The Indian Legion also beared a springing tiger as it's symbol. If you could then please also add another image file of the tiger used by the German army legion. The new vectorised SVG format image could be used instead of the black and white one.
Those two sources Colour for the Free India Legion 1942-1945 and Indische Legion Shield are svg files so all that needs to be done is to remove all which is not needed and save it. Can you do that by yourself or do you need my help, also you would have to pick which as they are slightly different.
Hi there, First of all I must apologise for never getting back to you, I haven’t been logged in for a while and because of this I never your messages until today so I am so so sorry you have had no feedback from me until now. Thank you so for what you have done it’s a fantastic improvement. I have put this on the graphics page however the only things left to be done to properly finish off the map is the following
1. Pleas add the towns of Hunstanton and Downham Market onto the map.
2. Can the villages of Fosdyke (can the area known as the Fosdyke Wash also be mentioned too),Long Sutton and Sutton Bridge also be added to the map as they are important reference points on the Wash.
3. Please also add the location of the royal estate of Sandringham also be added onto the map as well please.
Don’t worry the area known as the Fosdyke Wash is a area of Marshland/wetland just north east of the villege of Fosdyke close to where the Rivers Welland and Witham meet as they go into the Wash I hope that helps. Also I haven’t had the chance to notice this until now the Label for Lynn Deep needs to be moved closer to the Norfolk side of the Wash. (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 16:44, 2 March 2024 (UTC))[reply]
P.S you have displayed the Fosdyke wash perfectly in your draft map. There is no issue at all and thank you and actually “Long Sutton Bridge” is incorrect it’s just “Sutton Bridge” and Fosdyke is spelt “Fosdyke” not. Fasdyke and finally don’t forget the Label for Cambridgeshire. (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 16:46, 2 March 2024 (UTC))[reply]
Cambridgeshire doesn’t have a coastline with the wash unlike Lincolnshire and Norfolk but it’s the county which has the town of Wisbech which is a Port for the Wash and also the City of Peterborough which are on the banks of the River Nene and are neither in Lincolnshire or Norfolk you already have the boundaries for the county as it’s the area in Yellow it just needs a label with “Cambridgeshire” adding into that area. As for the Lynn Deeps I accept what you have to say there so no change required however I do wonder if we should add the town of Holbeach plus the Norfolk villages of Heacham and Snettisham and on the Lincolnshire side the villeges of Wainfleet and but I know we can’t add everything on there so what do you think? but the map is generally looking fantastic thank you so much. (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 17:20, 2 March 2024 (UTC))[reply]
@MOTORAL1987 There are several Wainfleet, check if I got the one you need. I changed some colors as I always try to make my maps work for most people, also with color deficiencies.
That’s fantastic and the Cambridgeshire Label is perfect now thank you. Can you just add the villege of Freiston Shore which is near Boston and the map is truly compete and can be uploaded thank you so much. (2A02:C7C:6AE9:C400:D94D:8939:F9D2:A7F015:22, 3 March 2024 (UTC))[reply]
Sir you are a angel it’s fantastic however I just wondering if Lomg Sutton could be upgraded as it is technically a small town almost the same size as Holbeach code that just be corrected please and that’s it. (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 15:45, 3 March 2024 (UTC))[reply]
I have done just that Goran tek-en it is now done however I have another map image that is a SVG that I reckon could be very much improved on. What do you say it’s the The Fens map of the Fens what do you reckon? I am prepared to start a new discussion on this. (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 16:55, 3 March 2024 (UTC))[reply]
Hello there I am really sorry to mention this again but we have missed two features of the Wash that need to be added onto the map. Can you please add the Outer Trial Bank which is a artificial island and also as a reference point like you have done with Gibraltar Point can you add a label for “Gore Point” which is on the Norfolk side of the wash very near to “Holme-next the Sea and marks the point where the Norfolk Coast turns fully eastwards away from the Wash. Thank You (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 08:57, 6 March 2024 (UTC))[reply]
Good morning Goran tek-en hope you are okay today, unfortunately I totally forgot to mention for you to add the landmark known as “Castle Rising” on the Norfolk side of the wash so please can this be added onto the map and also can the colour of the Fosdyke Wash be changed colour from its phosphorescent green so that it matches the rest of the areas you have marked as Marshland in green but please keep the Fosdyke Wash Label. Also to help you better with locations within the wash such as the Lynn and Boston Deeps I have found this from Sea Chart of the Wash from 1924 (Please note that the Outer Trial Bank you added a few days ago did not exist at that time) . Hope we can speak soon (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 07:45, 8 March 2024 (UTC))[reply]
Goodness me I do apologise Goran tek-en I have no idea what happened I think I was rushing about and I got my copy and pasting wrong but I have now corrected the mistake and you will now have the correct link which will very much help you. Give me a message to say you got this thank you. (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 10:44, 9 March 2024 (UTC))[reply]
I would please like the colour of “Fosdyke Wash” to be changed so it’s the same green as the other marshland on the map and as for the chart please can you slightly change the locations of the “Boston” and “Lynn Deeps so they reflect their locations better, maybe have the label Boston Deeps running down its narrow channel using the 1924 chart I gave you as a reference for you and maybe have Lynn Deeps in the middle as it’s a much larger channel. Oh and please add “Castle Rising” which is near Kings Lynn onto the Wash map as I forgot to tell you about that and finally in Lincolnshire please add the River Glen into the map which flows into the River Welland north of Spalding at a villege called “Surfleet Seas End” which I am very happy for you to add as a label as it is a major junction on the Welland. Thank you and Cheers. (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 18:21, 9 March 2024 (UTC))[reply]
@MOTORAL1987 You always has to remember that I have zero knowledge of your request so when you were talking about Boston Lynn Deepts, I understood it as a deep spot-not a channel. I have been searching to understand what you meant and then I found this fishing map place where I finally could understand, I think.
