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Hallo George E. Koronaios, coming across your userpage, I notice something went wrong with the first image. I would correct it myself, but then again, this is not my userpage. :-) Lotje (talk) 04:08, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
Now I see what you did, didn't go to the end of the page at first. If you wische to create CVIX you'll confuse the Crypto VIX fans Lotje (talk) 15:10, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
Any editing is welcome. The last thing I want is to confuse other users. ;-) Also, the number of images on my page is so large that the editing of my page has become an issue especially when I do it late at night when I am very tired and I can easily make mistakes. So, I have faith in your judgement and your edits. ;-) ː-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 22:47, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
Greetings, once againǃ Lotje, I am ashamed to admit that I do not know how to create a subcategory. However, if I make a mess by creating new categories I will stop creating them altogether and use the existing ones. I also do not think any of my images is a quality one and that is not out of modesty. I would feel more comfortable letting others to decide this. At any rate, feel free to edit anything I post and I will always be happy to follow your suggestions / recommendations. Cheersǃ ː-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 19:56, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
Goodmorning, Lotjeǃ To be honest, I do not know what to do myself, either. However, whatever you decide I will agree with you. After almost five years here, I have come to the conclusion that whatever decision is made here by anybody who is part of this foundation in any position, it is for the best of the foundation as a whole. Somebody trusted you with this task and I have faith both in them and you.ː-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 11:11, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
Hello George, I adapted the userpage and now it seems the problem with the long waiting looks like solved. I also left out the "thumb" in the first paragraph, to show you the are not obligatory. If you are not happy wih the result, just undo. Cheers. Lotje (talk) 16:03, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
Hello George, MJJR came back to me on the matter of the categorization. Don't know if you can have it translated automatically, if not, I'll try to explain in English. Cheers. Lotje (talk) 06:25, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
Good evening, Lotjeǃ What do you mean by translating it? Translating it to Greek? Are we talking about my page, the photos I have taken so far, or the photos I will be taken in the future? It is currently in English because most people worldwide understand English but almost none speaks Greek. I also love the English language. At any rate, I will be happy to do whatever you think is best. ː-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 21:13, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
I think you mean the categories on my page. I could easily translate them to Greek by hand, but it would be impossible to do the same with all the images on my page because they must be two thousand. I do not know, though, how to do it automatically for the whole page. Feel free to do it yourself, though, if it does not displease you. ː-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 21:56, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
Hello George, I meant translating the reply/comment I received from MJJR regarding your userpage. He wrote (in Dutch):
Dag Lotje. De gebruikerspagina van de heer Koronaios is inderdaad heel erg uitgebreid: 110 categorieën met telkens een hele reeks foto's. Zeer handig is dit niet. Anderzijds is iedereen natuurlijk vrij om zijn of haar gebruikerspagina naar eigen goeddunken in te richten. De heer Koronaios heeft er blijkbaar voor gekozen om een zeer ruime selectie uit zijn foto's (of zelfs àl zijn foto's?) op die pagina te presenteren. Zelf heb ik eigenlijk een andere aanpak: ik breng ik op mijn gebruikerspagina slechts een heel minieme selectie uit mijn inmiddels meer dan 12.000 foto's, namelijk de (weinige) uitgelichte afbeeldingen (FP's) en wat kwaliteitsbeelden (QI's). Deze laatste heb ik inderdaad in een aantal categorieën gesplitst (niet meer dan een tiental), waarbij ik voor elke categorie maar vier of vijf beelden geef, met in sommige gevallen een doorverwijzing naar een subpagina met wat meer beelden. Misschien kan de heer Koronaios zijn 110 categorieën reduceren tot tien of twintig ruimere categorieën, waarbij hij op zijn gebruikerspagina voor elke categorie slechts één rijtje met een vijftal beelden brengt, en de rest van de beelden telkens naar een subpagina verhuist? Het behouden van de huidige 110 categorieën en daar dan telkens een subpagina aan verbinden lijkt mij dan weer géén goed idee...
Good evening, Lotjeǃ I see what you mean. Apologies for the misunderstanding. I have just translated the text of MJJR. Yes, I agree. I will decrease at first the number of categories to approximately ten. For the rest, I will have to ask for your help because I am not very familiar with these things. These are not all my pictures by the way. Maybe it is the less than one third of them. These are my favourites and those I may need to use in the future. Archaeology is my hobby and very frequently people ask me to date findings, sculptures, etc. When that happens I always rely on the pages you see on my page. I am currently publishing the images I took at Athens War Museum. I am going to start making the necessary changings according to MJJR's suggestions within this month. Thank you once again and I hope you have a wonderful evening. ː-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 20:11, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
Hello George, you could also create some kind of "gallery" like I did here or here or, like on my English Wikipedia userpage: Some of the lovely images Lotje found and looks at when she needs cheering up!. If course I will be most happy to help you wherever I can. Cheers. Lotje (talk) 04:47, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
I see what you mean. Thank you, Lotjeǃ I have already started editing my page. It will take some time, though. The whole thing is too time consuming but I enjoy it since I do it for pleasure. Thank you, once again. ː-) Cheersǃ George E. Koronaios (talk) 20:43, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
Greetings, Lotjeǃ The inscription readsː "ΝΕΡΩΝ ΚΛΑΥΔΙΟΣ ΘΕΟΥ." If one translates the words without giving any attention to the context, then they will haveː "NERO CLAUDIUS GOD" The inscription is written in capital letters and without any punctuation. Nero is the Roman emperor under the reign of whom the lighthouse was built. Claudius is the previous Roman emperor who adopted Nero and was succeeded by him. There was a custom in the Roman empire that as soon as an emperor died, the Senate deified him. This, however, happened only so long as the emperor had been a virtuous one. For example, Claudius was deified by the Senate after his death, Nero was not. So, in the inscription god is Claudius, not Nero who is still alive. Now, in regards to the accuracy oof the translation, I am not sure if "divine" is the proper term even though the meaning is more or less the same. Any god is divine. The inscription, however, refers to a god as a god and makes no mention to his divinity or his attribites in general. Personally I would have written firstly the inscription as it is in Greek, that isː ΝΕΡΩΝ ΚΛΑΥΔΙΟΣ ΘΕΟΣ most probably in quoatation marks. Then, I would write it in English by translating the words of the inscription one by one, that isː NERO CLAUDIUS GOD also in quotation marks, and finally I would give the meaning of the inscription which that would be a bit tricky because English is not my native language and I am not sure if it would be proper to say "Nero, son of Divine Claudius" or "Nero, son of God Claudius" or "Nero son of Claudius the god" etc. I hope I helped. ː-) Have a nice evening, Lotjeǃ George E. Koronaios (talk) 20:26, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
Thank you ever so much George E. Koronaios for this detailed information. I will adapt the description accordingly on the file. This might help other users to correctly interpret the meanings of the inscription. Have a nice day. Lotje (talk) 04:08, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
Hello George, just wondering if Dionysiou Areopagitou Street is now an entire pedestrianized streeet. cannott find back the Dionisiou Areopagitou Pedestrian Street on Wikidata, unless of course it is still only in Greek under another name and no description has been made in English. Would you be so kind as to a look? Thank you so much for your time. Lotje (talk) 14:45, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
Greetings, Lotjeǃ The whole street has been pedestrianized from Vasilissis Amalias Avenue all the way to Apostolou Pavlou Padestrian Street which has been also pedestrianized. It has been a pedestrian street for at least the last 16 years. My house is two blocks away. I have also photographed the whole pedestrian street from one side to the other. Check this outː File:Dionysiou Areopagitou Pedestrian Street on November 30, 2020.jpg Always a pleasureǃ George E. Koronaios (talk) 21:57, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
Good morning, Lotjeǃ The Rostra is the Latin equivalent of the Greek Bema just like the Forum is the Latin equivalent of the Greek Agora. Ancient Corinth was destroyed by the Romans the same year with Carthage if I recall correclty. That was in 146 B.C. Both cities were rebuilt by Julius Caesar (again, if I recall correctly) . The "new" Corinth even though it was a Greek city inhabited by Greeks had a special statues in the Roman state (that of a Roman colony?). Consequently, there was a Forum in Corinth, not an Agora and a Rostra, not a Bema. Please do not hesitate to verify these because my memory is weak in general. The text in the image is written both in Greek (left side) and in English (right side). It is a bit blurry but it can be read. For the record, not long ago I took about 50-60 (maybe more) similar images from archaeological sites and published them here. They were all, eventually, deleted for copyright infingement. All of them. So, this image will be deleted too sooner or later. Always a pleasure, Lotjeǃ I hope you have a wonderful dayǃ Cheersǃ ː-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 05:54, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
Thank you ever so much George for the detailed information. In fact, that confirms my thoughts: Category:Bema (Corinth) could be added to the Category:Ancient Roman forums. What do you think? BTW, I came across this file and made the text somehow readable, only with the Ancient Greek spelling, I am pretty sure, I created a mess. Lotje (talk) 13:02, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
Good evening, Lotjeǃ ː-) In regards to the new category it is your call and I trust your judgement. Personally I would have written either "Bema (Ancient Corinth) or "Rostra (Ancient Corinth). The location of modern day Corinth is not that of the ancient city. There is some distance between the two. A few kilometres if I recall correctly. That is why I would have added the "ancient" before "Corinth." The "rostra" solution might confuse some people but I do not think it would be wrong either since the city was rebuilt by the Romans when Greece was not anymore an independent entity but part of the Roman world. It is also full of Roman monuments with the exception maybe of the Temple of Apollo which dates to the 6th cent. B.C. when the Romans had limited their ambitions to the conquest of the nearby city-states in the Italian peninsula.
In regards to the image you sent me, that is indeed a mess but not because of you. The person who posted the text in some cases has mixed the Greek with the Latin alphabet making it hard for anybody who is not familiar with the Greek alphabet to read it. In some cases they have included numbers instead of letters in some words. There is also an issue with the translation itself but here I can only offer the assistance of a hobbyist, not a professional. For example, where it syas "forms of battalia in Greece" it should be "battle formations in Greece" or "battle formations in Ancient Greece" or "Greek battle formations." Also, the plural might not be necessary either and the word "formation" instead of "formations" might be more accurate. This is, however, something only a professional could tell with accuracy.
In the word "Eu6oλov" the third letter should be a "β" which is the Greek equivalent of the English letter "b." Here the translator has written the number "6" (six) due to its resemblance with the Greek letter. Also, in the case of "Пxivdiov, Пxtv6ix" the words are incomprehensible. The same with the ancient Greek word "Koλiußodov." There has been a mixture of numbers (6) Greek letters (Π,χ,λ) and Latin (vdiov). Those three are pretty bad. Sadly, the Greek words reminds me of something but I do not remember what. In other words, I cannot recognize those three words even though they remind me of something. In the case of "Пlúpyos", however, the correct form is "Πύργος" meaning tower. In this case again there has been a mixture of Greek and Latin letters.
As you can see, I am a hobbyist and I can hardly assist you with efficiency in your task. ː-) At any rate I am always at your disposal. ː-) Have a wonderful eveing, Lotjeǃ ː-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 20:47, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
P.Sː I was looking whether I could do anything more when I noticed the word "dcsignedː in the text. Here for some reason somebody added the letter "c" where the letter "e" should be. I noticed several other errors of this type. Notice this one tooː They wrote, "Ο ; δέ τε πυργηδόν σφίας αυτές αρτύναντες" instead of, "οἱ δέ τε πυργηδὸν σφέας αὐτοὺς ἀρτύναντες"which is the correct form. In addition, they translated it as "Wheehling themselves into a tower's form" which most probably it should have been "Wheeling themselves into a tower's formation" or in plain English, "they stood in solid masses." Here the word "tower" has been used to describe the solidness of the soldier's formation. The whole text is full of errors. One should spend hours to fully restore it using the web or even books. I do not know how one should deal with this. If they do not have time, maybe by adding a template informing the reader about the inaccuracies in the translation just like the templates I see in Wikipedia articles when there are doubts about the accurasy of the things mentioned. George E. Koronaios (talk) 04:00, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
Good morning George, thank you very much for taking the time to improve my knowledge on this exciting subject. I started by changing the name of the Category into Category:Bema (Ancient Corinth) as you suggested. Looking for a link on Wikidata, I came across rostra (Q426372) which is linked to Category:Rostra (Rome), so I guess the rostra could be added to Category:Forum Romanum, which, in all fairness, I would have named Category:Fora Romanum because there have been more than one forum. Your suggestions and advice would be more than welcome . So glad you were able to untangle the erroneous use of the alphabets. I had figured out the "β" should have been there instead of the kind of "6", but as I only try to make the text somehow readable, it is not up to me the change the spelling. Though, of course adding [sic] next to the word could be useful to the reader. It is sad to say, but in my opinion the photocopier did not do not a very good job... (The book should be reloaded if you ask me). Going to View Book Page [https://archive.org/details/archaeologiagra02pott/page/n78/mode/1up?view=theater you will notice that). On the other hand, the rermainingg letters "c" are my mistakes. In some cases, the photocopier took the letter "e" for a letter "c". I will go through the file again and correct that. Also, I will add the Category:Spelling mistakes in Greek. Once again, thank you for your time. Lotje (talk) 06:40, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
Good morning, Lotjeǃ This is an image I uploaded earlier today with a scale model of the castle at Athens War Museumː File:Scale model of the Castle of Pylos at Athens War Museum on November 22, 2022.jpg
I have come to the conclusion that the museum inscription of the image I uploaded is wrong. I have noticed several inconsistencies in the inscriptions of that museum. In my opinion the editor of Wikipedia is right and theur article is correct. It is also based on the same sources the Greek Ministry of Culture was based for their article. Consequently, and if you agree I am going to delete the text under the image I uploaded (which is an exact copy of the museum inscription) and change the title of the file from "Scale model of the Castle of Pylos" to "Scale model of the New Navarino Castle" unless you want to do it yourself. Cheersǃ ː-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 07:44, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
P.S. In the article on the website of the Ministry of Culture, the castle is also referred as Castle of Pylos so there is no reason to change the title of the file, I think. The Ministry of Culture would never risk to publish something inaccurate. So maybe it is enough to edit the description of the file. George E. Koronaios (talk) 07:46, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
P.S. 2ː I just edited the description. I make no mention of dates so that there will not be any inaccuracy. It is your call. I will be changing the date under the image on my personal page giving the date of the Ministry of Culturer and refering to the castle as "The Castle of Pylos (Niokastro)." Niokastro in Greek means "New Castle" and Navarino is the modern name of ancient Pylos. George E. Koronaios (talk) 07:50, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
Finally, the shape of the castle and especially that of the polygon cannot date to the 14th century and the Venetians. It looks a lot like a castle built by the Hospitallers in Malta in the 16th century. This is my assumption, though. At any rate, I think the article is correct and the description of the file I uploaded was wrong. George E. Koronaios (talk) 07:57, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
Good evening, Lotjeǃ Here, I think there might be an issue here. The Church of Taxiarchs (aka the Archangels Gabriel and Michael) was built over the ruins of the Temple of Zeus Hellanius. What remains of the ancient temple is its retaining wall and its masonry used by the Christians to build the temple. Notice these three images below. In the first image you see the archaeological site consisting of bothe the church build over the ruins of the temple and the retaining wall of the temple itself (File:Remains of the Temple of Hellanius Zeus in Aegina on August 25, 2021.jpg). In the second image you see the retaining wall of the temple and the church (File:The retaining wall of the Temple of Hellanius Zeus in Aegina on August 25, 2021.jpg). In the third image you see the ancient masonry incorporated into the Byzantine temple (File:The Church of Taxiarches on Mount Hellanion on August 25, 2021.jpg). In the image you posted, one sees the reconstructed Byzantine churc of the Taxiarchs, not the Temple of Zeus which is no more. So, the description under the image is incorrect, in my opinion. I am really happy you liked the image. You know, behind almost every image of this sort there is a story which makes me smile. On my way there I came across two French tourists who had lost their way and I helped find it out again. As I was leading them to the road I was singing in French a famous Crusade song called "Le Roi Louisː to encourage them. You see it was too hot and the path was full of rocks. ː-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 17:24, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
Hello Geroge, I adapted the description on Aegina. Also I wanted to make a link to the Taxiarches but was not too sure because there is no English word (as yet) for it . Thank you ever so muche for this amazing story. Going to look now for the song. Curious as always :-) Lotje (talk) 05:24, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
Good morning, Lotjeǃ Taxiarches or taxiarchs is a Greek word with its letters being replaced by Latin ones for the reasons that the Greeks and most probably the English speaking people do not know how to translate it properly. As I wrote you before, Taxiarchs or Taxiarches (because I have come across both words even though I am not sure which is more correct) are the Archangels. Taxiarches, however, is the head of a "taxiarchia", that is a brigade. So, taxiarches is the brigadier. The problem is that this is a military rank which would not be proper to be used in the case of angels. In reality, though that is the meaning. Since the Archangels are at the head of the angels they have a military rank to describe their authoriry. The Archangels in reality are brigadiers but as I said earlier you cannot call an Archangel like that. Archangel means something like Masterangel or the leader of angels. So, Gabriel and Michael are angels at the head of angels. They lead the angels so they are at their head as leaders and masters, they are Arch-angels. Their rank, however, is that is the head of a "bgigade" of angels because obvious angels are that many. Just like demons in hell which are counted in legions even though the demons at their head they are not called Legati but archdemons. Notice the similarity between an arch-demon and an arch-angel. When the Roman emperors became Christians, and the church became to take shape as an institution, the bishops adapted the military and civil offices of the Roman empire to organize the new religion. That is why when the angels are separated n groups bearing the names of the Roman imperial guards in the Late Roman empire (by some also called Byzantine). I hope I did not make you bored. Have a wonderful day, Lotjeǃ ː-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 07:49, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
Always a pleasure, Lotjeǃ Yes, whenever you see the word Taxiarches, it means in reality brigadiers. These are always the two Archangels Michael and Gabriel. Just like the Holy Unmercenaries who are always two, Damian and Cosmas. Instead, however, of calling a church after the Archangel Michael and the Archangel Gabriel or Saint Damian and Saint Cosmas, they call the former Church of the Holy Taxiarches and the latter Church of the Holy Unmercenaries. Cheersǃ ː-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 10:23, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
Greetings, Lotjeǃ Nothing remains today from the ancient Athenian Deme (district) of Koile except from the remains of Koile road which crossed the deme, along with some traces of the residential areas of the district. I am not sure whether I am the only person who have photorgaphed the place in Commons or not. The majority of pictures, however, I was able to find were taken by me. I will try to guide you through the place to the best of my abilities and then it is your call.
