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User talk:Aa1bb2cc3dd4ee5#Fremde Bilder von FlickR --Aa1bb2cc3dd4ee5 (talk) 14:47, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Drehung der File:Farø Bridges aerial (from west).jpg

Hallo Drdoht, ist das versehentlich passiert? Falls das so ist, könntest Du bitte die Datei wieder auf die "Original-Version" zurücksetzen? Vielen Dank. -- Rillke(q?) 21:01, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Hmmmmh, Norden ist jetzt oben, aber irgendwie sieht es formatmäßig doof aus. Soll ich zurückdrehen? --Drdoht 00:37, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
Kannst ja eine Kompassrose reinbasteln (oder nur einen Pfeil nach Norden oder so). Wenn die Aufnahmen nicht orthogonal zur Erdoberfläche gemacht wurden, kann man bei Winkeln nahe 90° noch einfach entzerren aber bei vorliegendem Beispiel nutzt das auch nichts. -- Rillke(q?) 09:43, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
Hast recht, habe es zurückgedreht. --Drdoht 11:12, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

File:Sanka fbb9fb1e71025295584b4e1d35a2bb1f image document xxl.jpg u.a.

Hallo Drdoht, deine Auslegung des UrhG bzgl. dieser Fotos hat mich etwas überrascht. Wenn sie standhält, hätte das ja erhebliche (positive) Folgen für uns. Deshalb die Frage: ist die Gültigkeit dieser Lizenzierung/Argumentation schon einmal in einem Löschantrag oder anderswo ausdiskutiert worden? --Túrelio (talk) 11:01, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Hallo auch, ich hatte bisher noch keine Probleme, will aber dazu sagen, daß ich mich in letzter Zeit etwas intensiver mit der Problematik "WERK" und "PHOTO" beschäftigte. Habe dazu diverse aktuelle nationale Gesetze ausgewertet. Siehe auch die Entwürfe und Links auf meiner user-Seite. Ansatzweise habe ich meinen Gedankengang bei PDs für dänische und schwedische "Fotos und Werken" angelehnt. Ich denke dabei wie Du an eine fortschrittliche Lösung für Wikipedia!! beste Grüße --Drdoht 11:11, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
URAA Diskussion ist eröffnet!! --Drdoht (talk) 22:02, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