I apologise that you didn’t have proper understanding at the time and I am sorry, yes that is what I originally meant, the deeper channels within the Wash and thank you that does look so much better please uploaded the draft to Wikipedia but with the additions if you could please add what is known as “Roaring Middle” it’s the location of a navigation marker within the Lynn Deeps channel it’s listed on your fishing map as it’s used by shipping across the Wash for navigation to the Ports and even features on some UK road maps and also you might want to add a few more areas of wetland/tidal just offshore of the Hunstanton area as there are some large sandbanks which don’t seem to be visible at the moment on the map, again if you check your fishing maps and the sea chart you will see the areas around there listed as sand/mud. Thank you (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 19:00, 11 March 2024 (UTC))[reply]
@MOTORAL1987 There is a big difference from OpenStreetMap (OSM) and the fishingmap, I have edited so it's more like the fishing map because regarding this I think it's more accurate.
But now the counties borders from OSM looks strange like hanging in the middle within the wetland/tidal. Should I change them to follow the coastline, leave them like they are or do something else? Wash Draft-7.
I agree with you I think the style of the map looks better the way you have done it. Now as for the county boundaries bewteen Lincolnshire and Norfolk with the following Link 1 which shows a map of South Holland. Now South Holland is part of Lincolnshire and follows the exact same county boundaries as the Norfolk and Lincolnshire borders so this can be your solution to your problem I hope you understand so in fact you have to do is slightly change the border so that it comes back to the channel where the River Nene flows from it just needs to follow the course of that channel for part of its way almost like what you have already done it’s only a minor adjustment required. (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 14:39, 12 March 2024 (UTC))[reply]
I have seen the update, the county broundry is still not quite right but if it helps one of your earlier uploads the broundry was correct can you upload the boundaries from the previous version but overlap it with the more recent changes to the map at all. (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 15:03, 12 March 2024 (UTC))[reply]
@MOTORAL1987 I checked my boundaries with your two links (same map) and I could not see any difference so nothing is changed for previous versions. You have to be specific where it's not correct according to you. --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 15:06, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The broundry needs to follow the same course as the channel near the Outer Trial Bank that takes the River Nene into the Wash it’s the exectly same as from this this version and here is a link Norfolk County Sea Border is on a map in that article we are so close to completing it now and it’s only that little bit that needs to be changed. (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 15:11, 12 March 2024 (UTC))[reply]
Exectly that’s perfect sorry about that I am autistic and it’s not easy some times for me to explain things I hope you don’t see me in a negative way (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 15:33, 12 March 2024 (UTC))[reply]
@MOTORAL1987 No worries at all, haven't thought about it. Don't be sorry, don't say so to other people you are sorry for who you are, you are one unique person, just as everyone else is. I'm a bit autistic myself, I think that's why we are doing stuff like this.
We all have have different "sides" within us which appears depending on the situation and on how we feel right then.
Thank you I really appreciate what you said there I do worry what people can think of me I can so ingrossed over the slightest detail and I very much enjoy working with you too and the map of the Wash we now have is far superior to anything we had before, unless anything else comes up with regards to this SVG image we shouldn’t have to make anymore changes and we can properly focus on the map of the Fens now. It’s done Done (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 16:30, 12 March 2024 (UTC))[reply]
Thank you so much for taking this one up, I was wondering if the map of the Fens could be improved so it is in a style similar to the one that you did for the wash. Now you might need to do some reserch on this one as the map has some basic information as the broundries are not precise but they are approximate, also some of the towns are missing as well. (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 17:49, 3 March 2024 (UTC))[reply]
@MOTORAL1987 I will help you, but you as the requester is supposed to provide all the needed information for me, the graphic worker, to be able to create your request.
So is the overall area OK, what kind of map topographic flat, what kind of info do you want in it, cities, rivers etc.
Understood I will try and give you all the information you need especially on things you not be aware of or understand as the requester. I think it should be topographic flat with the major towns and cities that are featured in the original map as well as the rough broundry of the flatlands that make up the Fens, rivers and also the drains (these are the man-made rivers of the Fens) as well. The natural rivers of the Fens are the same as you did for the wash, The Rivers Welland, Nene, Great Ouse and the Witham. Oh and county broundires should also be on the map as well. That will be our starting blocks for this map. The following link will help you with the boundaries but please don’t include the flag as that is unofficial.