The ancient Deme of Koile was one of the most populous of Ancient Athens. It was located between the hills of the Muses (Philopappos Hill) and the Pnyx. Through that deme passed the largest road of the ancient city which connected Athens with Piraeus and its harbours. That is why the whole deme along with the road were included within the fortifications of the city, that is the fortification wall of Athens itself and the Long Walls. In this picture (File:Koile Road on November 27, 2019.jpg) you can see the remains of the ancient road and in the distance the peninsula of Piraeus. You cannot see the sea due to air polution and the time of the day I chose to take this image. The sea, however, is to the left and right of the peninsula.
Notice the individual who is taking their walk. On their right hand are the remains of an ancient cemetery which grow in the place of the deme when it was gradually abandoned starting from the late 4th cent. B.C. to the Roman period. On the opposite side of the road under the pines are the remains of cut-stone shops you see in this image (File:The archaeological site of the Deme of Koile in Athens on April 26, 2021.jpg). They are exactly behind the two ladies. This is another one abit closer (File:Rock cut shops on Koile Road on April 30, 2020.jpg). A little further away but I do not recall anymore on which side are the remains of the "agora" of the deme. You can see its remains in this image (File:Remains of the Agora of the Deme of Koile on April 30, 2020.jpg). This is according to the modern-day explanatory inscriptions spread around the place which sometimes are wrong. This is not a good image, though.
This is my favourite image of all (File:Koile Road on August 7, 2019.jpg). Here you can see once again the remains of Koile Road. Whenever Athens was at war and the enemy invaded Attica everybody hide behind the long walls and the city received its provisions from the sea which was controlled by the navy of Athens. No other road of the city from the Classical period and if I am not mistaken from any other period can be compared with this one in terms of importance and size. In this image you can have an idea of how large this road was. There traces date to the 5th cent. B.C.
As we walk down the road we come across this rocky terrace. This was anothe residential area of the district (File:The south slope of the Deme of Koile on May 11, 2020.jpg). If you zoom in you will be able to see the rock-cut steps of a staircase dating also to the 5th cent. B.C. As soon as you walk up that terrace you will see the lower part of the road within the limits of the archaeological site (File:The archaeological site of the Deme of Koile on June 25, 2021.jpg). This is my second favourite image of the place. Notice the people walking up the remains of the road. They are heading to the Acropolis and the Hill of Pnyx. Without knowing it, they are doing the exact same thing as their ancestors 25 centuries ago. Back then, however, the road would have been full of carriages, merchants and travelers. I walked down that road from the Pnyx to reach the terrace. I took the picture of the terrace from down there.
This is also an image of the terrace (lower left corner of the image) from the Hill of Pnyxː (File:View of the Saronic Gulf from the Hill of Pnyx on August 17, 2021.jpg). It is not a beautiful image but can give you an idea of how close the sea was to this place. The ships on the right a heading to Piraeus which is on the right edge of the image a few milimetres outside the frame. The island on the left is Aegina.
Finally, there is also this image (File:The Koile Fountain on May 26, 2020.jpg) outside the archaeological site within the limits of the modern neighborhood of Petralona. These are the remains of the fountain of the deme. This is where they used to take water from for their daily needs.
There are several other images I have taken which gives you maybe a better view of the place but I think you have taken already an idea. If I were to taken an image of all these and use it in order to impress the viewer I would choose the image I told you earlier that it is my favourite for the sole reason that from the ancient Deme of Koile the only thing that actually survives to this day is the road.
Apologies for this long reply of mine but I wanted to be as much accurate as possible. Have a wonderful evening, Lotjeǃ
Thank you ever so much George, for taking the time to explain this in depth. I added some images to the article now. Maybe someone comes along now and go deeper into the subject. Thanks again. Lotje (talk) 05:48, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
Ah, yes you are right, Lotjeǃ I had no idead it was him. It was too cold when I get there and I had focus my attention on the sculptures, not the graves themselves. Only when I got home I read the names on the stones. I had never been there before and I was not very comfortable due to the nature of the place. If all goes well I am going to go there tomorrow too and then again and again until I have photographed all these sculptures. You know, most of them will not be there in a few decades since nobody really cares about their condition. This part of the cemetery is full of abandoned old graves of families that are no more. By the way, I was about to wish you for Christmas on your wall but since we are having this conversation here, I do not want to bother you there too. So, Merry Christmas, Lotje and all the best to you and you rloved onesǃ ː-) ː-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 20:12, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
Thanks George, I added the file to the rrecent category and I am pretty convinced there will be some hidden gems in that part of the cemetary. Looking forward to the oploads to follow :-).
No need to apology George. I hope you had a enjoyable day with your parents . Thanks for the information with respect to the Melidoni Street. If neeed be, I can add this useful information to any description now. Cheers. Lotje (talk) 06:36, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
Good afternoon, Lotjeǃ In regards to the name of all secondary streets in my city I cannot tell anything for sure for the reasoon that they might have been name after somebody who is still alive, or somebody who lived a century ago. Sometimes there are several streets with the same name named after different people with the same last name. In the case of Melidone Street I really do not know after whom it was named. Possibly it was after Antipi Melidoni but I cannot tell for sure. Have a good one, Lotjeǃ ː-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 10:33, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
HAppy New Year, Lotjeǃ In regards to the initials I would not have noticed them if it were not for you. Still, I have not studied the subject. Happy New Year once againǃ All the best to you and your loved ones. ː-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 00:34, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
Happy New Year, Lotjeǃ Thank you for your wishes, your support, and your guidance. ː-) ː-) ː-) Let us hope this year will be better for us than the previous one just like the previous one was better than the one before it. Take care, Lotjeǃ ː-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 14:03, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
Hello George, the name of the sculptor is engraved in the pedestal. Trying to figure out who it could have been? Thanks. Lotje (talk) 15:43, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
If it were not for you, Lotje, I would not have noticed itǃ ː-) It says "Georgios Broutos 1882." I have just added it to the description of the file. Thank youǃ ː-) ː-) ː-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 15:56, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
Good morning, Lotjeǃ I am always happy to hear from youǃ ː-) The name of the goddess in Greek is "Εστία" and in capital letters "ΕΣΤΙΑ". In ancient Greek inscriptions you will find her written in capital letters the same as today. The name of the goddess in Latin is Vesta just like with Poseidon that is called Neptune, with Hera that is called Juno, with Hephaestus that is called Vulcan and so on. Until a few decades ago all ancient Greek names when they were translated to English they assumed their form in Latin. So there was no chance to see anywhere "Herakles" or "Iraklis" instead of Hercules. From the laste 90's, however, this changed causing great confusing to everybody. By trying to imitate the sound of the greek names in English or by just replacing the greek letters with Latin ones most people thought that they would bring closer to ancient Greek or to modern Greek all ancient or modern Greek names. That was not the case, though. Consequently, when a Greek goes to a museum and sees "Herakles" instead of "Hercules", gets confused for a few monmets before they finally realise what is going on. In some cases with less known names like Meleager or Deiphobus things get even woprse because the translator uses whatever English letters thinks they sound closer to what the word sounds in Greek. In the case of Vesta, I think "Estia" would be more proper than "Hestiaː because this is how the word is written in "Greeklish". The problem is that in terms of pronounciation, "Hestia" is closer to "Εστία" than "Estia". In regards, however, to the written form of the name, "Estia" is more preferable. Personally, I would call the goddess Vesta in English and that would be all but I highly doubt if the newer generation would know what Vesta is. I hope I gave you an idea of the matter without being very tiresome. ;-) Have a wonderful day, Lotjeǃ ː-)
Thank you so much for this lecture. In order to avoid any confusion, personally, I would prefer seeing categories like Category:Vesta (ΕΣΤΙΑ). I added some of this very useful information to Hestia (Q41419) for the scholars to take a closer look. See what happens. Have an enjoyable day. Lotje (talk) 10:22, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
Always a pleasure, Lotjeǃ Please take into consideration that I am not a scholar but a hobbyist and my sole intention when I elaborate on any subject related to my hobbies is to help my friends the best I can but never to preach or to teach. ;-) ː-) Have a wonderful evening, Lotjeǃ ː-) ː-) ː-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 18:15, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
Good evening, Lotjeǃ In regards to your "Asty" question, both categories are about the same subject. That is, the newspaper "ASTY", in Greek "ΑΣΤΥ" which means city in both ancient and 19th century "old" Greek. The first "ASTY" category contains images from the drawings of politicians once published in the newspaper. In the second "ASTY (newspaper) category apart form the drwings themselves there is also an image of the front page of the newspaper. In my opinion, the two categories should be merged into one bearing the name of the second, that is "ASTY (newspaper)."
In regards to Ioannis Pangas, this is another example of the confusion caused when one tries to make a Greek word or a name written in English letters, sounding as close as possible to the Greek original. This will never happen and since both Greeks and English-speaking people take their own initiative to do this, their will never be an English form of a Greek word faithful enough to the original. It is just like the xample I gave you yesterday with Hercules and Herakles which both try to "imitate" as faithful as possible the Greek name "ΗΡΑΚΛΗΣ" or "Ηρακλής." Ioannis Pangas is the correct old form of transition between the Greek "Πάγκας" and the English "Pangas."
The problem, however, is that the Greek language changes too as the decades go by. When I was a child, the correct way to pronounce the name "Πάγκας" was "Πάνγκας" even though it is written as "Πάγκας." That is why the English form of the name was "Pangas." Nowadays, however, the name "Πάγκας" is pronounced as it is written, and consequently it should be written as "Pagkas", "Paggas", or even "Pagas". The most proper form in my opinion according to the new pronounciation of the word, should be "Pagkas" but this would not be acknowledged by everybody. Personally either I would leave it "Pangas" or change it to "Pagkas." This is a risky decision at any rate since each choice will displease somebody. I am happy I do not have to take this decision. ;-) ː-) I hope I helped. ː-) Have a wonderful evening, Lotjeǃ George E. Koronaios (talk) 22:31, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
Thank you George. Since BD2412 created the Category:Asty, I guess they should be taking a look at our small conversation too.
Seems like all languages change as time goes by. Difficult to keep track sometimes :-)
I feel the best way to somehow remedy this, would be to add the different spellings/writings to Ioannis Pangas (Q1970745), because even there, the Greek only states Ιωάννης Πάγκας. But that decision, I prefer leaving in your capable hands. Have a wonderful day George.
Hello George, the file mentions The Byzantine chapel was built over the ruins of a sanctuary dedicated to the worship of Hercules and Ajax is that Hercules and Ajax then? The interwikilinks could be made if correct. Lotje (talk) 10:33, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
Hello George, kan you take a look at File:The burial monument of Ioannis Koletis on December 23, 2022.jpg to see if the datalinks are correct? Thanks. Lotje (talk) 07:04, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
Good morning, Lotjeǃ Yes, they are both correct. Ioannis Koletis, however, was not just a leading political figure but a prime minister. The other one is the 1st Cemetery. That is its main gate. I also recognize two out of the three burial monuments mentioned. I am going to visit the cemetery again next week and I will easily verify the third. My impression, however, is that they are both correct. Have a wonderful day, thereǃ ː-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 07:29, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
My guessː the magicians have been at work recently. Pitty though, I do not know whom to thank. Actually, they are plahying around right nowǃǃǃ Sincerely yours.
