir notiert. Hab' vielen Dank! -jkb- (cs.source) 22:39, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Cropbot

Cropbot doesn't work, When I click on the crop button[1] it says: Cropbot File:

JavaScript and cookies must been enabled.--sk (talk) 16:19, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

It's not a browser or js-problem, this message (js and cookies) is every time there. The problem is the php session on the toolserver, ts-admins fix it shortly. Greetings,--Luxo 23:40, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
It's fixed, should not happen again.--Luxo 11:01, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

derivativeFX and OTRS

Hello there, I have a weird message pop up every time I try to use derivativeFX for file that have unusual license tags. One of the pictures that I've used while making this banner has special {{OTRS}} licence, and it seems like your tool doesn't know how to deal with it. Could you please do something about it? Thanks in advance. --Ahnode (talk) 19:20, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

the popup is fixed, reason was a Content-Type change of mediawiki. {{OTRS}} is not a license, it provides only a link to a verification mail that the image is really under the mentioned license. So your file is in fact a copyright violation because e.g. File:Jolanda keizer.jpg is licensed under GFDL, File:Poh Seng Song IVP.jpg and File:New York marathon Verrazano bridge.jpg under CC-by-sa, which are incompatible. OTRS was not right under "licenses" in the tool, I have fixed it. Greetings,--Luxo 23:26, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. Does this have to do anything with compatibility? And even before when I used the tool it would sometimes dismiss some of the licences and put up one of the latest present. So if you have any suggestions for me, please, I'd be glad to hear them. --Ahnode (talk) 00:03, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
After such a license migration it should be possible; but I'm not very sure about that; can you ask for this at Commons talk:Licensing? Greetings,--Luxo 11:00, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

derivativeFX stalls

Hi! I'm trying to upload a new version of File:Zimelidine.png that has been changed into SVG, but derivativeFX just "hangs" on clicking the OK, next button when I entered the file name in that pretty display page. Is this something that has to do with the fact that I use Safari? Where next Columbus? (talk) 15:37, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Oh, nevermind. Several minutes (!) after clicking the button, it finally continues. Thanks for the tool, by the way. Where next Columbus? (talk) 15:40, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
sometime Toolserver is overloaded.--Luxo 15:29, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

DW notice

It's nice to add DW notices on image pages (on which basis does the bot do it?), but it may look not so nice sometimes: [2] --Eusebius (talk) 06:55, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Will look what I can improve to made that better. for the basis see User:Bilderbot. Greetings,--Luxo 14:37, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

OTRS invitation

The OTRS system is looking for trusted volunteers to help staff our German-language image submission queue. I would like to invite you to look over what OTRS involves and consider signing up at the volunteering page. Thank you. MBisanz talk 00:26, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the confidence, but I think I will be not a big help because I'm a bit busy at the moment. Thanks, --Luxo 14:44, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

DerivativeFX problem with modified image from US federal government source

Hi, I'm having a problem uploading a modified version of an image I got from Wikimedia Commons ("Illu01_head_neck.jpg"). Although this image is in the public domain, I'm getting a "License not found" message when I enter the filename in DerivativeFX. Would you have you any suggestion for how I can get it past this point? I previously uploaded another modified image using DerivativeFX and found it very convenient by the way. Thanks.

It was a bug in the license detection script, It's fixed. Thanks, --Luxo 14:15, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Worked perfectly. Thanks a lot!

Bot added other version field when one already existed

You may want to review this edit wherein the bot added another "other version" paramater at the top of the information template. This would've been OK if the other other version was a derivative as well, but it was the original. Perhaps the original is not supposed to appear there?xeno talk 17:37, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

It was a bug, problem was that the O of | other_versions = was upper case, because of that he don't found the existing section. He is now case insensitivity. Thanks,--Luxo 11:10, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

CropBot Anregungen

Hallo Luxo! CropBot ist wirklich klasse, ich hab den CropBot-Link in meinem Monobook auf Commons drin, und nutze ihne recht oft ... wunderbar einfach und schnell :) Ein paar Anregungen hab ich auch noch:

  1. Der Bot könnte noch die beiden Vorlagen setzen: Template:Image extracted und Template:Extracted from.
  2. Ich hatte es schon häufiger, dass der Bot bei Wahl eines anderen Dateinamens vor den eigentlichen namen ein Minus (-) gesetzt hat, welches ich nciht angeben habe. Beispiel: File:-Fernsehstudio-Journalistengespraech-crop.jpg. Das Minus vor Fernseh... ist doch etwas unschön.
  3. Eine nette Kleinigkeit: Sobald man "overwrite actual file" deaktiviert, wäre es toll, wenn im Dateinamen-Feld ein Standard-Vorschlag stände, wie File:<alter-dateiname> (cropped).<endung>.