The map in the link you provided is roughly correct as much as the map I have given you, sources will be slightly different to each other as there is not really a defined border as such so please use your discretion. (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 14:30, 5 March 2024 (UTC))[reply]
Yes I can, in Lincolnshire there is the South Forty-Foot Drain which passes very close to where I live bewteen Boston and Guthram Gowt. Also in Boston and to its north there’s the Witham Navigable Drains, in Cambridgeshire and Norfolk there’s the Middle Level Navigations (these are a series of waterways bewteen the rivers Nene and Great Ouse) , the New Bedford River and the Old Bedford River and those are the major artificial drains of the Fenland areas. P.S forgive me links for Wikipedia do not seem to work on here but there are articles for these drains on there. (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 16:37, 5 March 2024 (UTC))[reply]
That is a fantastic first draft and thank you. The first modifications I can see is clearly we need to do is we to add the “River Glen” onto the map it flows into the River Welland just north of Spalding and links up with the Forty Foot Drain. Secondly we need Labels for the individual fen areas and I do have a map I can give you as a reference for this right here Map of Fen names and further artificial drain details and the image in question is the second one down in the article and will give you locations of artificial drains which do not have their own Wikipedia articles but please note the “North Level”, “Middle Level” and “South Level” make up one large area known as the “Great Level” and finally please can you add the Lincolnshire towns of Bourne and Market Deeping, the Norfolk town of Downham Market and also the Cambridgeshire town of March onto the map and lastly the boundaries need adding for the local Authority area of Peterborough, Northamptonshire and also Suffolk. I look forward to the next draft I appreciate it might be a couple of days away this one will take some time. (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 18:30, 9 March 2024 (UTC))[reply]
@MOTORAL1987 I would need some more specifics on what to add from this. Could you print it, mark what I should add with an orange marker or something, then take a photo and send to me. Or any other way that works for you. --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 16:02, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@MOTORAL1987Go to my user page, then on the right LEFT side find "Email this user" and do that. When I replay to you, you will get my email and then you can send the photo as attached in an email to me.
Thank you, this information will greatly help me be able to communicate things better to you. P.S I don’t wish to sound stupid but I can’t find the “Email this user” feature at all and I think now I know why after looking for a few minutes my account is not a Wiki Commons account it’s only a Wikipedia account. (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 18:51, 12 March 2024 (UTC))[reply]
@MOTORAL1987 Never call your self stupid, any question is valid in that moment.
It’s okay I was trying to say my account is only a wikepida account and not a commons account I think this is why I can’t see the “e-mail this user” function I am not sure how to proceed really I suppose I will have to just carry on as I am and give you information as best as possible, I am currently having a think as to how we can best take this proposed map forward as there are a lot of drains to be mapped out as well as the name of the Fens too and I am not sure weither there would be too much information for it to all go on a single map. I will contact you again later (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 07:28, 13 March 2024 (UTC))[reply]
@MOTORAL1987Here is my wikipedia user page and to the right you will see Email this user. If that doesn't work I will show you my email as an image like the drafts.
Mark all you think should be added and then (if to much) we will reduce it and maybe make insets for each area or separate maps, we will solve it.
@MOTORAL1987 My account is a Global one. In Preferences/User profile you can set up so your account will become Global. As you say, that might be the reason, but what I suggested above should (in my world) work. --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 11:17, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@MOTORAL1987 I preffer that we keep as much as possible of discussions/drafts here at commons and just use email when we have to send something or otherwise. It's easier for my brain if we keep most stuff in one place, thanks.
I haven't added names on this draft and the names, stretchings on your source is not the same as what I find on OpenSourceMap.
Gosberton/Quadring Fen is really hard to find, I can just see small bits and pieces so so far I haven't added it.
Hello there, just sent you a e-mail, fair enough from now on will keep discussion on here although I have been doing a lot of jobs at my end and wanted to get back to you as fast as possible. (The “Authority area of Peterborough” label does not need to be on there as it’s just generally known as “Peterborough” so the general map Label for “Peterborough” is quite sufficient for the map alone along with its boundaries. (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 16:16, 16 March 2024 (UTC))[reply]
@MOTORAL1987 I still can't find Gosberton/Quadring Fen. Look at this OSM link which is the area I think you mean. You can zoom in further. If possible make screen prints and show me where they are. All the names we deal with after we have added what we should.
Thank you so much, the coronation channel in Spalding is perfect, the addition of Fenland in West Norfolk looks perfect thank you and thank you for the addition of Heacham and Snettisham however can you reduce them to villeges please because of the continuity with the map of the wash that we did. Peterborough looks fine now however for the same reason can the colour be changed to Yellow so we have continuity with the Wash map. For the next stage of the map can we please can we add the Lincolnshire towns of Crowland, Donington, Holbeach, Long Sutton, Coningsby and Woodhall Spa, the towns of Whittlesey and Yaxley in Peterborough, and also the Cambridgeshire towns of Chatteris and Ramsey as well as the Suffolk towns of Brandon, Mildenhall and also the villege of Lakenheath. It’s really good so far.
Also for Gosberton/Quadring Fen there isn’t an actual Gosberton/Quadring Fen as it’s the amalgamation of two Fens, Quadring Fen and Gosberton Fen I did that as it is two fens next to each other (It might interest you to know but Gosberton is where I live so I do know this area very very well but I know for the map it wouldn’t be possible to have both Fens listed separately it’s not a major issue as it’s part of the Lindsay Level so if you want we can have just use the “Lindsay Level” label overall if that is preferable.
Oh I am so so sorry there is no Drain by the name of “Quadring Fen” I am so sincerely sorry I thought you was looking for a villege, there is a drain by the name of “Risegate Eau” that runs from the South Forty Foot Drain to the River Wellend near Fosdyke. (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 16:02, 17 March 2024 (UTC))[reply]
If you want this map and The Wash map to be similar as much as possible we actually have to change some things in The Wash map, the colors of counties are changed in Fens map (for color deficiency work). For the uniformity Peterborough has to be colored in another color than the yellow you refer to. Also Peterborough has to be written twice since it's both a city and typ of county.
I haven't done any work with the names of the drains so we have to do that. Fens Draft-4.