I tried my best, Lotje. Thank youǃ It is not clarified how he died. They lament he died so young, at the beginning of his life, and they hope to meet him in Heaven. They know he will be in Heaven but they hope they will be too. However, if I were to make an assumption, most probably he caught a serious cold since he died on 21 December 1900. That is three days before Christmas. It is one of the coldest day of Winter here in Greece. He was young and young people are usually careless about cold weather. They are careless in general but when it comes to bad weather they think they can handle it. Winters in Athens are very dangerous. The sea is only 8 Km away and the humidity levels are always high. Temperature is not as low as in other European countries but combined with high levels of moisture can get you really sick. Back in 1900 there were no antibiotics and there was no central heating in houses. If you caught a cold back then, most probably you would die. These are all my assumptions, though. I hope you have a wonderful eveningǃ ː-) ː-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 21:29, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
Thank you so much George. Maby the wordt Art should be linked to Θεός, because the sentence Yet, Art planted him in the summer of his life sounds rather strange. Though that must have been the way people expressed themselves in the 1900's. Personally, Personally, I would put: then God caught him in the summer of his life (because: Whenever a good man dies God takes him). At the bebinning of the translation you could also add: (Freely translated). It is just a suggestion. Feel free to do whatever you think is the right thing. Have a wonderulf day George. Lotje (talk) 06:34, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
Good evening, Lotjeǃ In the Greek text the word is "Η ΤΕΧΝΗΝ" which means "the art" but it is with a small "a", not a capital one. I put a capital to give emphasis. From what I understant, the author of the inscription treats the deceased as a flower and as a work of art. As you can see he was extremely handsome. That is why he also uses the word "ΕΦΥΤΕΨΕ" which means "planted." The young man is treated as a flower. In regards to the word "God" I have some doubts for the reason that there is no mention of God anywhere in the text. Even the word "Heaven" I wrote it with a capital letter even though the text is not clear about it since it is written with capital letters. There is also no cross anywhere on the burial monument. I have doubts about the religious beliefs of the whole family. There is a possibility that any reference to the deity, especially using a capital letter might have been unwelcome to the deceased or his family. Even my choice to write "Heaven" instead of "heaven" might be erroneous. I am removing the "My translation in English" with the "which means" so that anybody can edit my translation. Feel free to make any alterations you think proper. I am not a translator and definitely not a poet. ;-) I trust your judgement, though. Feel free to edit the text the way you see fit. ;-) ː-) ː-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 21:20, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
P.S. The word "ΟΥΡΑΝΟΥΣ" means literally "skies" but the word "Heaven" is less proper than the word "heavens" in this case. It is also less religious I think. If I were to make another bold assumption, I would say that both Pangiotis and his family were not very religious or at least not too close to the church as one might think. The burial monument of Panagiotis is most probably the only one belonging to that age that has no cross on it. Unless I did not notice it due to the xtreme cold. I am sure, however, from the text that his parents were not very religious. Now, I cannot be sure whether that was due to their frustration for their son's death or due to their general approach on the subject. George E. Koronaios (talk) 22:09, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
Hello George, very interesting information on Konstantinos Kritis. I added the second name "Panagiotis" to the description. Maybe there relatives of this young man would (one day), be able to give more details.. Have wonderful day. Lotje (talk) 04:45, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
Good morning, Lotjeǃ I have just seen it. I added an "a" to Panagiotis that was missing ;-) ;-) ː-) ː-) ː-). Thank you and have a wonderful day tooǃ ː-) ː-) ː-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 05:15, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
Yes, Lotjeǃ It is "Panagiotis," not "Pangiotis." That is the Greeklish version of "Παναγιώτης." P.S. In regards to the "P." in the name of Panagiotis P. Kritis, unless you are certain it stands for Panagiotis there is a possibility that it stands for Pavlos (Paul), Petros (Peter), and several other names starting with a P. There is a also a small possibility that the young man had two last names, in which case the "P." in his name might stand for a variety of last names. George E. Koronaios (talk) 22:36, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
Thank you, Lotjeǃ I went to the cemetery earlier today. I think you were right. There was a relative of Konstantinos buried also nearby naked Panagiotis. I think he was his father. I also think you made the right choice. I mean, if I were to assume the name of Konstantinos' father, I would also choose Panagiotis. So, I think we are walking here on safe ground. ;-) Have a wonderful evening tooǃ ː-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 22:27, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
Yes, now I can open itǃ Thank youǃ I guess the issue here is what is the proper way to write his name in English. Panagis, Panagos, Panos, Panikas, and several more I cannot think of at the moment are all short versions of the name Panagiotis used in everyday life by our relatives and friends. His actual name was Panagiotis but obviously his relatives and friends used to call hin Panagis and this how he became known.
At this point in time the most common version of his name in English is, Panagis Kavvadias. I am certain, however, that in the future the second "v" will be obsolete. Cawadias, however, is obsolete already since no Greek would ever be able to understand for whom we are talking about if they saw this version of his last name.
Now in regards to Panagis - Panagiotis is simaliar to Jimy - James Hendrix. We all know Hendrix as Jimy but in reality his first name was James. Of course, in the case of a university professor this may not be applied. I still think, however, that Panagis Kavvadias should be the most preferable version of his name. Another example would be that of the Greek poet Kostis Palamas. His first name was Konstantinos (meaning Constantine) but he passed in history as Kostis.
I hope this is what you were looking for. However, if I misunderstood somethings please clarify it to me and I will be able to help you to the best of my abilities. Take care, Lotjeǃ ː-) ː-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 06:40, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
Thank you so much for thie clarification George. I am so sorry sometimes I do not express myself in a clear(er) way. If you misunderstand certain things, it is only because my way of talking sometimes confuses you (and many others, I am afraid. Have a wonderful day. Lotje (talk) 06:46, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
Always a pleasure, Lotjeǃ The middle two are obsolete in my opinion. I am talking about Panagiotes Kavvadias and Panages Kavvadias. Panagiotis Kavvadias and Panagis Kavvadias are the most common and proper versions.
The written speech here tends to get simplified as the years go by. For example in our alphabet we have two different letters which sound "o" but they are written differently, and several letters which pronounced "e" but they are also written differently. In several words they are used two same letters just like in Kavvadias but they are pronounced as if there was just one in their place.
I have been living this transition for the last 30 years and it has cause much confusion to all of us, especially the younger generations. That is why there are so many spelling mistakes in the essays even of university students here. A words is written differently in different periods of time and nobody can be sure what version is the proper one. With the exception of university professors, all the rest are debating and chose the version they see fit unti they write something for a university professor and have to deal with the embarrassment of realizing they are making spelling mistakes in their native language in their middle twenties. So, George E. Koronaios (talk) 07:21, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
The person who created these files is a Greek so, he is familiar with these issues. Kazarma is the Greeklish version of the Greek "Καζάρμα¨which on its turn is the loval Greek version of the Italian "Casa di Arma." The locals may call it Kazarmas in everyday speech but the proper name in English is Kazarma Fortress. Both versions can be used. Kazarma Fortress, though, or Fortress of Kazarma are the most preferable, in my opinion. George E. Koronaios (talk) 07:27, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
I have just seen the images. In the description of this one (File:ΧΑΡΤΗΣ 1 n.jpg), the author of the image wanted to say "Archaeological map" but he wrote instead "MAP ARXAIOLOGY" which might be incomprehensible for some non-Greek users. For the record, this is a map of the region Argolis in Greece depicting the location of two archaeological sites. That is the Theatre of Epidaurus and the Sanctuary of Asclepius.
Here (File:Θολωτος ταφος καζαρμαςjpg.jpg) instead of "Tholos tomb" or "Vaulted tomb" he wrote "THOLOTOS" which is the Greek word for "vaulted" but written in Greeklish. In this case a non-Greek user might get confused a bit. He should have written "The vaulted tomb of Kazarma" or "The tholos tomb of Kazarma" which is the same.
Finally, here (File:Gefyra-arkadikou kazarmas (602x424).jpg), he has written in the description "MYKINAIKH", which means "Mycenaean" in Greek. He should have written, the Mycenaean bridge of Kazarma. This is what I found in the website of the Greek Ministry of Culture about the place. I think you will find it useful. http://odysseus.culture.gr/h/2/eh251.jsp?obj_id=1710George E. Koronaios (talk) 21:00, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
Oh George, thank you, but sorry for all the trouble I cause because of my endless questions. I'll keep quiet for a bit now. Have a wonderful day. Lotje (talk) 04:27, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
I enjoy your questions and what I enjoy even more is the feeling of having offered my assistance to somebody who does something useful. Furthermore, I have questions too very often but I never had the courage to ask anybody because I did not want to disturb them. I always had the feeling I am dealing with a severe bureaucracy or some kind of an evolved A.I. By the way, I did not understand at first what you wanted me to check. Only when I read again your message I checked one by one the files you sent me. Feel free to ask me anything anytime. This also encourages me to ask you questions myself. ;-) ː-) Have a wonderful day ahead, Lotjeǃ George E. Koronaios (talk) 04:46, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
Yes, there were two Byzantine (also called Late Roman) emperors with the name of Theodosius. The first one was the grandfather of the second one. Ancient Greece, however, is no more when those two get the throre. In the reign of the first Theodosius we can always talk about Romans and in the case of the region which is now brings the appeallation "Greece" we can talk about Greek speaking Romans, a large portion of whom (if not the majority) were also Christians. In the case of the second Theodosius, however, the largest part of the population in mainland Greece are Greek speaking Romans of Greek origin who are also Christians. In terms of chronology it would be erroneous to include this capital to this category. This is an Early Byzantine capital. An early Christian capital which derives from the "pagan Greek" and "pagan Roman" Corinthian capitals. I know how coplicated this may sound but I am not wrong on this one. This is not an ancient Greek capital. As soon as the Christian religion became the sole religion of the empire under the first Theodosius, there was made an effort in art to cut its pagan roots and create something new. This capital is the product of this tendency. George E. Koronaios (talk) 07:37, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
P.S. The boundary between what is Roman (in this case Late Roman) and Byzantine is abstract. There is no certain date which makes the transition from one period to another. The Byzantines called themselves Romans. The term Byzantine appeared in bibliography after the conquest of Constantinople in 1453. It is in a way a modern term. Some call Justinian I the last Roman emperor but other call Constantine I as the first Byzantine emperor. My impression, however, is that so long as Rome exists as the capital of a Latin speaking empire, then we can safely speak about a Christian Roman empire of the East and West. This comes to an end in 476 A.D. after the abdication of the last Roman emperor of the West Romulus Augustulus. This again is not something everybody would agree with. Some even condemn the term Byzantine altogether and talk about Romans until the death of the last "Byzantine" emperor Constantine Xi Palaiologus. This is a matter of great confusion in general and maybe a waste of time since there are way more serious and important things in life then arguing about the nominal beginning and end of an empire for the sake of an academic discussion. This is my opinion, though, and since I am not an academic or a historian it should be taken lightly. ;-) ː-) I can be sure, though, that a capital dating to the 4th or early 5th cent. A.D. is not under any circumstances an ancient Greek one. George E. Koronaios (talk) 08:12, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
Gosh George, this is getting more complicated by the second. I wonder if there is something in Greece which is easy. Lotje (talk) 12:02, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
You know, in cases like this, the problems start in transition periods. It is hard for the people living them to be aware of them. It is the historians centuries afterwards which define what period was transitional and what was not. In the case of the transition between ancient Greece and ancient Rome or ancient Rome and Byzantium, or the Middle Ages and the Renaissance, the dates are given by the historians so long as the majority of them agree that these definitions are correct. Even then, one or two centuries after these definitions, the approaches change either due to the impact a new political ideology has in historiography or due to new discoveries on the field of archaeology. Usually it is the former, not the latter.
For example there are three dates which define the transition from the Middle Ages to the Renaissance in Europe. The first one is the conquest of Constantinople by the Ottomans in 1453. The second one is the discovery of America by Christopher Colombus in 1492. Finally, the third one is the invention of letterpress printing in the 1450s (?). These are the dates I was taught define the transition from one period to another but that was years ago when I was a students. Things might have changed in the meantime.
In the case of the transition between the ancient word to the Midlle Ages in Europe, things are way more complicated because this transition took into account events related to the introduction of a new religion (such as Christianity by the first Christian Roman emperor, Constantine I or Constantine the Great and of course the abolition of paganism the Roman / Byzantine emperor Theodosius I at the end of the 4th century A.D), the collapse of a powerful political entity (the Roman empire in the West), or even an alteration of manners in regards to the administration of a powerful empire after several centuries (such as the reformations of the Roman emperor Diocletian at the beginning of the 4th cent. A.D.).
As you see this is a very complicated matter when it comes to classification of artifacts when those artifacts were made a little before or a little after those dates. In this case it is the authority and the prestige of the person who makes these classifications which matter. This prestige can derive only from the academic titles ones has on the subject. Since I am a hobbyist my opinion does not has the necessary weight so I usually base my conclusion on things I read in museums or books which in their turn sooner or latter will become dated too.
The interpretation of these things also are affected by one's education and attributes. A hobbyist will never be in the position to compare their knowledge with that of a professional. If that was possible then there would not be any need for universities or studying. This would also be unfair for people who have studied hard a subject and have earned after great labour an academic title.
Hello George, if it would not have been you, I would never have come to find this file was wrongly added to the article. Thanks! Lotje (talk) 06:16, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
Hi, when creating a category, add also a mother category (eg. [[Category:Churches in Athens]] for a church in Athens), so as it becomes part of the categorisation tree and being found when scrolling them. C messier (talk) 07:05, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
Good morning, C messierǃ Sadly, I am not sure how to do that. Is it possible for you, please, to give me an example of what I should type? For example in the case of, let us say, "The Church of Prophet Elias - Pangrati". What should I typed instead? I have the feeling, however, that it should be better if I did nto create any new categories at all and contact you instead in advance so that I would not cause any unecessary trouble to anybody. ː-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 07:45, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
P.S. This whole thing with the html and the commands is very hard to learn. If only it was just a matter of pressing a button just like in the case of replying to a message. In the recent past you had to edit the whole html text but fortunately they changed that. George E. Koronaios (talk) 07:47, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
I added categories in Church of Prophet Elias - Pangrati and so you can see how they look like in source code by pressing edit. As you see, to add a category, you take the whole title of the category (eg. Category:Churches in Athens) and add [[ before and ]] after and it is ready. C messier (talk) 08:13, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
Thank you George, for the many images and your relentless help and assistance in Greek history related subjects. Lotje (talk) 09:47, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
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Hello George, I took the liberty of linking to your userpage. Also I made a minor edit related to the year of birth. Hope you don't mind. Cheers :-) Lotje (talk) 14:11, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
Greetings, Lotjeǃ Yes, I am trying to decrease the amount of data on my page so that it is loading faster and also to be able to add more images without breaking the 5Mb (?) limit. In regards to the two churches, the one I have photographed and the one you showed me, they are two different edifices. The one I have photographed is a large church downtown Athens, while the other one is a chapel on Mount Olympus. This is the exterior of the church I have photographed inside outː File:The Church of Saint Constantine in Omonoia on August 16, 2020.jpg George E. Koronaios (talk) 15:49, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
Oh gosh, thanks George, can you check on what I did? Wouldn't want anything to be left overseen. Thanks and have a nice evening there. Lotje (talk) 17:33, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
Good morning, Lotjeǃ
It is early in the morning here and it is raining as if the world were about to end. There is, indeed, something I noticed. In the picture you showed me of the chapel on Mount Olympros, I noticed over its entrance two figures of saints, instead of one. Tηat is because, Saint Constantine is most of the time pictured along with Saint Helen, his mother. Saint Constantine is the Roman emperor Constantine I, the first Christian emperor of Rome. The church in order to honour him made him a saint after his death. Just like his mother Helen. Both names are celebrated on the same day of the calendar.
There are instances, however, where one sees Saint Constantine depicted alone. These are four pictures I have taken. In the first two (File:Mural depicting St. Constantine and St. Helen on June 8, 2022.jpg) and (File:Mural depicting Saint Constantine and Saint Helen on June 13, 2022.jpg) you are seeing both Saint Constantine and his mother Saint Helen. In the other two, however, (File:Mural depicting Saint Constantine on July 5, 2022.jpg) and (File:Mural depicting St. Constantine at the Cathedral of Athens on June 4, 2022.jpg) Saint Constantine stands alone.
