User talk:Huntster/Archive 16

Duplicate or not? (investigation continues)

Until I opened the special discussion page (see my proposals above), I report in a separate topic here. I've got the fresh example! Both pseudo-duplicates are now sitting side-by-side in my upload directory and one of them is already uploaded here so you may compare their EXIF's manually.

1. https://mars.nasa.gov/mars2020-raw-images/pub/ods/surface/sol/00274/ids/edr/browse/heli/HSF_0274_0691264521_226ECM_N0160001HELI00000_000085J01.png
2. https://mars.nasa.gov/mars2020-raw-images/pub/ods/surface/sol/00274/ids/edr/browse/heli/HSF_0274_0691264521_226ECM_N0160001HELI00000_000085J02.png

The link to “…85J01” was obtained from UMSF. Thanks to PaulH51 from Malaysia for bringing this link promptly (I always said that monitoring forums is a due, and 'monitoring' doesn't mean 'referencing')! After I informed the 'helicopter community' at UNSF about the first 'not-flight ground color image', colleagues started their “Original investigation” ))) - for what purpose Ingenuity began taking ground photos from 13cm distance. Phil supposes (same thread, above) that JPL may have started investigating phenomena of the X-shape shadow that stayed on the ground after one of departures (see this animation). — Cherurbino (talk) 19:03, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

P.S. „Editor’s choice“

Go to the new category I've created recently, open this image in 1:1 resolution, and proceed directly to the point (3445,1052). Isn't it nice, this small panda-colored stone? However, Perseverance has no non-destructive instruments to bring it to the Earth for the closer examination. Cherurbino (talk) 19:26, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Cherurbino: According to http://exif.regex.info/, both images have exactly the same EXIF data, are exactly the same bit size. In fact, they have exactly the same hashes (SHA-1: ebeec375caa5b366acb7c6172502a182ff33e7c0), meaning they are in fact the exact same file. So, it's very curious.

Hah, what an interesting little stone. It must either be of a different composition from the others surrounding it, or be very young to not have oxidised like the others. — Huntster (t @ c) 20:02, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Huntster, I'm amazed that Phil Stooke is the only man who is remembered whatever edit in en-wiki I do. It's not the WP:AGF clause which concerns me most in this case. Sometimes I feel that all my efforts in searching for new NASA's materials (including maps) and uploading them to Commons are in vain. The 'supervisors' of the articles never go to Commons; they don't query with new uploads in our catalogues. If Cherurbino describes the helicopter's route, the only assumption is that he again promotes the damned maps from UMSF. However I physically cannot bring all the maps into the article! They never thanked me for improving theit tables, for writing from the scratch the new chapters (like Ingenuity Team of Ingenuity imagery). Maybe it's my strategic mistake to involve myself into the alien wiki? -- Cherurbino (talk) 10:40, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

To be blunt, the sometimes extreme ownership issues and vitriol are some of the reasons I rarely visit, much less contribute, to en.wiki anymore. — Huntster (t @ c) 13:43, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

First of all, lots of thanks for another entry in my glossary. Vitriolǃ Never heard or read before in such context. Now I know.

Second, not inspiring me from any side. Still no information about 17th flight anonced for Dec.5 → the work upon the new color drawing (elevations of Ingenuity's helidroms + max flight heights before landing at them) halted. This frees up time for me to do much less creative things that I would not have had time for otherwise.

Preliminary case nameː “Is it WPːOR-illegal to describe flghts' routes using commonly available official maps?”

My view: “Permissible, not illegal. Applying WP:OR to maps' inscription is unmotivated and unduly extends the scope of WP:OR which is applicable to construction of original conclusions based on third sources, while writing and using toponyms contains no elements of construction / convincing etc. It is merely a routine procedure for delivering unambiguous and indisputable information from reliable sources.”