That’s fair enough if we have to make changes to the Wash map to get the continuity then I have no issues with making changes if that that is okay with you. I will give you the names of the drains in due course, not all of the ones you have listed are name but we will do the best we can. Let’s get both maps as similar as possible but in the Wash map we don’t need to add all the drains or the Fenland unless you want to. As for the drains I am wondering if they would be better if they were all in blue as well as the rivers as even the rivers are not as natural as they seem. Oh please can the Lincolnshire villege of Washingborough be added too it’s right near Lincoln. Cheers (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 20:08, 17 March 2024 (UTC))[reply]
Okay but not every drain you have written into the map is named but I will do the best I can I will write them into an image and send them to you via e-mail. (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 17:51, 18 March 2024 (UTC))[reply]
Thank you the map is really taking on shape however I don’t like the fact that the towns of Crowland and Whittlesey have now had their place names split as they are both one word. Please can this be corrected. also the Risegate Eauneeds to be extended westwards to the “South Forty Foot” I think the drain after it goes though the villege of Gosberton Clough becomes the “Twenty Foot Drain” and heads almost straight westwards to the South Forty Foot Drain.
Also to give the map some more details can we add the following Lincolnshire villages to the map. Langtoft, Baston, Sempringham and Billingborough. Also in Cambridgeshire can the villeges of Welney and Wicken also be added to the map as well please. Oh if you want I can send you another e-mail as I can give some more names for the drains north of Boston, Thank you (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 14:57, 19 March 2024 (UTC))[reply]
I would like the Fens to be Labelled as much as possible but we need to finish labelling the drains first. I will get on those drain names for you for north of Boston, it won’t take long. (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 16:25, 19 March 2024 (UTC))[reply]
I have just sent the map to you with the correct labels, also please note out of interest that the villege of Sempringham is correctly located just south of Billingborough as some maps seem to list it just northeast of Donington and that is incorrect. I have asked for that villege to be added because of its history. (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 16:58, 19 March 2024 (UTC))[reply]
@MOTORAL1987 Now we have reach a point were we can't have so many names within the map, so I have numbered the Drains (we can add more) and put the names in the legend, Fens Draft-6. You have given me two different spellings of Forty Foot, is that correct? --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 18:23, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think for continuity it should be “Forty Foot” but I don’t think it actually matters. Good idea about the list it does substantially D clutter them up and still to add the area of the Fens labels and yes we can add more labels and tonight I will send you another list of drain names. I have noticed a few errors we need to correct, we need to remove a small area of fenland in and around Ely as the city is on very slightly raised ground giving it its famous name “Isle of Ely” and also the “River Little Ouse” is a river and not a drain and we also need to find and add the “River Nene (Old Course) and also please add the Maxey Cut Drain which is between Market Deeping and Peterborough and finally please add the Lincolnshire villeges of Bardney, it’s near Lincoln on the River Witham and Wainfleet and in Cambridgeshire please add “Littleport” and also add the River Cam onto the map, it comes off the Great Ouse south of Ely and flows to Cambridge and I think once we have made those corrections and addictions we can start to add the area labels. Cheers (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 19:01, 19 March 2024 (UTC))[reply]
Good morning, just a note to say I won’t be around until later this afternoon again I have sent you some further e-mails on further information including maps I have found online. Hope it is useful. Have a good day (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 07:17, 20 March 2024 (UTC))[reply]
Hi there I think I have made a mistake with “Twenty Foot River” as on google maps it’s listed as “Bevills Leam” so can we change that please. Delph Drain looks fine to me so will happily go with that. Generally all is good. I think the fenland area should cover a little more of the area bewteen Market Deeping and Peterborough and also can the fenland area be extended a little to include Skegness and a small area just to the west of the town. Ely looks fine I can send you a map of the area known as the isle of Ely so it can possibly be a little more realistic otherwise I think we are almost at the point where we can start to add the Fen Labels. (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 20:57, 20 March 2024 (UTC))[reply]
Hi again I won’t be able to do anything further today as I have come down with a massive migraine attack. Please forgive me and I’ll speak to you tomorrow (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 17:45, 21 March 2024 (UTC))[reply]
@MOTORAL1987 You really really have to stop asking for forgiveness when you become ill, it's not you who did that to you, it's an illness. I hope you have as good recovery as you can.
Can you please give me the link for that map with Ely highland, thanks.
Hello, I am now in the process of recovery now after a nasty few hours, the link for the first image was taken from here and the second image was from Wiki Commons, the Isle of Ely now looks really really good and if anything adds to the map (maybe in some very tiny writing we could just add “Isle of Ely” otherwise thank you so much. The slight extension of the Fenland to Skegness is also good too. I am going to send you another e-mail which has some screenshots from Bing maps of some more drains to be added on the map for the northern section of the Fens off the River Witham. I think we are almost ready to start adding the Fen labels however I do wonder if because we already have a lot of information on the map already did we want to think about doing that on a second map. What do you think? (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 21:45, 21 March 2024 (UTC))[reply]
Hi there, I am now free for the rest of the day just to let you know and fully recovered now. I have another drain for you to add a on top of the others I have sent you but this time it’s near Spalding and I have a major correction, there is a drain called the “Twenty Foot River” but we already have it on the map it just needs a Label to be changed and another added. (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 13:45, 22 March 2024 (UTC))[reply]
Thank you for the updated map, the numbers look okay to me I did check them as best as possible. We need to add the River Delph which runs in the Hundred Foot Washes parallel to the Old/New Bedford River, thank you for the isle of Ely tag I think it just helps there. We also need to add the Cut-off Channel which is man made and runs from Downham Market to Mildenhall which links up with the River Lark but unlike the Cut off Channel it is a natural river which runs back to the Great Ouse at Ely so we will need to add that river into the map as well as well as the River Lymn also known as the River Steeping and the Wainfleet Heaven and that is a natural river and add the villege of Wainfleet onto the map please and also near Kings Lynn we need to add the River Babingley again from what I have gathered a natural river and finally in the same area the River Nar again a natural river. I don’t think we have many more additions to go now. (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 19:38, 22 March 2024 (UTC))[reply]
River Delph, we must have made some mistakes around that. In the last Draft it's 32 Counter Drain. But what I can see that is just a part of the stretch. The rest before and after is Old Bedford River which I have added.