From a short research I made, the chapel is indeed name after Saint Constantine and not after both Saint Constantine and his mother Helen. When I fisrt saw the image, I thought that it might bore the name of both but it is called by the locals only after Saint Constantine so that they do not have to repeat all the time the name of both saints. That was not the case, though. Consequently, all the edits you made on this file seem good to me. The categorization, I mean.
Hello George, sunshine where I am . Very interesting to learn about Saints Constantine and his mother Helena. I was able to put the correct name to a church in Custinne. Thanks to you. Cheers Lotje (talk) 13:21, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
I am glad you like them, Lotjeǃ You know, I always wanted to have a virtual collection of all the Roman and Byzantine imperial coins ever minted. I highly doubt I will ever have the chance to make this a reality but I will try my best. It is a bit sad, however, that these coins survived the mighty empire which once minted them. Have a wonderful evening, thereǃ ː-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 18:52, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
Good morning George, looking to Constantine VII and the description in this, stating Constantine VII crowned by Christ, detail of a contemporary ivory plaque, Pushkin Museum. and this file I was wondering if you could make an English description on the files here.
I removed this file ...Constantine VII represented as Constantine I the Great... because imo of no relevance and it only confused I guess, and also, not to sure if it is in the correct category here. Looking forward to read your thoughts on the above. Thanks. Lotje (talk) 05:49, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
Good morning, Lotjeǃ
I think the prson who published this file was as much accurate as it was possible for them to be. Check out this link which is also is given by them in the source section of the file (http://museum.doaks.org/objects-1/info/27455). These are not the thoughts of somebody (like me ;-) ) who does this as a hobby. Personally I would give credit to the author of the text.
It is not easy to identify a Byzantine emperor from coins, murals and paintings dating to the period he lived or after. The Third Century Crisis, and the constant invasions and civil wars throughout the Roman empire resulted to a decline in arts. It was something very natural since people struggled to survive and art was not a priority. War on the other hand was. Becoming a soldier gave you better prospects in life than investing your time studying an art.
Furthermore, the introduction of monotheism and in particular of Christianity brought an additional change in the art. The absolute rulers of the Roman empire and later on, the Byzantine empire, tended to assume the same appearance in public and in art as the gods they worshipped. Since the idea of God in Christianity was more abstract than in paganism and the depiction of the deity assuming the form of a human being was sacriligious, the emperors themselves in art had something spiritual and abstract so that they resemble less and less to human beings and more and more to saints, angels and even Christ. That is why there is a great resemblanse between the image of a saint in Byzantine iconography and that of an emperor.
Additionally, the descendant of an emperor should always resemble in art to his predecessor. This is something which can be noticed in the bust of the Roman emperors. Those who appeared to descend from their predecessors share the same facial features, haircuts, beards, etc. In the case, however, of the pagan emperors there was always something which make them differ from one another and was easily noticable. Unlike their Byzantine counterparts who as the centuries went by they all looked alike. Consequently, you can never be sure about the identity of a Byzantine emperor unless there is a series of coins, paintings, or sculptures with a strong resemblance to one another.
In regards to Constantine the Great, there are surviving coins of his and at least the fragments of one statue dating back to his age which can give you an idea of what he looked like. The problem is that the Byzantines depicted Constantine according to their traditions and customs. This is why in Byzantine art Constantine the Great has a beard while in his coins he was clean shaved. I suspect, however, that the Byzantines followed their own pattern in their depiction of Constantine the Great throughout their history and the Byzantine emperors who wanted to present themselves as his successors in power as well as in sanctity imitated that pattern even though had nothing to do with reality.
In conclusion, I believe the description of the file is correct but once again this is the opinion of a hobbyist, not somebody who has studied the subject.
Thank you very much George for this extra information. As it prequently happens (!), I did not express myself clear enough. Actually what I meant was this. Hopefully the user will react. But it is my intention to adapt the description of the image in the infobox. This is not a contemporary ivory plaque. I must say, I am happy with the detailed information you submitted here. It is all so very interesting. thanks Lotje (talk) 13:26, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
Greetings, Lotjeǃ To be honest I am not sure what is the issue here. THe description in my opinion is correct. Constantine VII is depicted in such a way as to resemble to Constantine I but in the way the Byzantines had decided it was proper to look like, and not the way he actually looked like. Constantine I is depicted in coins as a clean shaved mature man with short hair. In the time of Constantine VII, however, just like in modern Greek Orthodox Christian iconography, he is depicted with a beard and long hair, looking like Christ.
This is what Constantine the Great, actualy looked likeː File:Constantine's head at capitoline - Flickr - cking.jpg
This is what Constantine I looked like according to contemporary religious art which follows the Byzantine standarsːː
File:Mural depicting St. Constantine at the Cathedral of Athens on June 4, 2022.jpg
File:Mural depicting St. Constantine and St. Helen on June 8, 2022.jpg
File:Mural depicting Saint Constantine and Saint Helen on June 13, 2022.jpg
File:Mural depicting Saint Constantine on June 18, 2022.jpg
File:Mural depicting Saint Constantine on July 5, 2022.jpg
File:Mural depicting St. Constantine, St. Helen, and St. Paraskevi on November 5, 2022.jpg
Yes, I agree with you even though I am not very familiar with the use of Byzantine coins in Western Europe. Obviously this took place in the time of the Crusades and in particular in the time of the emperors Alexius I, John II, and Manuel I up to the 4th Crusade when the Crusaders conquered Constantinople and ravaged it. George E. Koronaios (talk) 21:06, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
Good morning George. Thank you for this additional information. The more I come across these kind of statements, the more I am convinced Religian has always been a coverup or face to justify war. Hence the creation of so many "holy days". That were days where (originally) there was no fighting allowed. Nowadays, with what is going on in Ukraine right now, proves the Russian Orthodox Church couldn' care less. Lotje (talk) 06:28, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
I think war and destruction are part of our nature as human beings. We are lucky enough not to be in the position of those responsible for these decisions and even luckier that we do not have to live with the consequences of these decisions in our everyday life. Outside my window I can see the sun and hear the voice of ordinary people chatting while going to work. No sound of sirens or bombs. I feel sorry for the Ukrainians. Their life changed in a blink of an eye. They did not deserve this. Have a peaceful day ahead, Lotjeǃ Always a pleasure talimg with you. ː-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 09:21, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
Thank you very much George. In that case, I guess you are best placed to decide which one of the close-ups would be suitable to add to the infobox of the article. Looking forward to the outcome Lotje (talk) 17:28, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
Good evening, Lotjeǃ There is something I noticed you may find useful.
This is an image I took of an artifact unearthed in "...the area of Karditsa" as the museum inscription readsː File:Neolithic clay figurine (The Thinker) at the National Archaeological Museum of Athens on October 6, 2021.jpg
It has been categorized as a Neolithic finding from Dimini. Karditsa and Dimini, however, are not one and the same place and, furtherome, there is no reference to Dimini in the inscription. I think the categorization in this case might be erroneous.
This, however, is a Neolithic finding from Diminiː File:Clay Neolithic vase from Dimini at the National Archaeological Museum of Athens on 28 September 2018.jpg
In regards to your question about the images, if I had to choose one of them it would not be mine but not out of modesty. I think there is a possibility it is not relevant to the subject. On the other hand, the image of the Neolithic vase I above is relevant but I do not think it is beautiful enough. I cannot take this decision since neither my images or those taken by the other contributors satisfy me. It is your callǃ ;-) ː-)
Good evening, Lotjeǃ This is not a pithos. The jug I mean. It is a small vase the size of a three bottles of beer placed the one next to the other. Pithoi are very large storage vases. In my opinion, the jug I posted should not be categorized with the other vases. It is your call, though. ː-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 23:10, 1 February 2023 (UTC).
Good evening from Athens, Lotjeǃ This is an artistic representation of an event mentioned by Plutarch if I recall correctly in his Parallel Lives and in particular in the Life of Lycurgus which is a short biography. Yes, the subject of the artwork is the one mentioned. Now, if you are asking me about how accurate is the depiction of Sparta in the time of Lycurgus (8th cent. B.C.?), it is not. The subject of the artwork, however, is about ancient Sparta. I hope I understood your question. George E. Koronaios (talk) 22:20, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
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Good morning, Lotjeǃ In this case the term "Kore" refers to a female statue of a woman dating to the Archaic period just like the term "kouros" refers to that of a man. The capital letter is used because it is at the beginning of a sentence. It should not be confused with the name "Kore" always used with capital letter and referring to Persephone. This is not a statue of Persephone but of an ordinary woman. Also, If it were Persephone, there would have been a mention of her name in the museum inscription along with that of Kore. So, none of the two "kores" statues I uploaded should be placed in any of the two categories. This is one of the troubling issues one had to deal with in general when using Greek terms or names by replacingthe letters of the Greek alphabet with that of the Latin. The terms "kouros" and "kore" when referring to the male and female statues dating to the Archaic period (6th cent. B.C.) have been in use for as long as I remember. "Kore" in modern Greek means "daughter" by the way. It is also rarely used with the meaning of a young woman (most often a virgin). "Kouros" is not in use anymore in modern Greek but it is the masculine version of "kore" and I guess means "son" and "young man." I hope I helped, Lotje. Please have a wonderful day aheadǃ ː-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 05:30, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
Good morning George, looking at the description (Stop and mourn at the grave of dead Kroisos, whom the raging Ares destroyed when he fought among the defenders), I noticed here it has been translated as:
Stay and mourn at the tomb of dead Kroisos
Whom raging Ares destroyed one day, fighting in the foremost ranks.
Would you have taken a photo where the the epigram on the base shows? Would be interesting to read in Greek and to add it next to the text in English? Lotje (talk) 05:32, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
I have a better idea, Lotjeǃ ;-) I found the inscription itself in the largest online database of Greek inscriptions on the planet (I think ;-) ). Check this outː https://epigraphy.packhum.org/text/1408?hs=69-77
Here, the word "προμάχοις" has been translated in the first case as "among the defenders" while in the second as "in the foremost ranks." In ancient armies the bravest and more skilled soldiers were placed before the rest in the battle formation. When the author of the inscription clarifies that Kroisos did not just fell while fighting for his country but among those who fought before the rest, he does to highlight Kroisos bravery and skill. The translation you found is more accurate than the one I have posted in the description of the image but the one I have posted is that of the museum itself. In my opinion you should leave it the way it is out of courtesy for the museum. For the record, however, "πρόμαχοι" are those fighting before the rest. Those fighting before the rest, are also fighting in the foremost ranks and they are also defenders. ;-)
Thank you very muuch George for this "insight" in Greek warrior history. Appreciate if very much. Unfortunately, nowadays, untrained soldiers are put in the frontlines. They should put the gerenals and Putin in the frontlines now. The are the best trained (in telling lies I have been told). Have wonderful day. Lotje (talk) 04:54, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
Good evening from freezing cold Athens, Lotjeǃ I do not think I have photographed anything else by Chairestratos. His name sounds familiar to me, though. I do not think I will be able to help you this time. ː-( I am always at your disposal, though. ː-) Please, have a wonderful enening. ː-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 00:36, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
Hello George, only me again. Here is states: Grave stele of Agakles son of Phrynichos from Khasan (Argyropolis) c. 400 BC] and I was wondering which Argyropolis this could be. Have nice (cold?) day. Lotje (talk) 06:03, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
Greetings, Lotjeǃ Always a pleasure talking with youǃ In my opinion, it is the first one in the list, the one in Thrace. In 400 B.C. the only Greek colonies in this part of modern-day Turkiye (Turkey) were on the coastline. The second Argyropolis (Gümüşhane) in the list, it is in the mainland. I also find it more plausible that a Greek from the cities of Thrace, which were part of the Athenian empire, migrated to Athens from Thrace than from northeastern Turkiye. Finally, I would like to add that this is not the first time I have seen this grave stone. I will be visiting the National Archaeological Museum soon and I will take a picture of it. Unless of course I am wrong and it is not there. If you take a look, however, at this picture (File:Unfinished funerary statue of a victorious ephebe.jpg) you will notice that the wall behind it, is identical to the one in the pictureof the grave stele of Agakles. Check out this map too if it pleases you (File:Ancient colonies.PNG). I hope I was able to assist you somehow. Always at your disposalǃ Cheersǃ ː-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 07:25, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
The pleasure of talking is all mine George. I will try to find some wikilinks to make with your findings. In the meantime, I came across this wonderful translation of words by Phrynichus. Please correct me if I am wrong. . Have a nice day. Lotje (talk) 12:26, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
I am aware of Phrynichus but I have not read his work. I am sure, however, that nothing has survived from his writings except of a few lines scattered throughout the surviving work of the ancient Greek writers. This time too I was not able to offer you any assistance. ː-( You see, I am wise but not that wise. ;-) Have a wonderful evening, Lotjeǃ ː-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 21:19, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
Hello George, would you -expectionally- take a look at the text and change for example the rpdyos yeveiov apa irevdriffeii av ye. text in Greek language? Thank you ever so much. Cheers. Lotje (talk) 16:41, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
Hello, this is incomprehensible to me. The person who changed the letters from the Greek to the Latin alphabet they have done it following a pattern mixing both the Latin and the Greek alphabet. I used to see this pattern in the dictionaries of old. That is why the test is incompehensible. For example the word "yeveiov" is definitely the Greek "γένειον" which means beard. However, instead of using the Latin letter "n", this person used the letter "v" which has a different sound in Latin and a totally different one in Greek. In this case what is read as "vː in both the Latin and the English alphabet, it is read as "n" in the Greek alphabet. The word "γένειον" should have been written in Greeklish as "geneion." Even then, however, it would not sound like the original in ancient Greek. Once again, I cannot help you. The word "rpdyos" starts with three consonants in a row. There is not a single ancient Greek or modern Greek word starting with three consonants. I cannot "decipher" this. ː-( George E. Koronaios (talk) 22:31, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
Thank you ever so much for looking closely into this. Confirming: even in those times, there were people writing nonsense. In German, there is an expression to put this in words: Papier ist geduldig meaning You can say anything on paper. Have a wonderful Sunday George. Lotje (talk) 04:58, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
P.S. I said earlier that there is not a single word in ancient of modern Greek starting with three consonants. That is not accurate in regards to modern Greek and most probably the ancient Greek. For example the chick pea is called "στραγάλι" ("stragali" in Greeklish) and there are more. The problem is that it is not easy for me to remember all words. In this case, however, the word "rpdyos" is incomprehensible. I also think that the person who posted this text made some mistakes while typing. It is something I do very often too. Apologies for still bothering you with this. George E. Koronaios (talk) 06:23, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
The book start with a quotation: Greek, Sir, is like lace; every man gets as much of it as he can. — Dr. Samuel Johnson. Lovely words imo. :-) Lotje (talk) 06:49, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
Hello George, today, I found an image of Herostratos. Thought you might be interested, maybe it can be enlarged to be added to the article and on wikidata. Cheers. :-) Lotje (talk) 12:30, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
Is this okay? (File:Portrait of Herostratos by Bernard Willem in the Rijkmuseum (Amsterdam).jpg) Please check out the information I added in the description. I am not very familiar with the procedure. I hope I did not make any mistake. Please feel free to edit what is necessary. Also, tell me if you want me to edit the file differently and reupload. Cheers. ː-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 14:55, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
Thank you so much George, this looks great imo. With your permission, I will add it to the article and on wikidata. Splendid
In my opinion, the portrait of Phrynichus is that of the tragic poet. He was the most famous of them all and the only equal to the fame of Alexander the Great. Compared to the others in the list I mean. In regards to Bernard Willem, I confused the author with the printer. I requested the name of the file to be changed by removing the name of Bernard Willem so that I will be more accurate. My apologies for the inconvenience and thank you for telling me about it. George E. Koronaios (talk) 21:03, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
If we talk about "the" Phrynichus, the tragic poet who wrote about the Sack of Miletus, and was a contemporary of the events which led to the Persian Wars (early - middle 5th cent. B.C.), then he should be called "the Elder." If, however, we talk about the second Phrynichus who was a contemporary of the Peloponnesian War (late 5th cent. B.C>) then he should be called "the Younger." This is the first time, however, I have heard about the existence of the second Phrynichus and also about calling Phrynichus (the tragic poet" as "the EWlder." Ancient drama was not either my filed of study or my hobby so I do not want to tell you something wrong. THe only thing I can be positive is that somebody sharing the shame name who lived decades before his is "the Elder" of two and not "the Youner." Just like the two Catos for example. George E. Koronaios (talk) 08:32, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
Always a pleasure, Lotje. Yes, that would be proper I think (but that is my opinion, not a recommendation or even a suggestion) until one verifies how many Phrynichi actually existed and then maybe creating two subcategories, one woth the elder and one with the younger. I think the format given by Wikipefia [1] is great. I mean adding a parenthesis after his name and writing in it the words "tragic poet." This is the most recognizable way to present him in my opinion. George E. Koronaios (talk) 09:34, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
Translation
Good morning George, Would you take a look at this image? I added some description to it (cfr. Wikipedia), but I would appreciate very much if you would translate the text in full? I have the impression some "pointe" is missing. thank you so much for your time. Lotje (talk) 05:59, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
Good morning, Lotje. The translation of the Greek text in the description is thisː "Athens - A man of the Security Batallions next to a hanged member of the United Panhellenic Organization of Youth as a retaliation for the assassination of the commander of the X (tenth) precinct in the area of Ampelokipi (Athens), Konstantinos Manolakos. The inscription (on the chest of the hanged man) readsː "This is how are punished the sell-outs (treacherous) assassins of Manolakos." This is one of the many horrific incidents that took place during the Nazi occupation of Greece between the collaborators of the Nazis and the members of the National Resistance. I hope I was able to help you, Lotje. ː-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 10:13, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
Yes, I agree it is too general. The Elder/Younger variation is the proper way in my opinion. In regards to Metrodorus the Younger, I learned about when I visited the museum. That is his only bust there and I have not come across any other bust of his in any other museum I have visited so far.