Question. What's the standard 'mailbox' for such protests against the actions / motivations of third users? I think of WP:VPP — is there a better alternative? — Cherurbino (talk) 04:16, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Cherurbino, I apologize, I thought I'd already responded to you here. My mind is falling apart. VPP is probably as good a place as any, but to be honest I always avoided going to those boards because of the toxicity I always saw there. So, I can't say which would be best. — Huntster (t @ c) 18:42, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

spectrum.ieee.org

Hi, Huntsterǃ In a few wordsː what are the perspectives of this image, located in this article of famous Evans, whom I quote often and now need to illustrate the quotation from his last interview with one NASA spec.

There are lots of good images in his article; the one I need may be quickly reached with a text search of this caption he kindly providesː

Image taken by Ingenuity of the hill Perseverance had planned to climb, which helped the rover planning team decide to drive around the hill instead. NASA/JPL-Caltech

The sacred words NASA/JPL-Caltech without any additions inspire me))). However prudentiality whispers me to be afraid of the things which seem too simple )). Are there any grounds for my fears and what are your recommendations for this case? Thanks in advance, — Cherurbino (talk) 14:56, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

If uploaded, the image from Evans' article may be marked as the version of File:Ingenuity flight 12 sol 174 LMST 13h 25m 08s.png inheriting all the technical descriptions from my original file upload. — Cherurbino (talk) 15:06, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Cherurbino: I agree that the image in question seems to be good. It's a little vague, but there is no indication they are claiming any additional credit for the changes they made. To be polite, however, I would include the credit as "NASA/JPL-Caltech; additional editing by IEEE Spectrum".

Regarding images like File:Ingenuity flight 12 sol 174 LMST 13h 25m 08s.png, always remember to try and link to the original file (https://mars.nasa.gov/mars2020/multimedia/raw-images/HSF_0174_0682390572_664ECM_N0120001HELI00003_000085J) rather than just the gallery page. It makes it easier on re-users. Interestingly, a colour-enhanced version of this file also exists at https://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA24801, if you have any interest in it. — Huntster (t @ c) 18:55, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Huntster, re.ː additional editing by IEEE Spectrum — it's OK, I certainly shall add something, but let's think together whom to reward specifically. “Spectrum” is merely a «publishing institution» (don't know the correct term), but the person who drew circles is not the respected Evan Ackerman. My experience in the 'editorial board' of one purely scientific magazine says it was the person being "interviewed" - that is Olivier Toupet at NASA/JPL, the 'senior driver' for Mars rovers. He was modest enough to add his name )) - his present position at JPL as the supervisor of the Robotic Aerial Mobility group (which includes key members of the Mars Helicopter team) is too high to count each circles drawn as "science input". I know how these “interviews” are “pancaked”ː editor sends scientist a framework of points to be touched in his article, scientist writes whatever he considers valuable, embellishing the text with pictures (same I do here with my articles), drawing arrows, circles etc. upon necessity.

In these circumstances Olivier Toupet deserves no less thanks than Spectrum )) However his “added value” is already encompassed with the «NASA/JPL» clause because in the article he acts as the senior official who presents the results of the collective work. Hypothetically it could be the charming Vandi Verma who has chosen the way for Percy at her shift, and Toupet “drew the circle” afterwards… Details are unknown )) the only name known from the article is Olivier Toupet as the impersonation of collective thought and action. — I don't insist, I only askː if we thank 'Spectrum', shall we thank Toupet as well? — Cherurbino (talk) 01:47, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Cherurbino: That's a good point. I don't know the intricacies as you do, but if what you say is true, then simply "NASA/JPL-Caltech" should suffice. Since we don't know who precisely to attribute, then it is often better to not mis-attribute anyone. — Huntster (t @ c) 03:35, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Huntster, re.ː version of this file ... at photojournal...PIA24801 — thank you so much for this sudden finding! I've just uploaded it despite of my personal disappointment with its artistic qualities. Evan Ackerman+Olivier Toupet were 1000 times right choosing the original rawǃ It helps to feel the depth, the volume while the 'enhanced' version is flat and blind.