Cut Off Channel Is not named longer than I have drawn, there is another water body that joins where it ends and that continues to Downham Market but with out any name.
Good Evening, right first of all there is a spelling mistake, the River Nat is the Nar so please correct that, also in response to the water body you mention is the “Cut off Channel” so please yes please do add that to the map so it links up with the Great Ouse at Downham Market otherwise it is incomplete. I have one final drain for you to add which I will send via e-mail otherwise we are done with the adding of the drains and as for the River Delph it is separate from the Counter Drain but there is very limited information online about the river. Also there is a spelling mistake on number 36 it’s “Forty Foot” not Forty Fott and we also need to add the River Wissey and also the River Lark and also add the Lincolnshire town of Spilsby and the villege of Wainfleet into the map as well. Also numbers 11 and 16 for the West Fen Drain can be merged into a single number as it is the same drain. Thank you (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 18:53, 24 March 2024 (UTC))[reply]
Thank you unless there is something that pops out of my head which doesn’t I think we are there now with the drains and we need to decide on how we proceed next with the Fen Labels given that there already a lot of information on there oh and I have noticed that there is no Label for the “Bourne Eau” drain so please add that. (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 19:05, 25 March 2024 (UTC))[reply]
Evening, sorry for a late reply after your e-mail I hadn’t expected a draft tonight so thank you, Largely the spellings are correct I have tried to check them the only issues are is that “ Wildobre Fen” is spelt as “Wildmore Fen” but don’t worry, also “Lindsay Level” is spelt as “Lindsey Level”, otherwise looking good I am sorry I have found another drain to add in the East Fen area I will send a map to you on that otherwise we will just getting to the point of just finishing off and thank you. (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 19:31, 27 March 2024 (UTC))[reply]
@MOTORAL1987 I really think you have to stop adding drains, in some areas it's difficult to fit more, and moving so many numbers around and still keeping order and names are getting some what hard.
Hello, thank you for the updated draft, well you will be very relieved to tell you I have no more drains to add I do apologise I do understand how complicated this is but this is why no SVG map of this kind has never been done before but we are there now. We also just need to add the following villeges and places of interest into the map and it can be uploaded. For the Villeges can the following be added
Pode Hole (near Spalding), Gosberton (bewteen Boston and Spalding), Whaplode (near Holbeach), Old Bolingbroke (near Spilsby), Terrington St Clement (near King’s Lynn), Denver (near Downham Market), Upwell, Outwell (both together near Wisbech), Wolferton (near Sandringham) and Warboys (South west of Chatteris).
Also as places of interests can the “Royal Estate of Sandringham”, “Castle Rising” both in Norfolk and also Tattershall Castle which is near Coningsby in Lincolnshire also be added onto the map as well and one final request, can a largish transparent Label called “Great Level” in Capital letters be added into the map along the areas of the map that has the “North” “Middle” and “South” Levels. If you need more information about this, just feel free to ask me I will help. (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 17:09, 29 March 2024 (UTC))[reply]
@MOTORAL1987 It's hard to put something like Great Level behind all the other stuff we have. I don't think I can make it more transparent as it will be viewed on screens with different quality. What I can do is make the letters less wide/fat.
Evening sorry I have been chilling as it’s Easter Saturday, I appreciate what you say about the great level issue so please don’t worry about it, the Great Level label as it currently is completely spoils the whole map so please can you remove it entirely and we’ll just upload it without it we can both live without that happily apart from can you just add the Lincolnshire town of Horncastle, also the Lincolnshire villeges of Cowbit (just south of Spalding), Swineshead (bewteen Boston and Donington), Heckington (north of Billingborough), Metheringham (West of Coningsby), Winceby (bewteen Horncastle and Spilsby) and the Peterborough villege of Thorney please. Apart from thes seven remaining places which shouldn’t over clutter the map as they are largely in areas where there is space to add villeges and towns it is now finished and you can upload it to Commons and we can then go back to the Wash map and make those few changes we spoke about so both maps are roughly similar to each other (don’t worry I am not going to be asking you to add drains into that map). (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 20:33, 30 March 2024 (UTC))[reply]
Evening I will do the best I can, the File should be known as File:The Fens England map. The description should be basically be a map of the places, levels, plains and and drains of the Fens although I am happy for you to fill in gaps if needed. There is a category called “Category:Maps of the Fens” so it can go in there to start with. The language is English. I am not what I can tell you really so feel free to do what is necessary otherwise thank you so much and thank you for your patience it is a fantastic map. Done(MOTORAL1987 (talk) 18:04, 31 March 2024 (UTC))[reply]
Thank you so much, the map of the Fens is fantastic and looks much better now. Also thank you for changing the Wash map colour although Peter is not the same colour as in the wash map could that be changed at all? I was also going to ask you to add the villeges of Wolferton and Terrington St Clement in Norfolkinto it as well as adding the rivers Wainfleet Heaven, Babingley River and the River Nar into the map please. Thank you and I have really enjoyed working with you too and I hope to work with you again I do have another project which involves Lincolnshire in general I don’t know if you would be interested in working with me again at all? (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 13:41, 1 April 2024 (UTC))[reply]
The reason Peterborough isn't colored in Wash is for the area name is not there so I guessed it wasn't a part of Wash. So if you want me to color it I would like to put out the area name also?