I would like to bother you about something else if I may. Last night I edited this file (File:The Grave Stele of Dexileos (4th cent. B.C.) at the Archaeological Museum of Kerameikos on 27 June 2018.jpg). I cropped the image and uploaded it. Now the image appears the way I edited it but as soon as I click on it, it reappears the way it was before my last edit. Is there any way to fix this? My apologies for bothering you with this matter. I am always at your disposal. ː-) Have a wonderful evening, Lotje. George E. Koronaios (talk) 18:14, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
Oh, now it is okay, Lotjeǃ Obviously, I missed something. My apologies for bothering you with this. Thank you anywayǃ Thank you very much for your time. ː-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 15:34, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
George, well this time it is me seeking for help :-) I must surely do something wrong here, because all the linking with the subcategories just does not seem to work. Wonder why. Magicians at work. Lotje (talk) 16:43, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
It is like internet connections. Sometimes the internet providers deal with certain technical issues which affect temporarily the quality of their services. Usually, this happens due to maintenance. This is my assumption at least. George E. Koronaios (talk) 20:24, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
Good morning Geroge,, imo, it is related to Wikidata. Usually changements don't take that long to reflect on the other sites. Have a wonderful day. Lotje (talk) 03:52, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
Good morning George, as I am getting rather confused here, I could do with some help :-) Is this the same sarcophage (different views) or did sculptors at that time also made copies/duplicates? Verry curious indeed, I am. Cheers. Lotje (talk) 07:14, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
Greetings, Lotjeǃ The story of Meleager and the Caledonian Boar was a very popular subject in the funerary art of the ancient Greeks due to its symbolism. Just like the Sphinxes or the swastikas in Geometric funerary art. Consequently, many sarcophagi were made depicting this scene from the Hunt of the Caledonian Boar. Cheersǃ
P.S. I have uploaded three different sarcophagi hosted by three different archaeological museums, having on one of their sides depicted the same scene from the Hunt of the Caledonian Boar. The most elaborately made is this oneː File:Attic sarcophagus with the hunting of the Caledonian Boar in the courtyard of the Archaeological Museum of Eleusis on 5 April 2019.jpg George E. Koronaios (talk) 20:45, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
Hello George, thanks for taking the time to look into this. It is the Der Sarkophagkasten und der Deckel (in der Form eines Dachdeckels) wurden zusammen gefunden, doch ist der Deckel für den Kasten viel zu klein. Außerdem wäre ein Klinendeckel zu erwarten. Die beiden Teile gehörten ursprünglich also nicht zusammen (Sabine Rogge). Guntram Koch datiert den Sarkophagkasten nach dem „Stilwandel“ der attischen Sarkophage, das heißt um 200–220/30 n. Chr. that puzzles me. describing the box and the lid were found together but the lid is too small for the box. On top of that, supposedly the lid would have been a Klinē one. Meaning both parts originally did not belong together. (Sabine Rogge) Guntram Koch dates the sarkophage after the "form of change" of the "attic" sarcophages, being 200–220/30 p. Chr. n. Lotje (talk) 21:53, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
I am not sure if I am following you but I think the spelling of Panagiotis Kavvadias is fine. On the other hand, the spelling of Kokkolata might be erroneous. In Greek, it is written "Κοκολάτα," σso in English it should be "Kokolata." I hope I helped you somehow. If not, feel free to make me as many clarifications as you like and I will try my best to answer you. ː-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 22:21, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
"Panagiotis Kavvadias" is certainly correct - his name was transliterated in several different ways during his lifetime, but that is by far the most common (and consistent with modern methods) used today.
Searching it on Google, I can see both Kokkolata and Kokolata for the village in English, fairly interchangeably.
I'm not sure exactly what you mean here - I've gone ahead and changed the spelling in Commons cat pages to "Kokolata" (I've left the file names as they are; would have to be done by someone else and seems a little minor), created a page for Category:Kokolata (Kefalonia), and put that on Wikidata. Is that what you meant? UndercoverClassicist (talk) 08:32, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
Good morning, Lotje. In regards to the sarcophagus at the Archaeological Museum of Eleusis depicting the scene from the Hunt of the Caledonian Boar, I remember there was no museum inscription anywhere near the sarcophagus. Consequently, I can make only assumptions. I agree that the cover of the sarcophagus lacks the necessary proportions to be an exact match with the rest of the sarcophagus. In regards to the dating I made the assumption the it was made sometime around the end of the 2nd century A.D. due to the number of artifacts in the museum dating to the Roman period and the 2nd century A.D. (File:Statue of Antinous (2nd cent. A.D.) at the Archaeological Museum of Eleusis on 7 June 2018.jpg) (File:Statuette of Dionysus (Roman period) at the Archaeological Museum of Eleusis on 7 June 2018.jpg). I think, however, that the dating of Guntram Koch is more accurate since there is a great resemblance between the reliefs on this sarcophagus and those on the Ludovisi Battle Sarcophagus (File:Grande Ludovisi Altemps Inv8574.jpg) dating more or less to the same period. These are the assumptions of a hobbyist ̈that is me), though, and not of a scholar. Cheersǃ
Hello George, looking to the secription of the file, I was wondering if this sculpture actually was one of the bases of a table. If positive, it coud be added to the category. Thank you so much Lotje (talk) 07:06, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello George, hope you are fine :-). Looking at the article, imo it looks a bit messy. I'd love to add some images into a small gallery, but not without asking your advise first. Thank you so much. Cheers. Lotje (talk) 17:08, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
Ah, I see. The only image I have taken of a sculptured figure resembling to Apollo Lyceus is this oneː File:Head of a youth (2nd cent. A.D.) at the National Archaeological Museum (9-3-2018).jpg However, it is not absolutely clear from the museum inscription that it belongs to Apollo Lyceus like the other three images of the article. There is, however a mention at the end of the article about other statues of Dionysus or Amazons with resemblance to those of Apollo Lykeios. Maybe one could use the image above or even this modern 19th century (?) reproduction of a Mattei-type Amazon at the Numismatic Museum of Athensː File:Mattei-type Amazon on October 1, 2021.jpg as additional examples. Personally, I would have left both my images out and keep only those already posted for the needs of the article in order to be 100̥ per cent accurate. It is your call, though. George E. Koronaios (talk) 05:22, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
Okay, perfect, thank you George, as you will have noticed, I made a small gallery of both the images that where in the article. Cheers. Lotje (talk) 06:17, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello George, this, imo is not really what one would expect on Wikipedia. The question is, who might be interested to make a nice article. Cheers Lotje (talk) 12:14, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
Yes, that is at least unsatisfactory. This is their website in Englishː https://www.mthv.gr/en/ I am not very confident about my English to write an article about them. I will give it a try at some point, though. As soon as I finish publishing and re-editing some images I have in mind. George E. Koronaios (talk) 20:46, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
P.S. By the way, I published this edited version of an older image (File:Statue of Aphrodite with a water jar (2nd cent. A.D.) in the Ancient Agora Museum on 13 April 2018.jpg), but even though it appears normally when I open the link of the page as a whole, when I click on the image, I can only see the older version. I re-edited the image so that the new crop version will not lose much resolution. Do you know why this is happening? MY apologies for bothering you with this. George E. Koronaios (talk) 21:07, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
Good morning George, thanks. I went and added the official website on the article page (for a start ) and I'll have a closer look to the image. Could it have to do with the date: 13 April 2018, 13:13:32. Cheers. Lotje (talk) 05:10, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
I went and completed the text with what the museum describes. You might wish to add the description in Greek :-) Have a wonderful day. Lotje (talk) 05:25, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
In regards to the picture I told you about the issue is fixed. Thank you very much, Lotje. As for the article about the museum, I am going to need some time before I start editing articles in Wikipedia for two reasons. Firstly, I do not feel confident enough for the task, and secondly, I do not want to start making any edits there before I make a serious and in depth research about the subject I am going to write about. This is going to take some serious time and energy on my part which at this time I have dedicated to the revision of my page in Commons as well as on the photographic material I have published there from all the museums I have visited since 2018 when I started doing this. It is, however, a serious intention of mine as soon as I have finished with this task to start of mine editing articles in Wikipedia on the subject of Greco-Roman history and art.
There is also something else I want to talk you about in regards to what I am currently doing with my page. A few years ago an unknown individual from Algeria sent me on Facebook a picture of a Roman statuette in a blanket asking me to date it anf if possible to estimate its price. That was back in the day when I had a Facebook page similar tot he one I have in Commons. As soon as I saw the picture and read his message, I decided to ignore it. Soon after I received a similar message by another individual and that message which I also left unanswered became the reason why eventually I abandoned my Facebook enterpise.
My mind, however, stuck on that image of that female Roman statuette. The moment I saw it I knew it was Roman dating sometime around the 2nd century A.D. In order to date it, I tried to bring into my mind similar statues I had photographed. It was not an easy task to browse all my images in Commons on that subject since I was not even sure about the date. This is how I began my enterprise of creating my personal page in Commons. I wanted to be able to date ancient artifacts through comparison based on a database I would be able to easily browse and rely one. That is why I have placed all the musaic artifacts in chronological order. I have also mixed vases, jewels, sculptures, etc. to make the browsing experience more pleasant and interesting to the eyes of the viewer and particularly to my eyes. So, whenever I come across an ancient Greek or Roman artifact, I go straight to my page and easily date it.
As soon as I finish with this task of mine, I intend to dedicate all my free time and energy on editing Wikipedia articles on my favourite subject and I intend to do it with the same devotion I edit my page. Until then I cannot do both because I do not have the mental or physical strength. Sincere apologies for this exhausting message of mine but I wanted to explain to youin full my motives.
Hello George, if I gave you the impression you should (re)write the Archaeological Museum of Thebes article, please apology, that was surely not what I meant. Imo in adding the link to the website, some people might get interested and dig into the subject. As to the requests you received from Algeria, I would not be surprised if the object was stolen. Asking the value of an object, that smells like strange to me. If you still have the image at hand, you could add it to your userpage or to a subsequent category. Cheers Lotje (talk) 15:04, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
Ah, okayǃ I thought you wanted me to edit the article. Everything is fine, then. Sadly, I do not kept the image. That was 5 years ago. Yes, I suspected the same. Have a wonderful evening, Lotjeǃ George E. Koronaios (talk) 20:19, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
Good morning George, you are doing very well Sigh, if only my knowldedge of the Greek language would be as good as your knowledge of the English language. Cheers. Lotje (talk) 05:29, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
Good evening, Lotjeǃ I find it hard to believe it is the same person. This is a drawing of funerary stele following the same pattern as this one (File:Grave stele (2). 4th cent. B.C.jpg). I have already renamed the file and uploaded an edited version of the older image so, you might have an issue to see it. At any rate, the Philocrates of the image is a deceased young man who had a dog and played music or enjoyed playing music or just enjoyed life. The Philocrates who signed the treaty with Philip must have been a mature man and his burial monument must have been something way more pompous, like this one for exampleː [File:The Grave monument of Nikeratos and Polyxenos (Archaeological Museum of Piraeus, 2-12-2023).jpg]. These are my assumptions, though. I hope I helped you somehow. Have a wonderful evening, Lotjeǃ George E. Koronaios (talk) 20:49, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
P.S. What he is holding in his left hand is definitely not a music instrument. I have seen ancient reliefs of harps or lyres but never of guitars dating to the pagan antiquity. I have also my doubts whether this Philocles had indeed a dog, he liked hunting, he died while hunting, or the dog sumbolizes his vigorous youth or some attributes of his character. On the other hand, I find it hard to believe this deceased young man was the politician for the reasons I mentioned in the first part of my message. George E. Koronaios (talk) 03:58, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
Good morning George, very interesting indeed. thank you for taking a closer look at this. Actually, I was thinking of adding the image to a Categeory:Roman aryballoi in art to be added to Category:Roman aryballoi. There are surely lots of aryballoi that have been presented in artwork (paintings and/or steles etc.) Have a wonderful day George. Lotje (talk) 05:10, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
Lotje, I cannot see the correlation between the image of Philocrates (which by the way in modern-day Greeklish would be written as Filokrates, even though this would confuse almost any non-Greek audience) and the aryballoi. I hope I do not miss anything and I definitely do not want to trouble you with unecessary clarifications. I am aware how precious is your time. ː-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 05:16, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
No problem George. Thanks anyway. BTW, can you take a look at this file where I went the extra mile to somehow make a readable/surchable text? The sentence anciently merited the epithet of tvvdgov ua-rv. could need some of your attention, writing it in correct Greek language. Baring in mind our earlier conversation with respect to mixtures of Latin and Greek, I feel very unsecure here. Have a nice day George. See you later. Lotje (talk) 06:18, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
No, Lotje, in regards to the Roman aryballoi in art and the Stele of Stephanos, you should not add the stele to this category since it dates to the 4th cent. B.C. Greece submitted to the Romans in 146 B.C. after the defeat of the Achaean League. Some city-states maintained a nominal alliance but in reality they were Roman satellites. After the death of King Mithridates VI of Pontus in 63 B.C. and Cleopatra in 30 B.C. the whole Hellenic world was fully and unconditionally incorporated politically into the Roman empire. From at least the 2nd century A.D. onward, every artifact made in Greece can be classified as Roman. This may partially apply to those dating to the end of the 1st century A.D. too. In short, the aryballos of Stephanus is Greek, not Roman. George E. Koronaios (talk) 09:22, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
I think the safest choice is "Categoryː Aryballoi" and maybe some kind of a redirection from Aryballos to Aryballoi since Aryballoi is the plural form of Aryballos. Then, a subcategory "Aryballoi in Ancient Greek Art" would also be correct, and maybe another one "Aryballoi in Roman Art."