I placed the 'derivative' template/link to it onto the original File:Ingenuity flight 12 sol 174 LMST 13h 25m 08s.png to let the people know that the worse version is available. Cherurbino (talk) 03:11, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Cherurbino: I agree regarding quality and depth, but I also appreciate giving people options. — Huntster (t @ c) 03:46, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

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Hi, Huntsterǃ Merry Xmas (already passed) and Happy New Year (still pending)ǃ There's no need to spare the words - archives show by themself the tremendous help and assistance to all good and noteworthy. On another side, recent challenges (including new delete requests for my old uplads, including the anonimous (do these damned anonyms have a shame? or are they so coward to unveil their faces?)) show me the way out of here more and more clear. My today's upload was an exlision, a tribute to those who cooperate with me in improving Wikipedia. Alas, my health is not improving - just an hour ago I returned from the surgeon who finished (at lastǃ) a series of 6 day-to-day operations which followed after an extraordinary 'cutout' of one sad thing out of my back. In these circumstances I'm not a warrior. — Best wishes to you, your family and friends in the New Yearǃ — Sincerely, Cherurbino (talk) 09:43, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Regarding the anonymous users, while I agree they can be an annoyance, some folks simply have no interest in registering an account. I remember years and years ago expressing similar irritation with them, and one laid out very clearly why they didn't, and it made complete sense. I only wish I could remember the pertinent details, or where it took place. Age is taking its toll on me.

What is your issue with the recent nominations? If they're correct that the book was published in 1934 and the author died in 1971, then it is not public domain. What am I missing?

I do hope you recover quickly. Doctors are no fun! Take a break, rest and relax, recharge your batteries. This will all be here later, so focus on yourself. — Huntster (t @ c) 14:11, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

How we will see unregistered users

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Hunga Tonga File

Hi Huntster, thx for your advice :) In that case I think I'd like to go with your suggestion: since the original file was named "Tonga Volcano Eruption 2022-01-15 0410Z to 0550Z.gif" it would be sensible to name it "Tonga Volcano Eruption 2022-01-15 0410Z to 0550Z scale and timestamp.gif", if you can't see any problem with that.

and thx for your help with that links :) That way it is far mor obvious.

Concerned files:

original animation File:Tonga_Volcano_Eruption_2022-01-15_0410Z_to_0550Z.gif

edited version File:Hunga_tonga.gif

If there are still things to be done to this procedure, please let me know!

Thx a lot! :) Ellutan (talk) 03:33, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Ellutan, done! I think once you have a certain number of edits, you'll be able to do this as well with the "Move" button at the top of an image page. Moving should be done cautiously, especially if it is in use, but it's fine to correct an uploading mistake (for example). See Commons:File renaming for a more lengthy explanation and best practices. — Huntster (t @ c) 05:09, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Thx a lot! :) -ellutan [ talk ] 10:59, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

confusion over location of the nauka outfitting called means of attachment of large payloads

Hello Huntster and Jrcraft Yt,

I know this may be a unknown case for both of you but please help me in this investigation on Russian orbital segment (even with the help of sources i provide in this page)

there is a confusion over location of the nauka outfitting called means of attachment of large payloads, whether it is on nauka, rassvet or earth.

in jonathan mcdowell's page https://planet4589.org/space/iss/iss.txt

the items launched with rassvet are

2010-019 A07725 Rassvet 6295.0 AO A07725 Rassvet Launch aboard 2010-019A

Atlantis (STS-132) Attached to S25544 Zarya since 2010 May 18 1240

2010-019 A07726 MLM Airlock 900.0 AO A07725 Rassvet (MIM-1) Launch aboard 2010-019A

Atlantis (STS-132) Attached to A07725 Rassvet since 2010 May 18 1240

2010-019 A07727 MLM Radiator 570.0 AO A07725 Rassvet (MIM-1) Launch aboard 2010-019A