To me it's a bit calmer and gives a greater focus to the main object of the maps. The borders are still there. It's up to you if we keep the colors or not. --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 13:50, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, I am so sorry I did not see this @Goran tek-en because of me trying to give you all the data for the Lincoln Cliff Map, you know what I totally agree with you I pefer it now with no colours too so please do it for both maps take out the county colours it does work better that way. Also for both maps can the Norfolk coastal villeges of “Dersingham” and “Old Hunstanton” and also the two coastal Lincolnshire villages of “Ingoldmells” and “Chapel St Leonards” be added onto both maps please. (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 11:23, 6 April 2024 (UTC))[reply]
Hello there, I was just wondering if in the Fens map if you could please add the Cambridgeshire villege of “Guyhirn” please. Thank you (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 07:15, 13 April 2024 (UTC))[reply]
Cheers, we have forgotten to add the “Great Ouse Relief Channel” so can that please be added onto the map as well please it runs from just south of Kings Lynn to Denver where Bedford rivers meet and it is artificial and a vital part of the River Great Ouse and also the Lincolnshire villege of “Wainfleet” is in fact a town so on both this and the Wash map as well we need to upgrade it to a town and relabel “Wainfleet” to “ Wainfleet All Saints” and finally can the Lincolnshire villege of “Pinchbeck” please be added as well. (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 14:52, 15 April 2024 (UTC))[reply]
Hi again can you please add onto the Fens map only the Lincolnshire villages of “Deeping St James” and “Bicker” and the Norfolk villege of “Wiggenhall St Germans” please add onto both the Fens and Wash maps please add the Lincolnshire villages of “Fishtoft” “Leverton”, “Friskney” and “Wrangle” (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 16:51, 16 April 2024 (UTC))[reply]
I really think you should consider stop adding stuff to the Fens map, it's hard to understand what the purpose of the map is. The Drain system, villages or cities or what.
No worries, that should be it now the map is a combination of the drains, cities, towns and some of the major villeges of the Fens but we are there with the combined map now however I would like a map now of the Fen areas (ie the No cities villeges map with borders to show the different areas without any of the settlements but keeping the drains in. (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 21:25, 16 April 2024 (UTC))[reply]
P.S not asking for a place name now but please can you add the “River Slea” and the “Kyme Eau” into the Fens map as it’s missing and a major tributary of the “River Witham” (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 13:11, 18 April 2024 (UTC))[reply]
Cheers and we also ought to add the town of “Sleaford” into the map for a point of geography , it’s just west of Heckington just outside the Fens area so it won’t clutter the Fens map area up anymore then it will be properly finished. (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 15:57, 18 April 2024 (UTC))[reply]
Main schism from the Russian Orthodox Church[edit]
Hello @Goran tek-en:
I would like to say thank you for your attempt to create a nice schematic on the main schisms of the Russian Orthodox Church. However, I should point out that your effort is not accurate and offensive to me as Ukrainian. The Ukrainian Orthodox Church existed before the Russian Orthodox Church was canonically recognized in 1589. First of all, the Union of Brest has nothing to do with the Russian Orthodox Church from the word ABSOLUTELY. The Muscovite region eparchies went into schism from the Kievan church after persecution of Isidore of Kiev in 1441, while in Kiev (Kyiv) part of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth existed own canonical Orthodox Church, part of the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople. The Union of Brest took place in order to unite the Orthodox Church of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth with the Holy See, not to separate it from the Russian Orthodox Church. However, the Union of Brest was partially successful, and the Orthodox Church in Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was revived by efforts of Metropolitan Petro Mohyla. In 1685 the Russian Orthodox Church annexed the Orthodox Church in Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. This particular event, you for whatever reason chose to ignore completely although it is an important event in the history of the Russian Orthodox Church. It also shows your complete refusal to acknowledge that Ukrainians exist as a separate nation. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 15:50, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Aleksandr Grigoryev Hi Aleksandr. I'm a graphic worker and that is what I do, graphic work. Almost always it is someone else who request something and as the subjects vary very much it's impossible for me to have any knowledge of all the different subjects. So I know zero about this subject. If you look at the file Summary/Source at the bottom of that part it is stated @Veverve: as the requester. That user is the person with the knowledge and to whom you should adress your thoughts, I Pinged him above. So contact that user for discussions, thanks. --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 17:40, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In this image my svg is to the left and the source is on the right and to me it's more or less as the source. Nothing says that the source is drawn perfectly regarded perspective and such things. For instance within the key heads there is no depth drawing of the thickness which there is on the outside, so that is in that sense wrong but that's the way it looks.
Surely you notice that the head of the silver key (bottom right) is slightly crooked compared to the key's shaft? This is because you may have copied the pattern from the head of the gold key (bottom left) to the head of the silver key (and then changed the colors).
Please, compare to the file you have also made Flag of the Vatican City (2023–present).svg. In that case, too, you may have copied the pattern of the head of the key from the pattern of the other key, but then remembered to change it to a mirror image. The omission of this fact can be seen in the file Coat of arms of Vatican City State - 2023 version.svg: it has the shading of the head of the silver key in the opposite direction than in the file Flag of the Vatican City (2023–present).svg.