Here, however, I would like to make another clarification. I have noticed in museums that in the case of sarcophagi found in Athens or the region of Attica, dating to the Roman period (2nd cent. A.D.), there is always the denomination "Attic" before the "sarcophagus" and not Roman. You see, in the 2nd century A.D. a sarcophagus would look the same either it was made in Greece, or in Italy. The locals, however, in Greece would always speak Greek while those in Italy, Latin. What I want to say is that in the end, there will be as many subcategories regarding the aryballoi in art as the provinces or regions of the Roman empire.
Furthermore, Greek archaeologists might get offended if a sarcophagus made in mainland Greece in the 2nd century A.D. would be called Roman. So, once again, the safest choice would be "Categoryː Aryballoi" in my opinion and for the categorization of any sculpture or painting dating up to the 2nd century A.D. one should ask an archaeologist. In the case of the Stele of Stephanos, however, since it dates to the 4th century B.C. when the Romans were non-existent in Greece, it could safely be included in a category about Aryballoi in Ancient Greek Art. George E. Koronaios (talk) 10:00, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello George, you might wish to take a look at this and give some advise to whom would like this category to be renamed. The last thing I want, is to offend archaeologists, be it Greek or any other nationality. Cheers. Lotje (talk) 11:51, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
"Corinthian aryballoi" is definitely more correct than "Corinthian pottery aryballoi." On the other hand, if one wants to make a subcategory related to aryballoi appearing on the painted surface of vases made in Corinth, I think the proper name of the subcategory would be "Aryballoi in Corinthian pottery." As you can see the "possibilities" are endless. Now, in regards to "Corinthian aryballoi", the name would suit to any aryballos that was made or unearthed in Corinth. One, however, should take into account the possibility to exist in ancient Greek pottery a type of aryballoi called "Corinthian" just like the "Corinthian" type helmets which were first introduced in Corinth but then were manufactured throughout Greece by most city-states. My knowledge in regards to ancient Greek pottery is too general to be able to give you any positive or negative answer about that. George E. Koronaios (talk) 14:06, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
You have been a great help George, I am starting to understand the importance of the different namings related to this subject. Thank you so much. Lotje (talk) 14:22, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
I made these wikilinks, because imo it is important to know it has nothing to do with the cooking oil we all know? Cheers. Lotje (talk) 14:27, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
In regards to the drawing, there must have been some kind of a mistake. It saysː "Greece, next to that of Nauplia in Argolis. It contains, within its walls, a town and three mosques." This is incomprehensible. Firstly, what is shown in the image is Corinth and not Nafplio. You may see the bulky hill in the background. That is Acrocorinth, the fortified hill used as the acropolis (citadel) of both the ancient and modern city. Secondly, there is no such thing as "Nauplia." There is Nafplio (Ναύπλιο), a town in the region of Argolis but as you can see on Google Map it has nothing to do with Corinth which belongs to the region of Corinthia. Nafplio is a coastal town, but there is some distance between the sea and the city of Corinth. Notice how in the image there is no sea. It is behind the back of the painter.
In my opinion this whole part should be deleted and replaced by "The town of Corinth at the beginning of the 19th century." In regards to the number of mosques, which possibly were three but I cannot verify it, one should make a research about it. I think, however, that by omitting those two sentences nothing wrong would happen. It is better one to keep in a text what is certain about and leave out any hints which might include gross errors. I would leave the rest of the text as it is with the exception of the "tvvdgov ua-rv.11" which is incomprehensible and needs the deciphering skills of Michael Ventris. I also think that the two sentences after the "After gushing from the rock, it branches into several small rills, which find their way imperceptibly to the lower city," should be deleted and the comma should be replaced by a full stop. I mean, this part should be deletedː "which, for that reason, anciently merited the epithet of tvvdgov ua-rv.11 I was assured that there were scarcely any vestiges of antiquity within the". Afterall, the last sentence is not complete and ends with a "within the". This is my opinion, though. George E. Koronaios (talk) 09:42, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
You are totally correct George, I also was in the opinion things got mixed up somwhere down the line. Hard to tell which leads to follow though.
If we are still talking about this image (File:A classical and topographical tour through Greece, during the years 1801, 1805, and 1806 (1819) (14742967826).jpg), I would like to say this. I read again the text and I think I understood what went wrong. The person who filled the description form wroteː
"Text Appearing Before Image:
Greece, next to that of Nauplia in Argolis. It contains, within its
walls, a town and three mosques."
What they wanted to say was thisː "According to the description of the image, this is a sketch of the walled town of Corinth with its three mosques." They know it is a Greek landscape, and obviously they have noticed the name "Corinth" written with bold letters under the image but they do not know what it is. They are aware of the existence of Naflio and of the region Argolis. They are also aware that the region where this "Corinth" lies, is located next to Argolis. In short what they want to say is that this is a picture of Corinth but they do not know what Corinth is. They have been lost in translation, literally. In conclusion, this is an image showing Ottoman Corinth with its fortifications and its three mosques. If you look carefully you will be able to see at least two minarets standing over the city. These are two of the three mosques mentioned by the person who uploaded the image.
If people with a limited knowledge of Greece, ancient Greek history, Greek georgraphy, and English will be greatly confused because by writing in incomprehensible Ebglish they create the impression that the image is about the town of Nauplio and Argolis and not about Corinth and Corinthia. In addition if you read the rest of the text, there is a mention of Peirene fountain which is located in Corinth. The upper Peirene is located in Acrocorinth (the citadel) and the lower in ancient Corinth itself. This is an image of Peirene I took some time ago when I visited the ruins of Ancient Corinth (File:The Fountain of Peirene at the archaeological site of Ancient Corinth on 6 April 2019.jpg). I failed, however, to find the upper fountain when I climbed the Acrocorinth which I photograph from the opposite hill (File:The Castle of Acrocorinth from the Castle of Penteskoufi on January 10, 2020.jpg).
As for the "tvvdgov ua-rv", I think you are right. One should leave it the way it is until somebody else has the patience to find this passage in Simonides and correct it. Personally, I would edit only the beginning of the text. I am going to do it so since you gave me your permission but please take a look at my edit in case I made a mess. George E. Koronaios (talk) 14:38, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
That person was little me I added some more from the text you can see wen you [View Book Page: Book Viewer] on the file, actually, if you make the sentence complete, it states:...
The Acrocorinth is at present regarded as the strongest fortification in Greece, next to that of Nauplia.... Lotje (talk) 14:52, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
Maybe in the future I should add the ... before the text. Better to undo your edit I guess, because that is not exactly what is written in the book. Cheers. Lotje (talk) 15:05, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
Of courseǃ I took the initiative because you told me so. I never felt comfortable with the idea of editing files other than mine. ;-) Also, you task as an admin is too time consuming and I cannot do both the editing of my images, my personal page, and the files of others with efficiency. My apologies if I let you down. ;-) ː-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 15:22, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
Oh, no bad intentions on my behalf. ;-) ː-) Yes, I have just seen the book. This is very interesting and a must be a great read. Here, however, I would like to add this. In the text you posted, that is "The
Acrocorinth is at present regarded as the strongest fortification in
Greece, next to that of Nauplia...", the author means Nafplio which in Greek is written "Ναύπλιο" and in Greeklish before Greeklish was invented, would be written "Nauplio." There is no such thing as "Nauplia." In Nafplio (Nauplio" there were two great castles. That of Palamidi (File:The fortress of Palamidi from the Argolic Gulf on 30 March 2019.jpg) and the Akronafplia / Acronauplia (File:Τhe castles of Akronafplia and Bourtzi from the Castle of Palamidi on 30 March 2019.jpg). Most of the Castle of Akronaplia does not exist anymore, as you can see in the last picture. Even in the Ottoman period the Palamidi was the most important castle even though Akronafplia was the oldest. So, when the author writes Nauplia, they mean the castle of Nafplio / Nauplio that is the Palamidi or the castles of Nafplio/Nauplio in which case they talk about both the Palamidi and the Akronafplia / Acronaplia. There is no such a think as castle of Nauplia because there is no place called Nauplia. Unless back then the are around Nafplio was named like this which is possible. Now, however, if one reads this, if they are Greek or familiar with Greek they will instantly understand what the text talks about. If, however, they are not, they might be confused. As you can see, I can talk about these "trifling" things forever. ;-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 15:20, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
That seems perfect interwikilinking to me. I mean, that is how you should do it I guess Nauplia (adding [sic] to clarify) or one of Nauplius Great. And absolutely, correct: ...cannot do both the editing of my images, my personal page, and the files of others with efficiency. Lotje (talk) 15:30, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello George, looking for a nice example to add to the word on wiktionary, I wondering if you could clarify. Is this (in the right arm) of the figure? Thank you so much for your time. Lotje (talk) 17:08, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
In my opinion, it is a lagobolon. "The American scholar John Anderson believes that the weapon originated in
I think the best example was the first picture you showed me. I am not an expert, though. The new category sounds great too.Always a pleasure, Lotje. Have a wonderful day ahead too. George E. Koronaios (talk) 06:48, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello George, good morning. I added an interwikilink to (Octavia?) because imo that is what the description of the museum refers to. If I am mistaken, please let me know. thank you for your time. Lotje (talk) 06:49, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
Yes, that is correct, the name is mentioned in the museum inscription with a question mark after it. There is an issue here, however. I do not think it is referring to Octavia the Younger (died in 11 B.C.) but to Claudia Octavia (died in 62 A.D.). I cannot be sure, though. Look at the resemblance between the two sculptures, the one I published and the one in Wikipediaː https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claudia_OctaviaGeorge E. Koronaios (talk) 11:24, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
Interesting, they are both missing their nose. (Wie zijn neus schendt, schendt zijn aangezicht, translated as: cut off one's nose to spite one's face.) The biggest difference imo is the fact the head of Claudia Octavia is missing the mural crown. Thank you George for your kind attention. Cheers Lotje (talk) 11:47, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
The mural crown was obviously added to represent the city. It is the date that troubles me. I do not see any reason in the 1st cent. A.D. a sculpture would be made with the facial features of Octavia the Younger who passed away decades earlier when Claudia Octavia was alive and additionally was the wife of the Roman emperor Nero. They would give her facial features to the sculptural representation of the city out of flattery toward the imperial family and in particular the emperor himself. If I were to bet my money on it (I do not bet in real life or play cards by the way ː-) ) I would say that this is Claudia Octavia and not Octavia the Younger. Your call, though. Always a pleasure, Lotje. Cheersǃ George E. Koronaios (talk) 12:10, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
All these female sculptures with these "diadems" decorating their heads in the shape of walls and towers are as the description of the file says, personificación de la ciudad, which if I am not mistaken means "personification of the city." These are three similar sculptures I have photographed about three different citiesː
1. Corinthː File:Head of Tyche (1st cent. A.D.) at the Archaeological Museum of Ancient Corinth on 3 June 2018.jpg
2. Sicyonː File:Marble head of a female figure (the Fortune of Sikyon?) at the Archaeological Museum of Sicyon on 8 April 2019.jpg
3. Spartaː File:Head of Tyche (2nd century A.D.) at the Archaeological Museum of Sparta (5-15-2019).jpg
All three are located in Greece and all three even though resemble a lot one another have a different museum inscriptiob after it. Tyche by the way is the Greek equivalent in Greeklish of the Latin Fortuna and the English Fortune. In reality all three along with the one you asked me about are the personification of the cities they were unearthed at and for reasons related to religion and superstition they were also related to Tyche (that is Fortune) and in particular the Fortune of the personified city.
In certain cases, however, like this oneː [File:Statue of Isis-Tyche-Pelagia (1st-2nd cent. A.D.) at the National Archaeological Museum on 27 April 2018.jpg], the sculpture of Tyche is represented as Isis and Pelagia too.
So, even though I cannot read Spanish, my assumption is tha the file you showed me is a sculpure of the personification of a city, it sfortune and at the same type with the attributes and the appearance of Aphrodite and Cybele. These are my assumptions, though. In my opinion, however, one should stick to the museum inscription.
