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Luís Gonzaga Pinto da Gama (Salvador, June 21, 1830 – São Paulo, August 24, 1882) was a Brazilian Rábula (self-taught lawyer), abolitionist, orator, journalist and writer, and the Patron of the Abolition of Slavery in Brazil.

Born to a free black mother and a white father, he was nevertheless made a slave at the age of 10, and remained illiterate until the age of 17. He judicially won his own freedom and began to work as a lawyer on behalf of the captives, and by the age of 29 he was already an established author and considered "the greatest abolitionist in Brazil".

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Signature (Siggy) to prevent automated archiving. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 13:27, 26 December 2021 (UTC) .

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De beste wensen

Hallo Donald, bij deze stuur ik jou de beste wensen voor het nieuwe jaar, wanneer dat ook maar precies voor jou begint! ;-)

Groeten, Quistnix (talk) 20:48, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

@Quistnix: Bedankt, en een gelukkig nieuwjaar voor jou en je katten. 🐱 --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 21:15, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

Reply draft

Due to activity on the other talk page I'll draft the reply here.

Below this text.

Regarding the removed content from this edit I'll note why both the content and its sources should be included in sections below.

Concerning the self-published sources.

In general old Chinese coinages is a niche subject outside of China (and to some extent Japan) and non-Chinese works covering it is usually done by a small number of experts.

Regarding otherwise untrustworthy sources, the inclusion of the China Ancient Coins Collection Blog (中國古錢集藏網誌) in the Jurchen Later Jin Dynasty is to source the inscriptions as the website contains images of cash coins, as you can see I added it a day before I had found a better (academic) source there. In other contexts where this source is used is also mostly because of the images on its website that illustrate these cash coins, not any facts related to the cash coins themselves. Later the website Numista is cited, while Numista's catalogue is user generated, its list of Chinese cash coins was made by an expert based on Chinese sources. You also removed a quote from the Baidu Library, but this quote was from a contemporary document uploaded by a user, this is no different than quoting the Wikisource library for an original source document, which is a good usage of UGC as someone else had already pointed out to you. Artron is also another auction website mostly used for the confirmation of inscriptions, note that auction websites are known to authenticate the items in their stock and can be used for the authentication of certain inscriptions.

Regarding the other sources, namely Primaltrek, Ulrich Theobald, and David Hartill, well I have pointed out before that Primaltrek has been noted as reliable by the British Museum, Gary Ashkenazy has previously been published by the University of Arizona, both Primaltrek and his blog have been used by The Numismatic Bibliomania Society (NBS), the Royal Numismatic Society, among others. Most of the blog translates from and / or reports on Chinese news articles and rarely includes original thoughts by the author himself and in cases he leaves commentary this isn't used to back up facts. In the few cases when Ashkenazy has been wrong I have backed these corrections up with other sources. Regarding Ulrich Theobald (田宇利), he is a Senior Lecturer at the Department of Chinese Studies of the University of Tübingen, he is generally considered to be one of the leading experts of Chinese history outside of China. David Hartill is probably one of the more heavier used sources for Chinese dynastic numismatic articles and while over the years people have noted how he self-publishes he is an award-winning writer at the Royal Numismatic Society and while he previously published with them he opted to self-publish. According to him he self-publishes because most publishers say that Western / Anglophone audiences aren't interested in East Asian numismatic books, his catalogue numbers are the de facto standard for Anglophone publications (including academic articles) on cast Chinese coinages and his books are generally regarded to be the standard (reliable) works on pre-modern Chinese coinages.

None of the sources used were randomly selected.

Also, regarding Art-Hanoi, Sema is considered to be one of the leading American experts of modern Vietnamese currency and published together with Howard A. Daniel, III. Also, the Art-Hanoi website hosts articles by François Thierry and Eduardo Toda y Güell for pre-modern Vietnamese coinages and the Qianlong Tongbao issued for Vietnam is mentioned in Toda's account of this inscription. Again, like with Wikisource this is a (largely) reliable book hosted online.

Concerning the content and its layout.