Did you not look at the comparing picture. The source is to the right and the shadow is like that in the source. It's not up to me change things like that.
Here is comparing picture for the flag, source to the right. As you can see the shadow in the source is different from the COA source.
Please, look carefully at the comparing picture. In the image on the left (your svg), the "four-leaf clovers", i.e. the empty parts of the heads of the keys, are slightly tilted to the right, i.e. in a different position than in the image on the right, where they are straight. That's why in your svg it looks like the head of the silver key is crooked to the shaft.
@Sariyr Now you are talking about something else all together. Of course you can find small differences between the svg's and the source's. They are not direct copies, they are interpretations of the sources so differences like that is for me within the in interpretation limits. If you want to change something please upload it as a new version and not overwriting the existing ones, thanks. Done --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 11:55, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi there, I would like our next project if you are willing to be to be map of Lincolnshire showing the Lincoln Cliff and all the settlements along its path which starts near Grantham and runs right up the county though to the Humber. There are not many maps of this natural feature of the county, but it is important enough that I believe there should be on and there is a wiki A
article on the subject. There is a link available here along with some images and maps. (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 17:52, 1 April 2024 (UTC))[reply]
Generally yes we can use this as a starting point, maybe focus the map in a bit so the Wolds don’t feature in it so much. just to note the cliff is broken in only two places, Ancaster and Lincoln itself. I have tried to find further maps of the Lincoln Cliff especially at the topography but there is very little out there although I did find this which bizarrely is from eBay but I think is the best at showing the narrow cliff which is here and also this too. I was wondering for this map if it would work in 3D?(MOTORAL1987 (talk) 12:05, 2 April 2024 (UTC))[reply]
@MOTORAL1987 Remember that I don't have any of your knowledge about this subject or area. Like you can't just use names like "Wolds" without explaining because I don't understand. I have read and have a vague understanding of Lincoln Cliff but not what it actually looks like on the ground.
The “Lincolnshire Wolds” is an area of hills and raised ground in the north eastern part of the county to the East of the cliff, the maps I gave you show this area quite clearly. Basically the Lincoln Cliff or Edge as it’s also known as is a long narrow hill that’s runs up though Lincolnshire and not a cliff like as in a costal rock face. It might be interesting for you to know that the word “cliff” is a very old English word for “hill” where as today the word “cliff” is more associated with high coastal rock faces. The maps I sent you were just really to show you as a point of reference to show where the “Lincoln Cliff” is approximately within the county as there not many maps as points of reference and those were the best I could find and there wasn’t anything specific I am asking of those maps in particular. How would you like to proceed as I think a 3D map would work well for this along with the villeges and towns along its path? (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 11:05, 3 April 2024 (UTC))[reply]
Oh my you are well ahead of the game lol. I will start with the southern section first. The villeges are starting from the town of Grantham are:
Grantham (town)
Belton (also please add Belton House as a place of Intrest)
Syston
Barkston
Honington
Carton Scrooge
Ancaster
Normanton-On-Cliff
Frieston
Caythorpe
Fulbeck
Leadenham
Welbourn
Temple Breuer (both as villege and as a place of interest, a church symbol will suffice)
Wellingore
Nevenby
Boothby Graffoe
Coleby
Harmston
Waddington (show as town and also please don’t add any references to the air force located there)
Bracebridge heath (show as town)
Canwick (show as town) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MOTORAL1987 (talk • contribs) 15:32, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
North Hykeham (Town)[reply]
Hello again I have the northern section now for you, starting from Lincoln please add the following villeges:
Burton-by-Lincoln
South Carlton
North Carlton
Scampton (again no references to former airbase)
Aisthorpe
Cammeringham
Ingham and Ingham Cliff
Glentworth
Hemswell and Hemswell Cliff
Blyborough
Grayingham
Kirton In Lindsay (add as town)
Manton
Greetwell
Santon
High Risby
Roxby
Winterton
Winteringham
West Halton
Whitton
Please will you also add the Rivers Slea and Witham into the map along with Sleaford, Scunthorpe, Brigg and Barton-Upon-Humber and we will see what else is needed, thank you. (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 14:06, 3 April 2024 (UTC))[reply]
I do apologise Here is the list in two groups (both northern and southern sections) which I have highlighted to make it easier for you.
