User talk:Jonesey95

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Replied there. Thanks for the notice. Jonesey95 (talk) 03:32, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

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Autopatrol given

Hello. I just wanted to let you know that I have granted autopatrol rights to your account; the reason for this is that I believe you are sufficiently trustworthy and experienced to have your contributions automatically marked as "reviewed". This has no effect on your editing, it is simply intended to make it easier for users that are monitoring Recent changes or Recent uploads to find unproductive edits amidst the productive ones like yours. In addition, the Flickr upload feature and an increased number of batch-uploads in UploadWizard, uploading of freely licensed MP3 files, overwriting files uploaded by others and an increased limit for page renames per minute are now available to you. Thank you. —‍Mdaniels5757 (talk • contribs) 22:59, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Template editor given

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—‍Mdaniels5757 (talk • contribs) 22:59, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Mdaniels5757: Thanks for helping me. I have made six Linter-related edits in Template space since being granted this user right, and the number of total Linter errors has already decreased from 12.9 million to 11.5 million. Jonesey95 (talk) 02:38, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Under 10 million at this time stamp, and falling fast with just 89 total edits (some of them non-Linter-related) since this talk page section was created. Jonesey95 (talk) 06:35, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

8.0 million as of this time stamp. Jonesey95 (talk) 16:33, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

7.0 million as of this time stamp (and the job queue is still lowering the number in the background), accomplished with only 448 edits since I started Linter-related edits here at 22:24, 24 October 2022 UTC, just 49 hours ago. It is amazing that Linter error tracking has been around since mid-2018 and nobody appears to have taken a serious crack at fixing errors in transcluded pages. Jonesey95 (talk) 23:37, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

6.0 million as of this time stamp. Time to take a break. Jonesey95 (talk) 16:37, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Just under 5.0 million as of this time stamp, thanks to the efforts of a few other gnomes. There are still plenty of pages with errors and a few hundred transclusions, but not very many with 10,000 or more. Also, a few fixes to widely transcluded modules and templates have resulted in null edits to pages that were not in the lists before, leading to increased Linter counts (i.e. the numbers on the table were artificially low before). See the bug report to the right

Tracked in Phabricator
Task T157670

for the ugly details. There is plenty of easy work to do from here, but many edits will result in fixing just one to 10 errors instead of thousands. Making significant headway from here will probably require some bot work. Jonesey95 (talk) 06:14, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

One year later: 4.8 million errors. We need some bots around here. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:01, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

center linting

I had to undo a few changes to made to some centuries templates since they contained the | symbol, the use of the center table wouldn't work directly. If you change them all to {{!}} at the same time then it will though. -- WOSlinker (talk) 08:31, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. The fun never ends. I almost always catch these in Preview or after saving, but I missed these. Jonesey95 (talk) 13:00, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Lint fixing

Hello, thanks for fixing lint errors here on commons. However, I would like to notify you that some of your fixes doesn't change anything (e.g. special:Diff/699642578) and creates some unnecessary breaks in the translation system. Do exercise more caution in future. Thanks. --Minorax^«¦talk¦» 02:28, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. I don't remember which page led me to that edit at {{QIC-N}}. I admit that I find the translation system a bit of a mystery, and except in the most obvious cases, it can be tricky to see how to make the right change. Can you point me to a how-it-works guide that can explain the placement of the translate tags, the T-# numbering system, why some sets of templates take the form Template:Foo/xx and some take the form Template:Foo/i18n, and how Fuzzybot knows when a page is ready to be retranslated to sibling language templates? Thanks. Jonesey95 (talk) 04:33, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

By the way, I recommend the LintHint script, which you can find in my common.js. It helps to prevent the introduction of new Linter errors, as happened in this edit. Be careful out there. Jonesey95 (talk)

mw:Help:Extension:Translate might help, just a rough guideline would be to refrain from editing anything within <translate>...</translate> unless necessary and thanks for the fix at Special:Diff/701320740. --Minorax^«¦talk¦» 03:18, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll check it out. I also found Help:Autotranslate, which I will dig into. Jonesey95 (talk) 03:21, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Easy Linter patterns for bots to fix

center+gallery in categories: 776 pages

center with font-size:[0-9]+pt (convert to div with font-size:small): 600 pages

Up to 17,000 pages with three missing div tags. Probably fixable with a regex. This is 1% of the 5 million remaining errors.

2,838 pages with sup tag that needs moving inside header.

98,109 pages with missing </b> tag, one subset is 2,091 pages (probably more subsets to make for easier batching of edits)

300,000 pages with one to three sets of tt tags in a welcome message; replace with ‎<code>...‎</code>, ‎<samp>...‎</samp>, and {{Tlc}}, like this. This is about 10% of the 5 million remaining Linter errors on Commons.