Most of the removed content was first here before being used as the basis for other articles, this doesn't mean that the content has to be identical. Regarding the inscriptions you removed, well they were in the history section and were short summations of these periods, the Qianlong Tongbao inscription was used until the Xinhai Revolution and it was explained in the text way, the Kangxi Tongbao was also the moment when Manchu Qing Dynasty cash coins got their distinctive look due to an altered metallurgical composition, which was explained in the removed section. The Xianfeng and inflation section explains why Manchu Qing Dynasty coinage changed so radically after the 1860's, while it's used in another article in this article it shows the readers exactly how this change occurred. The list of Manchu Qing Dynasty cash coins is an overseeable list of inscriptions, the full list article is about every Chinese cash coin issued until 1912, but this list is specifically about the Qing, if lists could be transcluded it might be a better solution but a more detailed list could be used here, as I wanted to include more details here, but again didn't have the time for it yet.

The same with the other specialised sections, they are specific to the Qing. For example the vault protector coin article also talks about other periods in Chinese history while this one isolates the one issued by the Manchu government. The silver coinages that circulated during the Qing were also summed up here, this article is largely "an overview" containing short summations of periods and coinage types while more details are in other articles, most of the repeated content is just short content here. Regarding Tibet, a reader now has to go through the entire monetary history of Tibet before Communist annexation instead of finding Qing period coins in the Qing period coins article, this doesn't really make much sense to do.

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    • Wikidata's Q item explorer: Show claims where the item is the subject of the statement but doesn't show statements where the item is the target value.
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--Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 01:01, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Sceau du Dê Thám
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Add it here.

Signature (Siggy) to prevent automated archiving. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 00:51, 3 January 2022 (UTC) .

Nguyễn Thị Thu Cúc
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Infoboxes and subtlety

I know that you have largely retired and I actually did find the reason as you discussed it. First of all I am sad to hear that an LTA behaved like this towards you and that such a thing could happen on a collaborative website where we are all supposed to be collegial with each other. Anyhow, I noticed something interesting in this infobox, namely that its currency is listed as "Quan" (貫, "String(s) of cash coins") rather than "tiền đồng" and "tiền kẽm". This shows me that the people / person who added it likely was thinking in a way like we see modern currencies, namely that the largest denomination is "the base unit" with the smaller ones being subordinate to it, but in case of the Nguyễn Dynasty coinage system the opposite is actually true. The Nguyễn Dynasty coinage revolved around the zinc cash coins (tiền kẽm) for the simple fact that the majority of its population lived in absolute poverty far below that of many comparable societies. Copper-alloy cash coins (tiền đồng) were used by the Nguyễn administration and were produced until the end of the dynasty but they were always calculated in how many zinc cash coins they were worth.

Which brings me to the usage of "Quan", these refer to strings of cash coins but in no Chinese cultural society was its usage ever consistent and was based on how many cash coins were included in a string, these could range from anywhere from 50 (fifty) to 1000 (one-thousand) and in 1945 this mostly included strings ranging from 350 (three-hundred-and-fifty) to 600 (six-hundred), although the smallest denomination (issued in 1933) required a thousand (1000) cash coins for a single Piastre. During the Tự Đức period the denominations "Mạch" (陌) and "Quan" (貫) actually appeared on copper-alloy cash coins with the former being 60 (sixty) zinc cash coins and the latter being 600 (six-hundred) zinc cash coins. The Nguyễn Dynasty government always refused to collect its taxes in zinc cash coins because of their brittle and breakable nature as well as their low value, they were literally worth less than their transportation costs to them. Gresham's Law never really applied to pre-1945 Việt-Nam and the "good money" never pushed out the "bad money".

Note: Just realised that she would probably not care about this. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 14:24, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

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Christmas tree production occurs worldwide on Christmas tree farms, in artificial tree factories and from native strands of pine and fir trees. Christmas trees, pine and fir trees purposely grown for use as a Christmas tree, are grown on plantations in many western nations, including Australia, the United Kingdom and the United States. In Australia, the industry is relatively new, and nations such as the United States, Germany and Canada are among world leaders in annual production.

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--Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 15:19, 13 January 2022 (UTC) .

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