Lieben Gruss, --Nyks (talk) 15:19, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Hallo Nyks, danke für die Anregungen! Den Fehler mit dem Minus habe ich noch nicht nachvollziehen können, ich werde es mir später nochmals anschauen. Die anderen beiden Punkte werde ich machen. Gruss--Luxo 18:07, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Klasse :) Ich kann es auch noch nicht so ganz reproduzieren. Eigentlich dachte ich, dass der CropBot immer das Minus setzt, wenn man unter einem neuen Dateinamen speichert ... dies scheint aber doch nciht so zu sein. Es gibt aber etliche Beispiele mit Minus, nicht nur von mir:
PS: Ich schreib in die (obligatorische) Zusammenfassung meist "cropped", wäre das nicht auch eine sinnvolle Standard-Vorgabe? (ich bin ja sooo faul ;-) ).
--Nyks (talk) 10:59, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Juhu, die Standard-Summary gibt ja sogar schon drin *freu* --Nyks (talk) 16:53, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Ich glaube ich habe den Fehler mit dem minus herausgefunden; das Problem lag am umbenennen des Namespace von "Image:" auf "File:", weil ersteres ein Zeichen länger war. Da das Script den Namen ohne Namespace zum Uploaden braucht, werden die ersten 5 Zeichen abgeschnitten. Wenn nun jemand noch den alten Namespacenamen benutzt hat, Schnitt das Script den Doppelpunkt nicht ab ("Image:Beispiel.jpg" -> ":Beispiel.jpg"). Da dieser in Dateinamen nicht erlaubt ist, wandelt Mediawiki das nun automatisch in ein Minus um. Das Eingeben des alten Namespacenamen "Image:" ist nun gar nicht mehr möglich; daher sollte das Problem nicht mehr auftreten. Die anderen zwei Anregungen (defaultsummary + defaultfilename) habe ich ihm beigebracht. :-) Gruss,--Luxo 18:28, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Achja fast vergessen: Template:Extracted from setzt er auch, Template:Image extracted werde ich wohl Bilderbot beibringen, dieser setzt ja die Hinweise in die Originaldateien.--Luxo 18:36, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Genial, super ... vielen Dank! Und der Fehler ... ui, darauf muss man erstmal kommen. --Nyks (talk) 19:09, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Tool can't find GFDL licence

Hi there. I tried to upload a derivative of this, but the tool couldn't find a license on that page even though it clearly uses the GFDL. --P3d0 (talk) 00:49, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Thanks,--Luxo 15:08, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

DerivativeFX says I'm not logged in

Sorry if this is a basic question, but derivativeFX can't confirm that I'm logged in to Wikimedia Commons even though I am. Instead of showing me my user page, it displays the non-existent user page for my IP address. I'm using Firefox 3.0.10 on Ubuntu 9.04. -Jordon Kalilich (talk) 16:30, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

you can ignore that and test if the upload work; if not, you are not logged in. Greetings, --Luxo 13:17, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Licence-Problem

Drivative FX does not find a correct licence for this file, although it is PD: File:Complexe-plan-sekhemkhet.jpg --GDK (talk) 11:35, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Thanks, --Luxo 13:17, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Tool freezes

I'm trying to upload a derivative work for this image but the page freezes with the message "Loading... Please wait" (the one with the looping red circles). I'm using IE7 on XP_SP2. Thanks, Arinsau (talk) 18:12, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Works here, probably a temporary problem.--Luxo 16:04, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
It is happening again.--Rockfang (talk) 01:25, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
It may be a bug with IE 8.0. I switched to Safari 4.0, and it works fine.--Rockfang (talk) 01:45, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Tool can't find license

Hi, I am trying to upload a derivative of this file but the tool does not find the license, despite the fact that it is clearly marked {{PD-old}}. --Hispalois (talk) 10:42, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Thanks, --Luxo 13:17, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Login problem with cropbot