Atlantis (STS-132) Attached to A07725 Rassvet since 2010 May 18 1240

2010-019 A07728 ERA EJ 150.0 AO A07725 Rassvet (MIM-1) Launch aboard 2010-019A

Atlantis (STS-132) Attached to A07725 Rassvet since 2010 May 18 1240

2010-019 A07729 ERA PWP 100.0 AO A07725 Rassvet (MIM-1) Launch aboard 2010-019A

Atlantis (STS-132) Attached to A07725 Rassvet since 2010 May 18 1240

2010-019 A07735 STS-132 ISS Consumables 507.0 AO IN A08069 ISS Generic Cargo Launch aboard 2010-019A

Atlantis (STS-132) Attached to A08069 ISS Generic Cargo since 2010 May 16 1618

2010-019 A07736 STS-132 ISS Up Cargo (STS) 592.0 AO IN A08069 ISS Generic Cargo Launch aboard 2010-019A

Atlantis (STS-132) Attached to A08069 ISS Generic Cargo since 2010 May 16 1618

but i think no Russian launch was ever conducted in which progress was supposed to launch with payloads except for poisk and prichal nor has been a American launch for a Russian payloads to iss.

http://en.roscosmos.ru/22263/ So the line, " the means of fastening large-sized objects, as well as an airlock and a radiation heat exchanger will be installed currently located on the Rassvet Mini Research Module."

(from now I am referring this module outfitting, means of fastening large-sized objects I am discussing as moflso)

May mean about the moflso separately and not on rassvet

Next comes whether it is on nauka Or not

1st image is this that shows a Russian version of image in the right corner is the moflso

Google Translates this as this image. I don't know what is tgk but since it says tgk it means it wwas not launched along with nauka.

Finally a person published a more clarified translation on forum.nasapaceflight.com that is the this image. It says Tgk as a cargo freighter that is progress ms only as moflso will be attached to iss in August 2022.

So is this moflso actually on iss Or will be transported this year. Please help me out as these days I am the only manager of this en-wikipedia structure diagram on iss page as no one updates it these days except me

Thank you and I wish anyone of you may help me out with this problem.Chinakpradhan (talk) 04:55, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

i also need to solve this out as from 6 months i thought it to be on iss by the line "the means of fastening large-sized objects, as well as an airlock and a radiation heat exchanger will be installed currently located on the Rassvet Mini Research Module." but if it is not on iss then i have to create a separate section in iss planed components subsection like axiom module Chinakpradhan (talk) 06:24, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Chinakpradhan, I honestly cannot determine whether it has been transported or not. The wording at http://en.roscosmos.ru/22263/ is grammatically broken so it is ambiguous, and I've never seen cargo manifests for Russian missions. I also don't read or speak Russian, so I really don't pay much attention to activities at Roscosmos. — Huntster (t @ c) 16:46, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Ok Chinakpradhan (talk) 17:20, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

File:Rover Curiosity - sample handling arm.jpg plus 2 more

Hi, Huntster. This is me, sure you recognized. I'm alive and healthy. I recovered. Recovering after physiological problems with heart, bones etc. is easy. Unlike medical diseases the moral damage is often unrecoverable, and here Wiki is one of these cases. Before New year I decided to cease all officially signed activities in all Wiki projects. I shall not upgrade my barn-starred articles to the higher stars, I shall not upload any new pictures and animations to Commons. However I could not entirely part with the "chimera of conscience" )), randomly adding basic info about new flights - as an anonym, like here.

As you see from this message, my "chimera of conscience" did not disappear from Commons, as well. I cannot hold the desire to correct our good colleague Pliny: it turns out that he confused the Sun with the Moon «Curiosity» with «Perseverance» )) It's a series of 3 pictures (plus -arm2.jpg and -arm3.jpg) which need to be renamed, replacing «Curiosity» with «Perseverance» in each file name. Hope you help him with it. Best regards, — anonym 78.106.206.99 21:07, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Good to see you again! I'm glad you have recovered physically at least, I do understand the toll morale issues can cause, I suffer enough of that myself. Regardless, I've fixed the name of those three files, good catch. — Huntster (t @ c) 02:33, 14 February 2022 (UTC)