So, if according to the museum inscription this is a personification of a city and at the same type a sculptural representation of Aphrodite and Cybele, no matter how similar it looks with other sculptures of Tyche (Fortune), one should not name or categorize this as a sculpture of Tyche. Once again, this ia my opinion. George E. Koronaios (talk) 11:42, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
Lotje, there has been a mistake, here. This is not Ventidius. The user Furius who uploaded the image is wrong. He has not included the museum inscription in the description of the file but I did. Here it isː "Portrait head of a kosmetes. Pentelic marble. Found in Athens. The part of the inscription on the front of the stele does not preserve the name of the kosmetes depicted, only that of the archon Kassianos. A.D. 225-250. Accession Number: 388." National Archaeological Museum of Athens. Text: Museum inscription. George E. Koronaios (talk) 14:22, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
P.S. The itext on the inscription uder the sculpture starts with "Under the magistrate Cassianus (Kassianos)" or "During the magistracy (archonship) of the masistrate (archon) Cassianus (Kassianos)." A "kosmetes" is not an "archon." These are two different kinds of magistacy. George E. Koronaios (talk) 14:25, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
P.S.2ː In Ancient Athens just like in Ancient Rome, the year bore the name of the leading magistacies. In Rome it was the consuls while in Athens the "eponymoi archontes" or "archons." So the inscription would start with the name of the archon, that is Cassianus (Kassianos) and then would mention the name of the depicted 'kosmetes." I do not know, where Furius saw or read the name Ventidius. It was not in the museum inscription, though. I am sure he has made a mistake. George E. Koronaios (talk) 14:27, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello George, hope you are doing fine. It was in the news last week, the Vatican returned Greek antique pieces of art. I only saw a flash of it, but I was wondering if I heard correct is has been added to the collection of the National Archaeological Museum of Athens. If that is the case, have you seen it? Curious to find out what exactly is was. Have an enjoyable day George. Cheers. Lotje (talk) 13:15, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
Gteeings, Lotje. I am fine, thank youǃ Yes, it is true, they were returned but not to the National Archaeological Museum. They are hosted by the Acropolis Museum which sadly does not permit visitors taking pictures of the exhibited items and publish them online. No, I have not seen them yet. George E. Koronaios (talk) 20:56, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
Yes, that is the one. The problem with this museum is that they are constantly changing their policy on this matter. Not a long ago I remember I read on their website that so long as one takes pictures of their exhibited items for non-commercial purposes they have no objection about it. Yesterday, however, that I checked again they say that they do not permit the publishing on the web of images of any of their artifacts. When Melissopetra took their picture the policy most probably was different. This museum is not like the others for the sole reason that it does not need promotion. Whoever visits Athens, visits the Acropolis, and whoever visits the Acropolis visits the Acropolis Museum which is opposite the Acropolis in one of the best neighbourhoods of Athens. They do not care about getting promoted or advertised. George E. Koronaios (talk) 20:46, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
Good morning George, thanks for the clarification. here I changed the description as per the information on the Myrtis page. It would be nice to have this confirmed by the museums themselves. It could have been a temporary exhibition in one of both museums. Cheers Lotje (talk) 04:26, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
Good morning, Lotje. The last time I went to the National Archaeological Museum, most of the museum was inaccessible due to the lack of personel. In my previous visits I never saw Myrtis. In fact, this is the first time I have heard about her. Obviously, it is a later addition. The next time I will be visiting the place I will try to locate and photograph her. The National Archaeological Museum of Athens has no issue with photographing its exhibited artifacts so long as it is not for a commercial use. Cheers. George E. Koronaios (talk) 05:40, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello George, wondering if the description should read Phalerum, or if the potter was named Phalero. Thank you for your time, or is is it something totally different. Cheers. Lotje (talk) 15:54, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
Greetings, Lotjeǃ Phalerum, Phalero, and Faliro are one and the same thing. It is like Hercules and Herakles. This, however, is the first time I have seen somebody writing the name of the ancient town like this. Nowadays, the tendency is to write it as Faliro but in the past it was written Phalerum. Do you remember a discussion we had in the past about the confusion the modern translation of ancient names has caused, nowadays? It is like Hercules and Herakles and so many other names. George E. Koronaios (talk) 21:20, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
Thank you George for the information. As you rightly say, confusion, that is the correct word. Have a wonderful weekend. Cheers Lotje (talk) 11:58, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
Greetings, Lotje. In my opinion the category should have been named in general "Corinthian type helmets" instead of "Corinthian helmets" even though the latter name is more in use than the former. For somebody who is not very familiar with the subject the latter name makes more meaning. This is my opinion, though. In regards to the image itself my problem is that no Corinthian helmets I have photographed so far [seeː File:Corinthian helmet (Archaeological Museum of Piraeus, 2-12-2023).jpg andː File:Bronze "Corinthian" helmets at Athens War Museum on November 22, 2022.jpg] have any crescent. Even in the museum incsription there is no reference to a "Corinthian" helmet but just "helmet." Here (File:Ancient Greek arms and armor at the National Archaeological Museum on October 6, 2021.jpg) on the other hand, all three helmets are defined as "Conrithian type" ones. In this case, however, (File:The helmet of Miltiades at the National Archaeological Museum of Athens on October 6, 2021.jpg) the upper part of the helmet has been badly damaged but it is still described as "Corinthian type." Personally, based on the pictures of "Corinthian type" helmets I have photographed I would describe any helmet resembling to a Corinthian type one as "helmet" and those "Corinhtian" ones I would call them "Corinthian type" ones. Fortunately, I do not have to take that decision myself. ;-) Cheersǃ George E. Koronaios (talk) 06:16, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
Good morning George. Thank you for the detailed information. Since Butko created the Category:Corinthian helmets imo, we should leave it up to him to comment on this. He might wish to change/adapt something In the meantime, I leave it for what it is. cheers. Lotje (talk) 04:11, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
Hello George, need your help on this one I am afraid Arriving at this painting by Glyn Philpot, wondering how a category should be named. Since I also came across this file with Mélampous debout, la prêtresse assise, avec les deux filles. I am pretty sure somehow there will be other images that would fit into the category. Would you have any suggestion for the Category:Melampus (mythology) be a logical name, adding it to Category:Mythological Greek seers? or would you have another option? Thank you so much for your time. Cheers. Lotje (talk) 14:30, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
Yes, Lotje, I think "Melampus (mythology)" is an excellent choice. A subcategory named "Melampus in art" or some variation of it would easily include modern paintings or any works of art depicting or being related somehow to Melampus. George E. Koronaios (talk) 19:42, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
Goodmorning, Lotje. I am not aware of any correlation between Aigosthena and Melampus (or Melampos) but not because there is none. I am just not familiar with the subject. ː-( George E. Koronaios (talk) 05:47, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
Greetings, Lotje. The St. Anhtony of my image is Anhtony the Great (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_the_Great), not the Anthony of Antioch. You can recognize him from the monk's hood he always wears. St. Catherine is the same St. Catherine in both cases. I recognize her. He looks the same in almost all cases. As for St. Lucian and St. Eunice I cannot tell you for sure. I assume there are the two but I can easily be wrong. Cheersǃ George E. Koronaios (talk) 20:07, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
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I had no ideaǃ I thought somebody would have created a category. I will create one as soon as possible. Have a wonderful Sunday too, Lotjeǃ George E. Koronaios (talk) 09:50, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
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Hello George, long time no wikisee . Just wondering, the nice images you create, would it be an option if you make the interwikilink the moment you create the file? Ik mean like I did here. Thanks and cheers. Lotje (talk) 12:48, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
Greetings, Lotjeǃ Long time no wikisee, indeedǃ I was thinking of you quite frequently wandering if you are still here. ː-) I am happy to hear from you againǃ Of courseǃ I saw your edit and from now on I will be doing as you asked. Have a wonderful evening, Lotjeǃ Cheers from Athensǃ ː-)
Hello George, by adding the interwikilinks to the images on your userpage, visitors will undoubtably be tempted to click and read the article(s) on Wikipedia :-) Cheers, and have a wonderful day. Lotje (talk) 04:20, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
Oh, Lotje, my badǃ ː-D I now see what I have to doǃ I should add the interlinks in the descriptions of the images on my page, not in the description of the images uder the images themselves. ː-) THank you for clarifying it to me. HAve a wonderful day aheadǃ ː-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 11:30, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
Hello George, this is exactly what I mean. Now the different color shapes are in the article. Thank you so much for the nice photo. . Cheers. Lotje (talk) 11:19, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
Greetings, Lotjeǃ Beautiful imageǃ It cannot be him because he died in 320 B.C. that is in the 4th cent. B.C. while the city of Aphrodisias, if I recall correctly, was founded in the 3rd cent. B.C. Also the name Gaius Zoilos betrays a Roman influence. When Zoilus died, there were no Romans in Asia Minor or even in mainland Greece. Zoilos and Zoilus, however, is the same name used in different periods of time in the manner of Demetrios and Demetrius. Cheersǃ George E. Koronaios (talk) 18:24, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
Greetings to you both. And thanks for that compliment. You may or may not know I have a private Turkey site, and at https://pbase.com/dosseman/image/38956489 you can read that (as happens opten) I received information from a "Guest". Luckily many more people writing comments leave an address, and sometimes I get in touch with them. In this case that was impossible, and I then use the "I was informed ..." to make clear that I have no source, other than that. I found a detail of the same picture, taken during a much later visit when I had some more information, there it says "A part of the monument of C. Julius Zoïlos, 30 AD". I just checked and found the original voice message I spoke into my camera, with that name and date indeed. So ... Dosseman (talk) 18:48, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
Hello George, I added a datalink to the file and was wondering why the colors are so bright. Compared to the other images in that same category, they look pale. Is that because of everything seems to look bright now in Greece after the elections? Lotje (talk) 04:20, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
Good morning, Lotjeǃ I increased the saturation of the image so that the dirt on the leaves will not be so easily noticeable. All other images you have seen in Commons about the actual color of the plant are closer to reality than mine. Cheersǃ George E. Koronaios (talk) 07:49, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
Hello George, wonding if you could take a look at the name spelled in Greek. Looks a bit strange to read this is an English name Παυσανίας (Q120106810). You might know what to do with it. Thanks. Lotje (talk) 08:22, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
Yes, Pausanias and Παυσανίας are one and the same name even thought it belonged to several different people since it was a common name in antiquity. THe most famous among them were the king of Sparta who fought against the Persians in the Battle of Plataea (5th cent. B.C.) and the Greek geographer who wrote a book about his travels throughout Greece in the time when it was part of the Roman empire (2nd cent. A.D.). George E. Koronaios (talk) 14:42, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
Good morning George. Thank you for the information. Pausanias, Pausanius, makes me think of Pauze. Still extremely hot in Greece. Keep safe! Lotje (talk) 05:24, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
Always a pleasure, Lotje. By the way, I noticed this category has four subcategories. The first and the third are about the same person. I mean, Pausanias (general) and Pausanias (king of Sparta). If one could merge those two subcategories into one under the name "Pausanias (king of Sparta)" it would be great because the images of the subcategory "Pausanias (general) are way more helpful and useful (in my opinion) than the single image of the subcategory "Pausanias (king of Sparta). On the other hand, Pausanias was firstly king of Sparta and then anything else. Cheersǃ George E. Koronaios (talk) 04:43, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
Under the "Category:Pausanias (king of Sparta)" where the image of the book with the poem about Pausanias you told me about, there is another category named "Παυσανίας (given name)." If you click on it, there are four subcategories in Commons. Two of them are those I mentioned you earlier (the first and the third). Since, however, you do not see anything wrong, there is no reason to be bothered about it. ː-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 12:34, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
Thanks George. The more I look at it, the more I like it. It must have a rather large size (comparing with the person in background) Lotje (talk) 13:11, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
Good morning George, can you take a look at this? I removed the Categories on Persephone and Triptolemus because they are not depicted. Have a wonderful day. Lotje (talk) 05:17, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
I have also photographed this sculpture (File:Relief with Demeter, Triptolemus, and Persephone at the National Archaeological Museum of Athens on October 6, 2021.jpg). It does depict Demeter, Persephone and Triptolemus. I hope I do not miss anything here. George E. Koronaios (talk) 20:33, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
My image is the original artwork exhibited at the National Archaeological Museum of Athens. You can see the signs of corrosion on it. The pinkish-brown colour is that of the earth which covered it until it was unearthed. The second picture is in my opinion a replica of the original artwork which can be bought by tourists or it is a copy of the original work hosted somewhere else. The artwork in the second image is not the one I photographed at the National Archaeological Museum of Athens. The second image was taken in 2005. Mine was taken in 2021. This kind of corosion and colour cannot be the result of the passing of just 16 years. George E. Koronaios (talk) 20:38, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
P.S. There is also something else I want to talk to you about, Lotje. I made my first edit in Wikipedia last night. I am quite new there. I am thinking, however, in my personal page there to cut and paste the html code from my page here and leave here just a link to my personal page in Wikipedia. Is it okay with you? Also, in the preview of my page there which I am still testing, I saw all the pictures I have listed here but not the content list. Is it possible for you to give me the code so I can use it there in order for anybody who sees my page there, to be able to browse it as easy as here? George E. Koronaios (talk) 07:39, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
George, just looked at your userpage, you might take a look at the one I made. Is that what you would like to have, or do you wish something else? Cheers. Lotje (talk) 10:28, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
Hello George, in that case, do you think it would be better to use the image you uploaded? After all, it is the original one. Thanks. Lotje (talk) 09:12, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
I think it should but not because I take it or because the image of Napoleon Vier is not good. In fact, it is easier for one to notice the figures in the other one. The one I took, however, is the original one. Your call, as always, Lotje. ː-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 15:59, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
Hello George, coming across this file, I was wondering how to describe it, user Napoleon Vier did not specify. Should it be renamed? Thanks and have a wonderful day. Lotje (talk) 06:06, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
Greetings, Lotje. This is an image from the Sanctuary of Demeter at Eleusis. It is also called the Sanctuary of Demeter and Kore (Persephone). I do not recall what is the opened space in particular on the right. I found two pictures of the sanctuary I have taken myself when you can catch a glimpse of it one from under it (File:The stepped terrace at the Sanctuary of Demeter in Eleusis on 5 April 2019.jpg) an done from above it (File:The ruins of the Telesterion at the Sanctuary of Demeter in Eleusis on 5 April 2019.jpg). That is the best I can do. ː-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 13:57, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
Hellor Georges, looking the the file, I noticed the description needs to be updated on the different projects now. Lotje (talk) 10:58, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
Good morning, Lotje. I was looking at the other project and if I am not mistaken with the exception of this one (https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demeter_(gudinde)), in all other cases either there is no mention to the National Archaeological Museum or the MET or there is a mention to the MET, which is no wrong. The problem with the case I mentioned you is that the text is in a language I do not speak and I do not feel comfortable messing with the text even if I only have the intention to help. Cheersǃ George E. Koronaios (talk) 00:25, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
I have just made two edits in the Greek Wikipedia on the subject because I was sure my Greek would not be incompatible with the rest of the article. George E. Koronaios (talk) 01:15, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
Yyes, Lotje, they are the same ears of wheat in both cases. Demeter taught men how to cultivate wheat. She was also the matron deity of agriculture if I recall correctly. I have just added the category you also mentioned under the image. Always a pleasureǃ ː-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 09:25, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
Good morning George, looking at this image, I was wondering if you could take a look at the descriptions in Italian. For example [3] reads: Monumento di Filippo II di Macedonia. A link to Philippeion might facilitate for those who do not speak Italia. Or even better ma be, to "wikilinking" all of them. Thank you for your thoughts. Lotje (talk) 05:33, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
Good morning, Lotje. I wikilinked as many names as I was able to do so. The tricky part is to know how the editors of Wikipedia have named a monument because mnost of the time they are not using the "old" English names but the new ones which try to imitate the sound of the names in the language of the natives. We had in the past a discussion about "Hercules" and "Herakles" etc. I do not think I can do anything more than what I have already done. I hope I did what you had in mind. Cheersǃ George E. Koronaios (talk) 06:48, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
Thank you so much George, you did even more than I expected . Am I correct in the believe the 12: Monumento di Tolomeo II e Arsinoe is in fact a monument for Ptolemy II Philadelphus and Arsinoe II? I'll try to dig out some more information and make datalinks if possible. As always, your knowledge will be of great help. Cheers. Lotje (talk) 09:02, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
Good morning, Lotje. I made some edits based on yours so that the original text will not be affected on a gross manner. I left the original text intact and made a wikilink based on that without adding the Wikilink next to it. I did not know how to do it before I saw your edit. Cheersǃ George E. Koronaios (talk) 04:05, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
Hello George, good teamwork here ! If you want to link to an article in another language than English, you can do this by (for example to the Italian language article) inserting: Temple of Zeus, Olympia. If you want to link to another language without adding any text in another language, you link Tempio di Zeus (Olimpia). Have a wonderful day. Lotje (talk) 05:01, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