Hej, ich habe bereits einen TUSC-Account und versucht, mich mit den Daten hier einzuloggen. Alleridings bekomme ich nur die Fehlermeldung "A user with the name prolineserver already exist! Please note that this tool use the same login like gWatch. If you have a account there, you can use the login datas from there for login. If you don't have a account there, notify User:Luxo on his talkpage." Wenn ich dagegen ein falsches Passwort eingebe, erhalte ich "username or password not correct. It seems that you don't have a TUSC account. You can create one here." Aber dort wird mir dann wieder gesagt, ich haette schon 'nen Account :) --Prolineserver (talk) 08:58, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Das Problem ist, das Cropbot das selbe Login benutzt wie das Tool gWatch (wo du dich offenbar mal angemeldet hast, oder jemanden unter deinem Namen..?). Dort musstest du beim Anmelden ein Passwort eingeben, mit dem könntest du dich nun anmelden. Ich habe nun aber dieses Profil gelöscht, somit kannst du dich ganz normal mit dem TUSC-Passwort anmelden. Dies wird dann aber auch für gWatch übernommen, wenn du den also noch brauchst, musst du dich dort dann auch mit den TUSC-Logindaten anmelden. Ganz schön kopliziert, was? :)--Luxo 16:24, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
Mhh, muss mir entfallen sein :) Danke fuers zuruecksetzen, jetzt tut es. Gruss aus Stockholm, Prolineserver (talk) 12:07, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Hallo Luxo,
habe selbes Problem und bitte um Accountrücksetzung. Mich dünkt vorher keine Anmeldung bei gwatch gemacht zu haben, aber vielleicht erinnere ich mich auch nicht :) . Danke für Hilfe, Conny (talk) 18:43, 23 May 2009 (UTC).

Erledigt. --Luxo 20:20, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

No notice placed - bug.

Hi!
He will add the notice, see the button you checked: "Add a notice to the original file(s) about this derivative work. (by 'User:Bilderbot', at 02:00 UTC)"
a preview is not easy to develop, but I will add it to my ToDo-list, I will look what I can do.
Thanks for your feedback! Greetings, --Luxo 19:34, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
a preview is now available. --Luxo 19:26, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Danke & Gruss

Merci vielmals!

Hallo Luxo! Ich möchte heute einfach mal ein kleines Dankeschön loswerden. Dein Tool "DerivativeFX" macht mir das Wikimedia-Leben sehr viel leichter. Danke dafür! Gruss aus der Bundesstadt Bonn --Sir James (talk) 05:34, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Merci, schön zu hören dass es brauchbar ist :) Gruss aus der Bundesstadt Bern --Luxo 20:00, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks and a bug report

Thanks for the upload tool, but I'm having a bit of trouble uploading a derivative of File:Mnemosyne_1.x_logo.png. It properly recognizes the license on the "original files" page, but when I go to upload it has {{GPLv2 only}} marked under "Unknown templates". --L33tminion (talk) 04:33, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi, now it know what GPLv2 only is ;). Thanks, --Luxo 15:15, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Derivative FX

Hi. I wish to translate your Derivative FX interface into Italian language. If you send me the complete English interface text, I could translate it. Thank you--Trixt (talk) 15:00, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Tip: Categorizing images

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Hello, Luxo!
Tip: Add categories to your files
Tip: Add categories to your files

Thanks a lot for contributing to the Wikimedia Commons! Here's a tip to make your uploads more useful: Why not add some categories to describe them? This will help more people to find and use them.

Here's how:

1) If you're using the UploadWizard, you can add categories to each file when you describe it. Just click "more options" for the file and add the categories which make sense:

2) You can also pick the file from your list of uploads, edit the file description page, and manually add the category code at the end of the page.

[[Category:Category name]]

For example, if you are uploading a diagram showing the orbits of comets, you add the following code:

[[Category:Astronomical diagrams]]
[[Category:Comets]]

This will make the diagram show up in the categories "Astronomical diagrams" and "Comets".

When picking categories, try to choose a specific category ("Astronomical diagrams") over a generic one ("Illustrations").

Thanks again for your uploads! More information about categorization can be found in Commons:Categories, and don't hesitate to leave a note on the help desk.

BotMultichillT 05:58, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Derivative FX

Well, how to say... I must be stupid, or your tool [3] is really cryptic to use... Why isn't there any file picker ? What must we write after "file:" ??? Just wanna upload a corrected version of [4] (better centering) ...