Tricky Linter problems to fix

• {{En}} and similar indented with an asterisk causes one missing end tag and one stripped tag error, but not always.
• {{Subspecies}} indented with an asterisk causes one missing end tag and one stripped tag error. This may be fixable at the template level.
• {{Hidden}} causes div-span-flip errors. I have a possible fix in the sandbox, and it changed the display, possibly for the better. More testcases are needed, since this template is used on 450,000 pages.
• {{Info}} when used with block content, as at Category:Copa Sudamericana. Fixed with div tags, but self-reverted due to problems with in-line rendering. The root problem is that this template, intended as an in-line template, is being misused.
• {{Aircraft cat}} as used at Category:Black and blue aircraft. 2,500 transclusions.
• {{Restriction-Layout}} and the other *-Layout templates listed at Fostered content.
• Templates that create a table or a ‎<div>...‎</div> block, when placed inside {{Information}} or {{Artwork}}, can cause table-related Linter errors, because many fields inside those templates expect transcluded templates to be wrapped with ‎<tr>...‎</tr>. Examples include {{Personality rights}}, which has over one million transclusions. When it is placed outside of {{Information}}, as in this edit, these templates work fine, but when they are inside, as in this page revision, they can cause three or more Linter errors.
  • A widely used example of this sort of template can be seen in this revision, where {{Location}} is used inside {{Specimen}} instead of below it. The template documentation specifically says to place {{Location}} directly below {{Information}} or similar templates. A bot or patient AWB editor should be able to fix these.
• Whatever is causing div tag errors and misrendered bullets in the Inscription at Category:Portrait of Margaret van Eyck, File:Duke-chandos-first.jpg, and similar pages. The code misnests bullets and div tags, and pulls information from Wikidata. It may be something called from within {{Artwork}}. I have made a few changes (on 2 April 2023), and most pages are better, but some pages may still be broken. Basically, there is an asterisk with div tags trying to format the text that comes after it, but some of that text spans multiple lines, which makes a closing div tag exist at a different level from the asterisk. It's a fundamentally bad design and implementation. Probably the only real solution is to remove the asterisks entirely. I think the asterisk comes from Module:Wikidata art, in the section starting "if more than one than return bulleted list", but I am wary of bypassing that section because it may work fine in most cases, and that module has 14 million(!) transclusions. Maybe we could edit Module:Artwork to strip the bullets from "data.inscriptions" at line 977.
• {{BANQ media}} (4,800 transclusions, three errors each) fails to close a table at the right spot, then adds coordinates in a new table outside of any table cell. It looks like it is coming from {{Artwork}}, but that template and module are a mystery. (Note: Possibly from {{Geoloc}}.)
  • This also happens in {{Specimen}}, e.g. at File:20230811Cirsium oleraceum1.jpg.
• How to fix {{Building address}} used in |Location=.
• {{PD-user-w}} causes multi-colon errors at e.g. File:Louhans toit église.jpg. It may be caused by a call to {{Project link}} that results in an empty project and an empty page title instead of a default "en" and "Main Page". I haven't figured out where it happens, though. This appears to cause problems in about 2,000 File pages.

Errors in Layout

Hello! I've seen your update Revision of 358285372. For example the template {{Object description}} use the template {{NoImageNotes}} inline. Replacing span by div changes the layout. IMO not a good idea. I'm looking for a solution, but I can't find it. --XRay 💬 05:33, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

My solution: Template {{NoImageNotes}} removed at {{Object description}}. Another solution could be: div with display: inline-block;. --XRay 💬 05:38, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks; your fix looks reasonable. I have found many templates using span tags to wrap div tags, and many others that are intended for use within {{Information}} but are used without it (or that need to be outside of {{Information}} but are used inside it). I have fixed some of them, but others will probably require a bot or a patient editor to fix each page individually. See the above sections for a few examples. Jonesey95 (talk) 07:03, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

BTW: I've found the same problem at {{Title}}. I've no solution yet. An idea could be to add a parameter for inline use of the template. --XRay 💬 09:08, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

That could be an option. Can you link to a page where {{Title}} renders differently from before? Jonesey95 (talk) 14:06, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

TT is not the same as CODE

Kindly undo this and all other such “corrections”. -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 08:29, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

I chose to replace the obsolete ‎<tt>...‎</tt> with ‎<code>...‎</code> in that edit because it matches the formatting used by {{Bsq}} immediately above the text that I modified. If you think a better tag, like ‎<kbd>...‎</kbd> or {{Mono}}, is appropriate, you are welcome to use it. Jonesey95 (talk) 14:30, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

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Seriously, don’t. -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 00:11, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

So you want errors on your User page? Those were not obsolete tag errors; the first fix was for a high-priority self-closed tag, and the second was a medium-priority misnested tag (‎<s>...‎</s> is invalid when used to wrap multi-line or block content). If you don't like it, you'll have to take it up with the Wikimedia developers, not with me. After your misguided revert, that user page is now the only page on all of Commons with a self-closed tag error. I will try to remember to let someone else come along and fix it, but I can't promise that I will remember. Jonesey95 (talk) 13:16, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

kbd

Hi. Saw you changed the <tt> tag in my signature to <kbd. While I understand kbd currently results in text that looks similar to tt, isn't it often styled to look like keyboard keys or whatnot? Seems like it wouldn't be a safe long-term bet, no? I'm also curious why fixing linter errors isn't a bot task? Maybe that's a can of worms... — Rhododendrites ^talk |  16:33, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

I don't know of any Linter-fixing bots on Commons. They would be very welcome, at least by me. Maybe Legoktm would be willing to jump through the hoops and tidy up obsolete tags and other bot-fixable patterns. As far as I can tell, almost nobody has been fixing Linter errors on Commons since they first started being tracked in 2017 or 2018. I found Linter errors in templates with hundreds of thousands of transclusions when I started working here less than a year ago (see my notes to myself above). I got the total error count down from 13 million to 5 million, but progress has been slower since then, as the low-hanging fruit is now only available at ladder height or via mechanized equipment (aka a bot).

As for ‎<kbd>...‎</kbd>, that is why I suggested "using this method or an equivalent one" in my edit summary. A method that you might like better is: <span style="font-family: monospace, monospace;">[[User:Rhododendrites|<span style="font-size:90%;letter-spacing:1px;text-shadow:0px -1px 0px Indigo;">Rhododendrites</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:Rhododendrites|talk]]</sup></span> Jonesey95 (talk) 16:40, 7 September 2023 (UTC)