Good morning, Lotje. I think this time I made a mess (?). Please feel free to edit and change anything I have done in order to appear properly in Commons or in Wikipedia. I need more time to practice with these things to get used to them. In regards to my personal page in Wikipedia, I posted the link of my personal page in Wikimedia with the intention to tell something about me in regards to my interests or my backgrounds to other Wikipedia editors. It is in my intetion to gradually start editing there but not before I feel comfortable with the procedure so that I will not make any mistakes which will embarrass Wikipedia or myself. Once again, please make any necessary edits so that my personal page in WIkipedia appears a proper sight. My apologies for the inconvenience and thank you for your overall guidance. I know how precious time is to all of us. In fact it is the only thing we do not have. Once we lose it, it is gove forever and no matter what we do it is impossible for us to get it back. So, thank you. ː-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 03:41, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
P.S. Also, I will have more time to focus on Wikipedia as soon as I finish wikilinking the images I have posted on my personal page in Commons. It is a laborious task and it will take me more than a month to finish. George E. Koronaios (talk) 03:44, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
George, imo you did not make a mess at all. I am not sure whether you wish to insert the photo along the with its description on your userpage, but I make the links I think you would like to have. Glad I can be of any help. Lotje (talk) 05:31, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
Lotje, thank you very much for your help and your guidance. I made my final edits on my personal page in Wikipedia and I linked it to that in Commons. I also added an image of mine and I made a few other changes. I tried to added the User el-4 category but I was unable to do it in Wikipedia. I managed to do it only in Commons. My apologies for bothering you about "myself." I will try to finish as fast as possible the wikilinking of the images on my page in Commons and then I will focus my activity mainly on Wikipedia with the greatest modesty and respect toward the edits of others and of course your guidance. Goodnight from Athens and thank you once again. ː-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 23:18, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
Hello George, glad I can be of any help to you. Linking to el-4 is done by adding the w:en:Category:User el-4 to your page. . My thoughts are with the people suffering from the fires in Greece. Earlier this week it snowed in the Swiss Alps and I pray Mother Nature will give a helping hand and sending down the deities of rain. But then again, Mother Nature is angry with humaniry because of all what they did to her. Cheers Lotje (talk) 04:29, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
Thank you, Lotje. I do appreciate your empathy. This is a very difficult situation for my country. I cannot help. however, but to think the Ukrainians and what they have been suffering for the last one and a half year. That is way worse than what we are dealing with, and my mind goes to them on literally daily basis. There is nothing worse than war. Let us hope none of us will ever have to deal with such an ordeal. Thank you once again for your kind words, your guidance, and your assistance. Take careǃ George E. Koronaios (talk) 05:02, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
Also this war on the Europeaan continent worries me terribly. The suffering of all the people in Ukraine and Russia, for the sake of what, I ask myself. Freedom, being able to make your own decisions and live the life one wishes. A treasure. George Chernilevsky (sadly) knows all about the sufferings. Lotje (talk) 05:18, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
One of my favourite novels is the Name of the Rose by Umberto Eco. I have read it several times throught the years. The last time I read it, however, was a decade (?) ago, and consiquently some parts of the novel I have started to forget. One of those I remember, though, is a mention by one of the main characters (William of Baskerville) of the scholars in the last phase of the existence of the Western Roman empire (late 5th cent. A.D.) when the western part of the continent was continuously ravaged by the invasions and eventually settlement of the tribed beyond the Rhine and the Danube. Instead of focusing on the collapse of their empire and the suffering surrounding them, for which they were unable to do anything to prevent, they spent their time discussing in depth about trivial matters such as grammatical mistakes, the origin of words etc. It was their way to survive the mental pressure they receive on a daily basis for many years of the gradual collapse of their world. This is how I feel whenever I come across a terrible war or a natural disaster, in person or through the news. This is also what I do in order to somehow deal with it so that I will avoid mentally collapsing in the end. This is also one of the reasons I am here. George E. Koronaios (talk) 05:58, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
Looks like a good book to me. There also is the film. I'll have to dig into this. Though, going through the article in English, I noticed the spelling of 'Jerome of Kaffa (Girolamo di Caffa) in Italian, the first of Caffa (Diocesi di Caffa. Wonder how it is spelled in the you book you have at hand. Cheers. Lotje (talk) 09:12, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
Yes, that is the one. This is also one of the rare instances where both the film adaptation and the book are of the same quality, even though the book is by far superior and the film does not follow the actual story to the end. Sean Connery was incredible as William of Baskerville. I was unable to find Jerome in the book. ː-( Even though I have read it several times, that last time I did it was a decade ago and the book is thick. I do not know where to find it. Even in this pdf (https://www.docdroid.net/wIUWCoa/umberto-eco-the-name-of-the-rose-1980-pdf#page=3) I was unable to browse the text in order to find the name. George E. Koronaios (talk) 10:01, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
Ah, Lotje. I have missed these excursions of mine. I have to stayed in Athens for the time being. I intend to start wandering around at some point, though. That was a great excursion. You know, not many people in Greece and abroad know about Messene. It is a vast city gradually unearthed in the middle of nowhere. It is overshadowed by Mount Ithome where the Spartans fought, conquered, and enslaved the whole nation of the Messenians after a terrible struggle. If I recall at some point both kings of Sparta fought at the same time in Messene. The nation survived, though, and when Epaminondas and Pelopidas destroyed the army and along with that the military fame of the Spartans, the Messenians regained their independence. The Spartans never returned. In addition, the ruins of Messene are way more impressive than those of the ancient city of Sparta. Finally, the whole region is extremely fertile and full of water even with today standards, unlike Laconia and Sparta which are merely dry and barren. In harsh environments, however, it is common for one to see nations of conquerors to be born. George E. Koronaios (talk) 12:10, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
Cisterns were (and still are) very effective. There should be much more of them. It would help the eternal fight against shortage of water. Mother nature is fighting back now... Lotje (talk) 12:26, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
Yes, there is sometrhing I noticed. The word "Messene" in the description sould have been linked with "Messene" in Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messene) and not with "Messenia (ancient region) for the reason that Messene was a city and Messenia the region where the city of Messene was located. I changed the Wikilink because you told me so, if I thought I should do something different. Also, what we see in the image is the Theatre of Messene located in Messene. One can partially see Messene in the background but I think the eye is focused on the theatre itself. Consequently a more accurate description should have beenː "The Theatre of Messene" or "The ancient Theatre of Messene" or "The Theatre of Ancient Messene" on a rainy day and several other combinations. Since, however, there is an article in Wikipedia about the ancient city titled "Messene" and not "Ancient Messene" even though both terms are correct, one should be satisfied with just "The Theatre of Messene." This also applies to the categories the image have been added to below. I think the "Ancient theatre of Messeneː should be sufficient. I would like to add also that there is no modern theatre in Messene. There are two ancient ones. The one in the image and the other one which is part of the Sanctuary of Asclepius which if I recall correctly was not used as a theatre by the ancients but as a place where the locals assembled for political reasons (the ekklesiasterion). I do not feel comfortable, however, to edit the file further without your permission. Maybe it should be better to do it yourself as an administrator iin case I make the creator of the file feeling uncomfortable. George E. Koronaios (talk) 16:20, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
Thank you George, I feel sure Νικόλαος Κυριακάκης will be most happy to assist you, since he speaks Greek . Also, George, there seems to be a small misunderstanding, I am an admin on the Flemish language project, not on commons. Apologies if I somehow confused you. Lotje (talk) 16:31, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
Everything is fine, Lotjeǃ No confusion at allǃ ː-) Sure, it would be my pleasure. ː-) I have very good memories from Messene. Have a wonderful eveningǃ Cheers from Athensǃ ː-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 00:51, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
In modern Greek the place is called Βραυρώνα. In old Greek it was called Βραυρών, just like in ancient Greek if I recall correctly. In English it is called "Brauron," obviously in an effort to imitate the pronunciation of the old "Βραυρών." In Greeklish, if one would like to imitate the sound of the old word, they sould write it "Vravron," but if they want to imitate how the modern Greek word would be pronounced they should write "Vravrona." "Vvravrona" is erroneous and my guess is that it is a typo. Once pressed too fopr too long the Shift and F keys. "Vavrona" is also erroneous and my guess is that somebody typed too fast and missed an "r" between the fict "V" and the first "a." George E. Koronaios (talk) 09:01, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
Thank you very, very much George. IMO this should be rectified, but I prefer you take care of that because, if someone makes a comment, you can correctly reply and explain. Starting a new topic on the talkpage of Brauron could be an alternative. Cheers. Lotje (talk) 16:07, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
Good morning, Lotje. Since the place in the title is called Brauron, I think this should be applied everywhere in the next. Somewhere, however, there should be a reference to the alternative appellations in "Greeklish." At least those which are currently in use. That is "Vravron" and "Vravrona." TModern day Greeks, however, calle the place just "Vravrona." Most probably one should use in the text only the modern appellation of "Vravrona" since I have noticed that Wikipedia tries to be as modern and adaptive as possible to the change Time brings to spoken languages. This is something, though, I do not feel comfortable to do without your approval. In short one should call the place either Brauron or Vravrona. Twenty years ago the term "Vravrona" did not exist. Nowadays, the name "Brauron" is correct but it might sound a bit archaic to English speaking users just like the name Vravrona might sound gross to mature academics. Your call as always. George E. Koronaios (talk) 09:16, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
To be honest I am a bit confused here. I think the proper action should be all the modern and older appellations should be somehow included in the article. The title should be left as it is (that is Brauron) and somewhere in the text there should be a reference to Vravrona (which there is but not under the title) if possible next to the ancient Greek appellation at the beginning of the title. George E. Koronaios (talk) 09:31, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
If I were to make an assumption I would say, it is not the same Xenokleia. Xenokleia was a common name back then and I do not see why a priestess of Apollo at Delphi would dedicate anything to another deity (Artemis) and not the one she served (Apollo) even if both deities were siblings from the same parents. This is my assumption, though and there is a possibility I am wrong. George E. Koronaios (talk) 09:07, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
These are terms related to Architecture which is a subject I have not studied and I am not familiar with. I am aware of the two tholoi at Delphi and Olympia. Now, in regards to the inscription, the term "tholos" can also be translated as "vaulted" which in modern GReek means "θολωτός." Once again, I am not familiar with the subject. George E. Koronaios (talk) 21:39, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
Hello George, adding the files to the category, I noticed on the Ekali article the name of the church is Agia Marina Church, is that the one? Thanks. Lotje (talk) 09:42, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
I made two edits, I though necessary under the two images but I am not sure about the coherance of my English. Modern Sparta was built over the ruins of the ancient one. The archaeological site of Sparta, however, covers only a portion of the ancient city. I also, made an edit under the image on the article about Sparta. I hoe I did not make any mess. I need to leave now. I will take a second look when I get back. Cheersǃ George E. Koronaios (talk) 13:28, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
Sparti is the Greeklish version of Σπάρτη (Sparta). There is no such a thing as Sparta in modern or ancient Greek. On the other hand the only people who understand what Sparti is are the Greeks or those speaking Greek. Once again one comes across with what I define with all modesty the Hercules - Herakles issue. George E. Koronaios (talk) 01:33, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
Lotje, I cannot be sure he is a prelate. At first I thought he was not but I have not studied the subject. Their vestments are mainly black (sometimes they are light grey, blue or even pinkish in Summer) and cover their ankles. This is, nowadays, though. George E. Koronaios (talk) 12:52, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
Lotje, this is the first time I have heard of this "Opion." However, this does not mean he did not exist. I do not know the name of all ancient Greek writers. There is also a possibility there is typo, a spelling mistake or an erroneous use of Greeklish. George E. Koronaios (talk) 13:34, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
No, Lotje it is irrelevant. Panagia Theotokos means something like "Most Holy God-bearer." It is one of the ways we have here in Greece to name the Virgin Mary. So, this church is dedicated to Virgin Mary. Saint Michael on the other hand, is the Archangel Michael. Always a pleasure. ː-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 22:57, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
Hello George, looking at the description, I was wondering if a rename of the file mentioning it is a replica would be an option (in order to avoid confusions). Of course, the text in Greek language could also be helpful. Cheers Lotje (talk) 12:37, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
Sure, Lotje. I have just renamed it. I do not have anymore the picture with the museum inscription.; I copied, however, with accuracy the one in English. For the record, there is a serious issue with several incriptions on this floor of the museum. My impression is that they lack accuracy. I copied them, however, as I saw them. Cheersǃ George E. Koronaios (talk) 00:00, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
Thank you George. ...lack accuracy..., in the Athens War Museum, that is something to think about and surely something they have to do about... Have a wonderful day George. Lotje (talk) 05:08, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
Wondering, George, if you could take a look at the description of the file. Copy from the omonymous painting of D. Tsokos. Though I made the interwikilink, an omonymous painting probably should read anonymous painting, but if the name of the painter is known, it is obviously not an anonymus painter, or... the person who made the copy of the original was anonymous. Your move now Lotje (talk) 05:28, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
Sure, Lotje. By "omonymous" he means "ομώνυμος" ("of the same name"). He wants to say that the name of the painting is that of the name he has given to the file he uploaded. George E. Koronaios (talk) 16:58, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
== [[d:Special:EntityPage/220PX|220PX]]. As to the file, i would be surprised to note the ancient Greeks had invented the plastic that long time ago. Imo, this could ba a translation of the German word "Plastik. Hav a wonderful evening in hopefully sunny Athens George. Lotje (talk) 16:55, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
Good evening from Athens, Lotje. I do not recall why I used plastic instead of ceramic. There is a possibility I saw it written somewhere in the museum. The museum inscription, however, does not include it. So, there is a high possibility I made a mistake. At any rate, I have just replaced plastic with ceramic. You are totally write. The ancient Greeks invented many things but not plastic. ;-) ː-D Have a wonderful eveningǃ ː-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 22:42, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
P.S. In regards to Ploutarch, I am currently reading the fifth volume of the Parallel Lives by Loeb and in particular the Life of Marcellus. You know, I first read the Parallel Lives in 1994. Then for the next three years I kept reading it again and I again. I think I have read it for more than twelve times. Then, for some reason, I did not read Plutarch again until very recently. Two weeks ago, however, I got in my hands the edition by Loeb Classical Library and since then I have been reading it with much delight. Bernadotte Perrin did an incredible job if I may say so. No wonder, there has not been any newer translation of the Parallel Lives by Loeb for more than a century. I am going back to my books. Cheers, Lotjeǃ ː-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 03:50, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
Hello George, having made an interwikilink (to the German language article), I was wondering, could there be a reason why there is only the amphoriskos (Q477146) and no English article. Have an enjoyable Sunday Goerge. . Lotje (talk) 06:53, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
Good morning, Lotjeǃ Amphoriskos in Greek means small/tiny amphora. So, the article about Amphora covers anything one needs to know about this type of a vase. I hope you have a wonderful day. Cheersǃ ː-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 10:16, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
Hello George, if you have a spare minute, could you take a look at this file? Thank you so much. Have a nice day. Lotje (talk) 10:47, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
Yes, Lotje, it is about the same subject. Check this out also. You may find the museum inscription useful (File:Votive relief of the "funerary banquet " type (4th cent. B.C.) at the National Archaeological Museum of Athens on 22 July 2018.jpg). Cheersǃ George E. Koronaios (talk) 23:42, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
Thank you so much George, I added some file to other categories. If, in your opinion, that is incorrect, please feel free to revert. Have an enjoyable day George. Lotje (talk) 06:41, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
You are going to love this. Check this out and make your own conclusion. The person who made the drawing had as a model the image I am posting you below. Also, the answer to your question is yesː File:Votive relief of the funerary banquet type from Eleusis (4th cent. B.C.) at the National Archaeological Museum of Athens on 22 July 2018.jpg George E. Koronaios (talk) 22:41, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
Good morning George. You are correct, I do like this :-) The only thing intriguing is the presence of the horsehead and the boy with the discus lik here. So, has this something to do with the Olympic games, I wonder, though... :-) Have an wonderful day in Athens. Lotje (talk) 06:40, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
Good morning, Lotje. I cannot identify the statue of this female discus-thrower. No women were allowed to participate in the Olympic Games. Check out "Kallipateira" in Wikipedia. I am also aware that in ancient Sparta women trained in sports like men in order to become strong and healthy mothers of strong and healthy men.
In regards to the sculpture with the boy the discus and the horse, it does not necessarily mean that the games which the deceased was possibly related to were the Olympics since there were three other games equally important (the Nemea, the Isthmia, and Pythia). Here too, however, I cannot positively say anything about the relation between them. Cheersǃ George E. Koronaios (talk) 07:39, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
Done maybe you wish to doublecheck :-) Lotje (talk) 11:58, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
Lotje (talk) 04:53, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
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