--Tomates Mozzarella (talk) 07:39, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

If you like to overwrite the file, you don't need derivativeFX, then you can use the link "Upload a new version of this file" at the end of the description page. You can use derivativeFX if you like to upload it under a new file name. In this field you must enter the original file name, in this case it's "File:B1.svg" (direct link). Then derivativeFX creates for you the a description page for the new file. In step 3 you find your file picker for your work. :-) Greetings,--Luxo 14:26, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Thx for your very clear response ;-) Then, in fact my problem seems to be elsewhere since I can't find any "Upload a new version of this file" link on file description page, and anywhere else... I just have a "Edit this file using an external application" a the end of "File history" paragraph. Any idea where does it come from ? Because of my recent registration on WikiCommons ? Hum, maybe, I'll wait a few days...
--Tomates Mozzarella (talk) 02:32, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
Ah right that's the problem. You must have your account more than four days then you become the "Autoconfirmed"-flag to reupload pictures. This flag comes automatically after 4 days. Greetings, --Luxo 13:59, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Derivative FX - Adding derivative notification to original file

Hello. Is adding a derivative notification to the original file working? Itoes not seem to have happened on here 36 hours after uploading this -Arb. (talk) 14:38, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Probably you have a cache problem? He does it already at 6. August 2009, 04:04. Greetings, --Luxo 16:13, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
It's in my watchlist too - I missed it there as well. Thanks anyhow. -Arb. (talk) 11:24, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

derivativeFX bug – filename doesn’t display properly in message

Hi Luxo,

Thanks kindly for your fabulous derivativeFX tool – my life is infinitely improved because of it!

I’ve a bug to report:

  • The final “Thank you” message does not display properly if there is a space or & (don’t know which) in the uploaded filename.

Specifically, when uploading

File:Hastings & St Leonards RJD 100 - excerpt.jpg

the message I received was:

Your file Hastings  is going to Wikimedia:Commons.

I suspect that this is due to the & (note the trailing space on "Hastings ") – perhaps an easy fix?

Thanks again, and hope this helps!

Nils von Barth (nbarth) (talk) 01:00, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Rotatebot beschneidet Bilder

Hallo Luxo.
Mir ist aufgefallen, dass Rotatebot Bilder, wenn er sie umdreht, gleichzeitig beschneidet. Socket S1.jpg, Socket 7.jpg, Socket 7.JPG, Socket PGA370.JPG und Socket 462.saa.jpeg sind Bilder die ich mit {{Rotate}} getagged habe und verkleinert wurden. Diese Bilder sind vermutlich nicht die einzigen.
Hast du eine Ahnung wieso Rotatebot die Bilder (auch wenn es nur wenige Pixel sind) verkleinert?
mfg --D-Kuru (talk) 17:10, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Hallo D-Kuru, das Problem liegt am JPEG-Format. Dieses Speichert das Bild in kleinen 16x16px-Blocks, und wenn man das Bild verlustfrei drehen will, kann man dies nur an diesen Blockrändern machen. Geht es aber mit diesen 16-Pixel-Blocks nicht auf, gibt es einen Rand, der nicht gedreht werden kann, und der wird abgeschnitten. Normalerweise spielt das keine Rolle, da es sich maximal um 15px handelt - ausser das Bild ist wie im ersten Beispiel sehr klein, da merkt man es schon deutlich. Ich habe es (nicht verlustfrei) gedreht und neu hochgeladen. Mehr übers verlustfreie Editieren findest du hier. Gruss,--Luxo 16:30, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
bzw. hier auf Deutsch... :)--Luxo 16:39, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Hallo, du hattest diese Vorlage erstellt und da wollte ich mal fragen, ob ich diese verschieben dürfte. Ich würde sie gerne nach „Derivative versions“, da es ja zwei verschiedene Wörter (einmal Adjektiv und Nomen) und diese im Englischen nicht zusammengeschrieben werden, und „versions“ ein sogenanntes „general noun“ ist, das kleingeschrieben wird. Ich weiß, es ist nichts was zwingend gemacht werden muss, aber ich finde es halt immer in der korrektesten Schreibweise am schönsten. Da die Vorlage jedoch von deinem Bot benutzt wird, wollte ich vorher erstmal fragen, ob das überhaupt machbar ist? Ich persönlich hab nämlich keine Lust, wegen meinem Sinn für ganz korrekte Rechtschreibung die Bots zu zerstören. Sag mir Bescheid. (Übrigens, ich fand es sehr sympathisch, dass du die Vorlage nur halbgeschützt hast, und nicht voll, so wie es viele machen. Die momentan ca. 6000 Benutzungen machen nämlich bei den ca. 6,7 Millionen Seiten auf Commons grad mal eine Nutzung von 0,09% aus, was definitiv keine präventive Vollsperre rechtfertigt.) --The Evil IP address (talk) 17:25, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Hallo, natürlich ist das machbar und auch für den Bot kein Problem, solange die Weiterleitung bleibt. Ich weiss noch nicht wann ich dazukomme, dem Bot den neuen Namen beizubringen. Gruss,--Luxo 20:09, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
OK, gut bei diesen komplizierten Bots weiß man ja nie ;-) Ist jetzt entsprechend verschoben. --The Evil IP address (talk) 20:38, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Tip: Categorizing images