Villeges:"Belton"(also please add Belton House as a place of Intrest)
"Syston"
"Barkson"
"Honington"
"Carton Scrooge"
"Normanton-On-Cliff"
"Frieston"
"Caythorpe"
"Fulbeck"
"Leadenham"
"Welbourn"
"Temple Breuer" (both as villege and as a place of interest, a church symbol will suffice)
"Wellingore"
"Nevenby"
"Boothby Graffoe"
"Coleby"
"Harmston"
"Burton-by-Lincoln"
"South Carlton"
"North Carlton"
"Scampton" (again no references to former airbase)
"Aisthorpe"
"Cammeringham"
"Ingham" and "Ingham Cliff"
"Glentworth"
"Hemswell" and "Hemswell Cliff"
"Blyborough"
"Grayingham"
"Manton"
"Middle Rasen”
"Greetwell"
"Santon"
"High Risby"
"Roxby"
"Appleby"
"Winterton"
"Winteringham"
"West Halton"
"Whitton "
Towns:"Bracebridge Heath"
"Canwick"
"Kirton In Lindsey"
"Sleaford"
"Grantham"
"Market Rasen"
"North Hykeham"
"Newark"
"Gainsborough"
"Great Gonerby"
"Scunthorpe"
"Brigg"
"Barton-Upon-Humber"
"Ancaster"
"Waddington" (no references to air force base)
Hi there, I have sorted that out all the place names are now marked out as requested so it should make it much easier for you now sorry about that. (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 14:42, 4 April 2024 (UTC))[reply]
Morning @Goran tek-en I hope you are okay haven’t heard from you in a day or two hope life is good at your end was just wondering how the first draft was coming along for the Lincoln Cliff map? (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 09:15, 6 April 2024 (UTC))[reply]
@MOTORAL1987 Yes, life outside of commons is taking up more time now than during winter, but I'm working on it and trying to catch up with you, will be back with a draft. --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 15:20, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Evening, I quite agree that the overall area does need to be reduced so please do that, as for Santon I don’t think it exists it might be a spelling mistake (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 19:55, 9 April 2024 (UTC))[reply]
I think the whole of Eastern Lincolnshire should be taken out of the map, this should then let us be able to zoom in on the map better, also the city Lincoln itself needs to be added into the map too. (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 07:12, 13 April 2024 (UTC))[reply]
Morning to you, well if we take the Eastern part of Lincolnshire (the area east of the Lincolnshire wolds past Market Reason and also Grimsby it would allow us to zoom in on the map more. Also we don’t need the south eastern part of the county either. (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 09:16, 14 April 2024 (UTC))[reply]
You are the graphics designer so I am more than happy to go along with how you see it as long there isn’t too much irrelevant information on there and we can clearly see the line of villeges oh and why is Lincoln not marked in the map? (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 19:19, 14 April 2024 (UTC))[reply]
Looking good, I need to check for villeges in the northern sector and it’s too late for me to do it tonight so will get back to you tomorrow and thank you. (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 21:14, 16 April 2024 (UTC))[reply]
Hi again, as promised I have been checking the Lincoln Cliff Map draft and the only villeges that I believe is missing is “Broughton” near and “Fillingham” bewteen “Ingham” and “Glentworth”. Otherwise it is looking good the next steps should be the addiction of the “Kyme Eau” so the River Slea links up with the River Witham and also let’s get the county broundries in there too. Thank you (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 13:29, 17 April 2024 (UTC))[reply]
@MOTORAL1987 I don't know which is county or something else in the north area so I guessed.
You have guessed perfectly so don’t worry that is looking fine now, oh we just need the county broundries of Nottinghamshire adding please (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 17:53, 17 April 2024 (UTC))[reply]
Looking very good, we just need to sort out the northern boundary between Lincolnshire and Yorkshire as I don’t think it’s quite right bewteen Gainsborough and Scunthorpe otherwise I think the map could be uploaded. (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 07:00, 19 April 2024 (UTC))[reply]
It’s the county border bewteen Lincolnshire and South Yorkshire it’s not quite right in the Lincoln Cliff Map as I know Lincoln does go west of the River Trent at Sunthorpe (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 15:49, 19 April 2024 (UTC))[reply]
Here in the UK we actually have three types of borders; Ceremonial and Administrative as you say but also we have the historical too (these are the very original pre-1974 county borders which were used for centuries). However back to the topic at hand I think we should use the Administrative borders please as those are the borders we have used in all of our maps so far so don’t worry no border changes needed in the Wash and Fens map. (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 15:55, 20 April 2024 (UTC))[reply]
Administratively both North East Lincolnshire and North Lincolnshire are unitary authority areas in their own right just like Peterborough so they both need to be separate but ceremonially and historically they are Lincolnshire (Peterborough out of interest is even more complex as it is a unitary authority in its own right but ceremonially it’s a part of Cambridgeshire but historically it’s actually a part of Northamptonshire). As for the border the broundries with Nottinghamshire are correct there is no problem the issue is North Lincolnshire’s border with South Yorkshire we just need for it to be right that’s all. (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 18:55, 20 April 2024 (UTC))[reply]
Can you add “North Lincolnshire”, “North East Lincolnshire”, “South Yorkshire”, “East Yorkshire” and “Hull” broundries into the map please. (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 17:01, 21 April 2024 (UTC))[reply]
Thank you, can the South Yorkshire label be moved into its rightful place as currently it’s in the wrong place and should be to the left of North Lincolnshire and replace the label with a “North Lincolnshire” label please (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 15:09, 22 April 2024 (UTC))[reply]
Evening there for the Cagatories can you please put it within “Lincolnshire” and “Maps of Lincolnshire” please. The language is English and for the description please can you add the following words “A Map of the Lincoln Cliff or Edge with the settlements along its route.” thank you (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 18:12, 24 April 2024 (UTC))[reply]
Hi again, I have taken a look at your proposed change with the Cliff being more viable and I like it so yes please do upload that version. Thank you (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 19:03, 26 April 2024 (UTC))[reply]
Hi! I meant the file in the heading. However someone allready deleted it. It was a pdf about Wikipedia and copyright. --MGA73 (talk) 07:26, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was wondering if for our next project together if we could create a map of the North Norfolk Coast (in the same style of the Lincoln Cliff Map. I would give you the towns and villeges along the coastline from Hunstanton to Cromer. (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 15:39, 29 April 2024 (UTC))[reply]
No worries you have said this before and I understand I have no time expectations for when this will get finished, it shouldn’t be too difficult. Let’s do it (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 18:07, 29 April 2024 (UTC))[reply]
Stale
Done --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 15:42, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
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