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Funfood ␌ 19:30, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Du kannst die Bilder auf Wikipedia de hochladen, da ist das gängig.--Stanzilla (talk) 19:43, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
Bitte was ist "gängig"? Darf dieses 62 Jahre alte Foto etwa nur auf Wikipedia.de und nicht auf Commons? --Drdoht 19:47, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
gängig bedeutet möglich. Ich kannte das vorher auch nicht es gibt die Commons:Hirtle chart, bei Outside of US wird das URAA erwähnt. Das kam wohl letztes Jahr erst zur Sprache und ist eine total dämliche Lizenzvorschrift. Commons:URAA-restored copyrights. Eigentlich war uns nur die Sprachverwirrung aufgefallen, wegen der ich das Bild einem Admin zeigte. Dumm gelaufen. Ich verstehe, dass du dich ärgest, aber man kann es immerhin lizenzkonform auf de hochladen.--Stanzilla (talk) 19:53, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
Keine Sorge, ich bin nicht sauer, nur sehr erstaunt und verunsichert betreffs USA und commons. Schaut euch unter dem Aspekt „50 Jahre alte Fotos“ einmal PD-denmark50 und PD-sweden-photo an. Ich habe für einige EU-Mitgliedsstaaten bereits die Rechtslage geklärt, siehe meine Entwürfe auf meiner Userseite. --Drdoht 20:05, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
Ok, ich werfe jetzt meinen ersten Blick auf diese URAA (bei Wiki beschrieben), mir fällt sofort auf, daß sie sich auf "foreign works" bezieht. Im europ. Urheberrecht wird unterschieden zwischen Werken ("works") und Lichtbildern ("pictures"). Möglicherweise zielt das URAA nur auf echte Werke (Kunstwerke, Portraits etc) ab? --Drdoht 20:17, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
Soweit ich weiss, ist hier "works" alles, auch Fotos. :S --Stanzilla (talk) 20:31, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
NeNe, ein Werk ("work") hat etwas mit schützenswerter geistiger Schöpfung zu tun, ein einfaches Foto ("photographic picture") kann ein Automat machen oder kann ein Schnappschuß sein. Bei letzterem stehen keine keine finanziellen Interessen dahinter. In den nationalen UrhG findet man ellenlange Abhandlungen (90%) über das Werk und nur am Ende (10%) steht etwas über Lichtbilder. Schaut mal bei der WIPO rein, da findet man die nationalen Gesetze auch mit Übersetzungen. --Drdoht 20:58, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
Der Originalgesetzestext 1994 steht bei http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-103hr5110enr/pdf/BILLS-103hr5110enr.pdf (bei wipo gibt es leiter keine Übersetzung dazu), beim Querlesen sieht man, das nur "works" enthalten sind, der Begriff "pictures" fehlt. Insgesamt dreht es sich doch um merkantile Interessen und deren Schutz, aber keinesfalls um Materie, mit der sich nicht MONEY machen läßt. Unter dem Aspekt müßt ihr bei Wiki das einmal durchleuchten. --Drdoht 20:44, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
Stanzilla hat recht, siehe die Erläuterung hier: [1]. --Funfood ␌ 20:49, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
Dass dieses URAA großer Mist ist, da sind wir uns glaub ich einig, aber das hilft ja nix.--Stanzilla (talk) 20:52, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
Nur die Ruhe, habe www.benedict.com gelesen, nix neues, es betrifft nur works und photographic works. Beispiel: das Hochzeitsphoto beim Photographen ist ein Portrait, ein photograhic work. Wenn das gleiche Hochzeitspaar von den Freunden geknipst wird, dann ist das ein Foto, "photographic picture". Die merkantilen Interessen des Photographen werden vom Gesetzgeber durch das UrhG geschützt. --Drdoht 21:05, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
Also wenn du das aus dem US Copyright Gesetz irgendwo hieb- und stichfest raus belegen kannst, wird dir halb Commons zu Füßen liegen :) --Funfood ␌ 21:21, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
Das wird relativ einfang gelingen über ‘‘§ 104A. Copyright in restored works - (b) OWNERSHIP OF RESTORED COPYRIGHT, wo das URAA auf das nationale Gesetz des Urheberlandes verweist. In den nationalen UrhG (meist bietet die WIPO engl. Übersetzungen an) wird nämlich glasklar unterschieden zwischen "photographic works" und "photographic pictures". Habe wikisource ergänzt: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/United_States_Code/Title_17/Chapter_1/Section_104A#.28b.29_Ownership_of_Restored_Copyright . Welche Paragraphen das für einige EU-Länder sind, siehe meine user-Seite. Näheres hierzu in Kürze hier ....
Gut, ich habe den Copvio-tag vom bild wieder weggenommen, ich denke das sollte durchaus auch auf COM:VP weiterdiskutiert werden - ich denke dein Englisch ist sicher gut genug um das dort mal zur Diskussion anzustoßen wenn du deine Infos beisammen hast? --Funfood ␌ 23:13, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
Moin, habe fertig. Jetzt wie weiter? --Drdoht 08:59, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
Ah, jetzt erst gesehen. Da hast du dich ja richtig reingelegt/gelesen. Danke schonmal dafür! Ich denke, das sollte (auf Englisch zusammengefasst) auf dem Copyright-Forum zur Diskussion gestellt werden. Dort sollten sich auch mehr US/internationale Auskenner finden, die dazu schon Erfahrungen gesammelt haben. Viele Grüße --Funfood ␌ 22:45, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
Hi, ich habe gerade alles auf meiner user-seite als Pkt.3 eingestellt, um zu sehen, wo noch formatfehler sind. Das Problem ist ja nicht auf D beschränkt sondern betrifft alle außerhalb USA. Sag mir bitte, was noch in den abstract rein soll, bzw. selbst ergänzen. Wenn alles ok, dann gehen wir in die Diskussion. besten Gruß --Drdoht 22:53, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
Der abstract ist schon eine gute Diskussionsgrundlage, es sollte aber vielleicht noch rein, wo denn nun wirklich von offizieller Seite zwischen den "works" und den "pictures" unterschieden wird. Eine sichere Quelle sorgt schin mal für weniger Nachfragen und Spekulationen. --Funfood ␌ 07:46, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
URAA Diskussion ist eröffnet!! --Drdoht (talk) 22:01, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Category:Media needing chemical classification

Hallo Drdoht. Danke für diese Kategorisierung. In einigen Fällen hast du den Baustein {{Query chemical}} durch Category:Chemical structures ersetzt. Die Kategorie ist aber viel zu generell und muss regelmässig ausgemistet werden. --Leyo 08:38, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Moin Leyo, ich dachte die Kategorie "needs classification" müßte primär ausgemistet werden. Und daher habe ich diese "organischen Einzelstrukturen" erstmal nach "chemical structures" verschoben. (wo ich, falls ich etwas brauchen sollte, auch suchen würde). Baustein {{Query chemical}} dachte ich wäre für das große Fragezeichen im File zuständig. Als Chemiker gehöre ich zu der Generation, die Formeln noch mit Tusche und Schablone zeichnen mußten. beste Grüße --Drdoht 08:51, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
Ja, diese Kategorie muss schon auch ausgemistet werden. Aber da es zigtausende von Strukturformeln gibt, muss die Kategorisierung schon etwas spezifischer sein als Category:Chemical structures. --Leyo 12:42, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

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Freiburg ist bei Commons üblicher als Freiburg (Breisgau) --Drdoht (talk) 15:57, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

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I am the owner of the original. --Drdoht (talk) 05:46, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

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Woher weißt du das der Fotograf 70 Jahre tot ist?--Symposiarch (talk) 14:22, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, unter Autor schrieb ich vom herausgebenden Verlag. Die Aufnahmen sind erheblich älter. Siehe Alice-Kaserne, die Schloßkaserne wurde 1903 abgerissen. --Drdoht (talk) 14:31, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

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Yours sincerely, Rosenzweig τ 16:11, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

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