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Hello, Luxo!
Tip: Add categories to your files
Tip: Add categories to your files

Thanks a lot for contributing to the Wikimedia Commons! Here's a tip to make your uploads more useful: Why not add some categories to describe them? This will help more people to find and use them.

Here's how:

1) If you're using the UploadWizard, you can add categories to each file when you describe it. Just click "more options" for the file and add the categories which make sense:

2) You can also pick the file from your list of uploads, edit the file description page, and manually add the category code at the end of the page.

[[Category:Category name]]

For example, if you are uploading a diagram showing the orbits of comets, you add the following code:

[[Category:Astronomical diagrams]]
[[Category:Comets]]

This will make the diagram show up in the categories "Astronomical diagrams" and "Comets".

When picking categories, try to choose a specific category ("Astronomical diagrams") over a generic one ("Illustrations").

Thanks again for your uploads! More information about categorization can be found in Commons:Categories, and don't hesitate to leave a note on the help desk.

BotMultichillT 18:59, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Loading... please wait

Hallo Luxo,

versuche mich gerade am derviateFX, sehe aber in mehreren Versuchen seeeehr lange nur Loading... please wait nachdem ich den Dateinamen (Tübingen.JPG) eingebe. Browser ist IE7. Irgendeine Idee, woran das liegen könnte?

Gruß

--Studmult (talk) 08:43, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Jep, ich sehe es mit IE7 auch, kann das Problem aber noch nicht nachvollziehen. Danke für den Hinweis,--Luxo 09:11, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Hi Luxo,

First: thanks for providing this excellent service. Once in a while I come across a image that needs rotating.

Second: as frequently, one thinks of the first one only when it doesn't work. Possibly this is related to problems with MediaWiki updates from last week. -- User:Docu at 13:29, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Please test it again; I've applied a workaround which fixes Commonist and probably resolves similar issues with other upload tools. --brion (talk)
Luxo would need to look into this. (To use the bot, one just applies {{Rotate}} and every 6 hours all images with that template are rotated and the template removed. User:Rotatebot/Log shows the last completed operations.)
Currently, it seems to rotate the same image multiple times as the template isn't removed. -- User:Docu at 06:43, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
sorry, wasn't here this week, next time ask a Admin to block it if he makes such shitty things... It's fixed, he works again. Tank you, --Luxo 21:03, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. I watched it for two days and then asked someone to block it, but it didn't seem necessary to them either. It doesn't really matter in which direction the bumper stickers point .. and they were that way for two years ;) -- User:Docu at 21:12, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Please Note: ROTATEBOT is NOT working properly..... almost an entire day has passed since request for photo rotation, yet the photo remains in the WRONG position.

Guest disputant (talk) 18:21, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Luxo seems currently offline (see #Rotatebot above) and it may take some time until the bot will operate again. If it's urgent and as it's your own picture, you could rotate it and re-upload it. -- User:Docu at 18:30, 22 September 2009 (UTC)


My scanner has NOT been working -- and that is why I did not redo the photo scan. In other words, am dependent upon ROTATEBOT to do its magic but looks like it is defective. I suppose I should not be surprised, in all likelihood, the technology behind ROTATEBOT was never perfected, just a case of some tech promoter selling Wikipedia a program that probably never worked properly. I promised various concerned parties that I would rectify this matter but am wasting too much time addressing an issue that I rather doubt will be corrected. It's been my experience that Wikipedia simply ignores complaints when it is not motivated to pay attention to them.

Guest disputant (talk) 20:33, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Two entire days have passed and ROTATEBOT continues to be defective and WikiMedia continues to ignore my request for assistance. I would say my previous point has been validated.

Guest disputant (talk) 18:31, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Ok, appears that ROTATEBOT finally succeeded in rotating the picture. Not sure why it took so long but, in any case, it is done, thanks.

Guest disputant (talk) 20:21, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

...finally it was Common Good who did it, not Rotatebot. He is back again, see #Rotatebot above.. Greetings,--Luxo 21:06, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
ps: the technology behind ROTATEBOT is surely not perfect, but most of time it works. To sell this program to wikimedia is a good idea, after all a nonprofit organization must swim in money... If you like a better feature for rotating, I recommend you to click on this link to open up new vistas with mediawiki. Greetings,--Luxo 19:50, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

The derivative works tool

Hi, I tried to use it, and added 5 original flickr works with the same GFDL license, but it dost work. It asks me to open a php page, which doesnt help. What might be the problem? Thanks. Suede67 (talk) 10:05, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

hmm can you specify which images?--Luxo 16:37, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
Sorry for the lateness. I managed to figure out what the problem was, incompatible licenses, i got thme figured, and te tool worked, thank you! Suede67 (talk) 12:01, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Hi, I'm trying to use the tool. I have modified file:Hild Bede Boat Club Blade.svg to produce a new blade image. I input (using copy and paste) the original file name and it starts doing its thing asking me to wait. It then sits there for ages until I give up waiting. Help please. Thanks, --Teach46 (talk) 16:09, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Hm it's a problem with internet explorer, I'll try to fix it. thanks,--Luxo 16:24, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
It's fixed, it should work now. Greetings, --Luxo 11:44, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
It does work - thanks for the help!--Teach46 (talk) 15:31, 4 October 2009 (UTC)


I can't get it to work with IE9 or FireFox. FotoPhest (talk) 23:41, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Can you explain your problem a bit more precise? Which image? Which error?--Luxo 14:16, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm afraid I'm having trouble with derivativeFX as well. Below is a list of the images I am trying to put into the tool's form. It is able to determine the licenses correctly, but after I hit "OK - Next", nothing happens for a long time, then I'm asked to save a PHP file. I'm using Firefox 3.5.4 on Linux. --LarryGilbert (talk) 00:38, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Addendum: I get much the same result with Firefox 3.5.4 in Mac OS X, except that in the end I'm given a blank page with the same PHP file name in the URL. --LarryGilbert (talk) 14:31, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
Hi LarryGilbert, thank you, the problem should be fixed. The problem was that derivativeFX search for each image categorys with commonsense, and commonsense is slow -> php stops the process because of the long time. Greetings,--Luxo 20:08, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Re: Unlinked images

I did the unlinking for purely practical reasons: Links to image description pages aren't useful on the upload forms. The copyright issue isn't something I considered. Given the fact that images used as icons (such as File:Cscr-featured.svg) generally do not link back to the image in usage on WM projects, I think my edits reflect the current conventions. Seems like my edits triggered a discussion over on the VP (and I wasn't informed about it...). I suggest discussion goes there rather than our talk pages.--Nilfanion (talk) 22:39, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Cropbot not working

Hi Luxo, just to inform you that Cropbot appears to be malfunctioning. While it will successfully upload the image and allow for cropping, when the crop preview window opens, nothing is shown, and it errors out if you try to save. It looks like the cropped image isn't be saved internally by the bot, but that's just a guess. I really do love this tool...perhaps my favourite of all toolserver tools. Huntster (t @ c) 22:08, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

hmm here it works. Which image generates the error?--Luxo 22:22, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
Specifically, I was trying to crop File:Oasis of the Seas, October 30 2009.jpg using lossless (went ahead and manually cropped it though), but I'll note I've not been able to successfully use the bot in several weeks, with this exact same problem. I'll hit "Ok - crop this file" and it will appear to be processing and then just give up. Huntster (t @ c) 22:31, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
Addendum: Appears that it is the lossless function that is messing up. I just tried three different images with lossless, and none worked. Tried the same three images with "crop exactly", and it did seem to work. Huntster (t @ c) 22:35, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
Ok, thanks, I've found the bug > https://jira.toolserver.org/browse/TS-379 . If it's done it should work again. Greetings, --Luxo 10:18, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
Fantastic, thanks Luxo. Huntster (t @ c) 16:42, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

derivativeFX not working when new image is derived from two images

Twice I had two images that derivativeFX failed to upload. Both times, the images were derived from two separate images (a PNG providing visual information and an SVG providing map data). The last step seemed to work, but the page that should have contained the image didn't exist. The final page simply sent me to Special:Upload rather than the image page. Will (Talk - contribs) 15:05, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

If the last step works, it's irrelevant how many images are provided, the data type too. There is no error message on the Special:Upload form? It could happen if your file is broken, but then you see a error message there. What browser do you use? --Luxo 17:40, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

DerivativeFX for videos?

Is it possible to get it to work with videos? Videos often need to be downconverted from a high resolution file (which can be 30MB) to a more streamable file that is just a few megs. mahanga (talk) 22:39, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

It works now with videos too. Thanks,--Luxo 15:37, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
Thank you, I'll give it a try sometime this week. mahanga (talk) 14:31, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Cropping files with quotes in the filename?

I'm trying to crop File:Jeff "Swampy" Marsh.jpg, but I'm not able to. The Firefox javascript console gives some errors. I'm able to crop other files. Bug maybe? Thanks, mahanga (talk) 17:53, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Jep, a bug. I'll fix it, Thanks --Luxo 15:21, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

rotated image not rotated on Wikipedia article

Something odd is happening at this[5] Wikipedia page, where (when I look) the image shows rotated, but the commons image is not rotated. Have you seen this happen before? I can't figure out how to fix it. If you know, and have the time to spare, I could use some help. Thanks. SaltyBoatr (talk) 18:12, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

That's a cache problem, you can purge the image and reload the page, then you see it correct. --Luxo 19:27, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

derivativeFX not recognizing CC0

I get this

your images can't be merged!
The licenses are incompatible or the licenses can't be detected.
See above for all license tags the tool found for this images:
* File:Richard_D._Feinman_at_GSA_2009.jpg 2
o {{Cc-zero}} 1
1.)Unknown templates
2.)no known license found for this image!

Mike Linksvayer (talk) 04:49, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Fixed, Thanks!--Luxo 13:23, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
Many thanks for the fix, I've already used a couple times. And thanks for derivativeFX generally, a great and important tool! --Mike Linksvayer (talk) 17:27, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

DerivativeFX in Spanish

Hi!

I usually work with the Graphic Lab from the spanish Wikipedia. I was wondering if there is any chance that DerivativeFX could be translated to Spanish. If it's possible, I would provide the translation myself.

--Mircalla22 (talk) 04:56, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

https://svn.toolserver.org/svnroot/luxo/derivativeFX/language.php - you can translate it and send it to luxo [at] toolserver [dot] org. Please note that this file is utf8-encoded, so please use a utf8-editor. Greetings,--Luxo 10:21, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

WARNING: DANGER! DANGER WIL ROBINSON!!!!

status...

update:

loss of control...

rotatebot = failure

rotatebot is offline

"out of order"

"we are experiencing technical difficulties, please stand by"

"Houston, we have a problem"

(the bot is not rotating anything

thought you might want to know/was wondering what the problem was... ?)

;)


Lx 121 (talk) 13:38, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

oh, I haven't see it. The problem was File:Abe-no-nakamaro2.png, which is very big (13MB), the upload has exhausted my allowed memory size on the TS. I've rotated it manually. Greetings,--Luxo 23:07, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
danke! what is the max filesize rotatebot can handle anyway?
also, a heads up; this cat: Category:One_Hundred_Poets has a number of large files requiring rotation. there are also lower-resolution version of the files which have been rotated, apparently. however, i think it's probably desirable to rotate the higher-quality versions (some of which also should be joined together, to make complete images). the files under 2mb i shall add to rotatebot; the rest i leave to you?

Lx 121 (talk) 14:14, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

It was the PHP-Limit, I have enhanced it, it should work now with this big images too. Greetings,--Luxo 18:13, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
thanks for rotating the rest of the images :)
& sry it's taken me so long to write back; things have been busy here
Lx 121 (talk) 18:59, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
no problem. :) Greetings,--Luxo 19:33, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Cropbot broken

When I try to use cropbot, it says that it cannot find the "cropped image" in its cache folder and it refuses to continue. The preview is also not visible. TheDJ (talk) 14:36, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

The problem is only if you "crop lossless", the reason you will find here.--Luxo 23:09, 11 December 2009 (UTC)