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Thanks for helping me

Thanks for the help. It's good to have someone experienced to help me with the more confusing bits. I've just uploaded my first image since reading your message (which you can see here), so this is the moment of truth: did I get it right? Alzarian16 (talk) 21:12, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

(Sorry, I seem to have written loads again!...) No problem. I was worried that I has given you a huge essay to read. But in practice it's simple. I simply copy the whole page (from edit view) of an image I've uploaded, then, paste it into the upload form (the basic version (just the empty box)). Then you only have to change a few bits and bobs (most of it can stay the same).

As for the Chase images - yeah, it looked fine to me! File name was OK, using bus' fleet number then the registration mark. I saw you added the chassis which is fine. The description was good (though I changed the order of the registration details and bus type, two avoid the links of "Chase Bus Services" and "Dennis Dart" being next to each other - but that's not really a big problem).

Categories were good too. I think when you upload images using a certain way the cats come up in the middle, and the licence gets put automatically after it. I switch this over to put that cats at the bottom of the edit view, mainly because HotCat ends up putting them at the bottom so it avoids having them all over the place as time moves on. But that's not really an issue either - I just do it if I'm doing something else.

I did make some other unrelated changes, you can see them here. Basically I added that it was UVG bodied, (but that's not going to be an issue if it's a regular bus type), and the cherished reg cat. Again, only small things.

The only thing I would say is the the vast majority of bus images on Commons have a space in the reg mark where the space is in real life. (i.e. AA09 ZZZ or S407 JUA). It's probably best if you do this too to keep it all consistent.

Apart from that - everything was great! As I say, these are only general ideas to keep stuff in line with what's already on here, in reality you can make any amendments and do what you wish! Nice to see some of your pics - you really have got a wide variety of pictures from all over the place! I look forward to seeing any more - you must have some real gems! Out of interest, seeing this Nu-Venture one, do you have any pics of the Arriva Volvo B7TLs (or other Arriva Southern Counties vehicles generally)?

As I say, the image was great, as long as you use common sense you'll be fine on Commons. Commons is much better for use of common sense than Wikipedia I find, much less busy here! If you need any help, please ask!! Hope that helps, Arriva436^{talk/contribs} 20:27, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

I have a few shots of Medway Towns B7TLs but they aren't the best so I probably won't upload any. Regarding Southern Counties as a whole: I don't live there so my collection isn't the best, but there are a few decent shots of Kent & Sussex stuff in particular which I could be uploading farly soon... Alzarian16 (talk) 18:01, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

OK, sounds good... (by the way, when were your Medway Towns Volvo shots taken?) I hope one day to get a photo on here of the Medway B7s when they were newer, with the original branding. The one that had the firework vinyl around the back was the best! Even if they're not great photos, any of these would be much appreciated! I've only got recent photos of a couple of them in Weybridge, yes, Weybridge... Rather bizarre. Arriva436^{talk/contribs} 23:13, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Greyhound on the Isle of Wight

Hi! As you may have seen, I was able to make it to Cowes in time for the launch at 2.15pm. I took around 20 photos and I aim to get them uploaded soon. However, I'm not very knowledgeable about coaches so I was wondering how they should be categorised and what the image descriptions should be? Although they are coaches, should they still be categorised under the main bus categories, e.g. "Category:Buses in the United Kingdom photographed in 2010"? Also I was wondering what the titles of the images should be. "File:Greyhound UK 23316 YN55 PXG.JPG" or just "File:Greyhound 23316 YN55 PXG.JPG" ..or anything else? Thanks, Editor5807^speak 19:12, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Ooh err, now that's got me... They are Scania K114EBs, so probably pipe the link like this: [[:en:Scania K114|Scania K114EB]]. They have Irizar PB bodywork (that's what National Express wanted at the time they were new (ironically they are indeed ex-NatEx and now they compete with them)). I think I'd have the name as "Greyhound UK 23316 YN55 PXG.JPG", to distinguish it from the traditional US coaches. Also, the coaches have names of people. 23316 is "Mrs Robinson" I believe, it should be by the front door. Obviously the SV buses have names so you know the procedure!! So I'd say the final description should be something like "Greyhound UK 23316 Mrs Robinson YN55 PXG, a Scania K114EB/Irizar PB, at Cowes Co-op during a promotional visit to the Isle of Wight etc... Might be worth a mention in the description that Greyhound UK is run by FirstGroup.

When Ultra7 created the cat structre, coaches fell in the main "Buses in UK cat" (and still do), as it's easier like that. Especially as most fall under type "coaches" and use "private" (or public transport in National Express/this case), and that's it. Also many coach companies run buses so the operators section is simple too.

As for categories, I'd go for Category:Images by Editor5807, Category:Scania K114, Category:Scania Irizar buses, Category:Irizar PB, Category:Scania buses in the United Kingdom, Category:Irizar buses in the United Kingdom, Category:Buses in Cowes (I think this would be OK?), Category:Coaches in the United Kingdom, Category:Public transport buses in the United Kingdom, Category:Buses in the United Kingdom photographed in 2010, Category:55 registered buses in the United Kingdom, Category:Greyhound UK.

Well done on getting the photos by the way! That's a nice event to get on the record, and few (if any) will have photos of it. Also, until I've got round to my photo of a coach I took before I got over the the island, there's no actual picture at Greyhound UK yet. I look forward to seeing the photos! Arriva436^{talk/contribs} 19:54, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Strange problem with new pic

Hello again. I just uploaded this picture, but for some reason the linked text isn't showing up in the summary. Any idea why this might be? Alzarian16 (talk) 18:28, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

There is a minor difference between two types of link. A visible link to Wikipedia, that should look like this... Wikipedia, is produced like this... [[:en:Wikipedia|Wikipedia]]. Note that there is a colon before the "en", as well as after it. If you want to say, have a category that has a link in the toolbar to its English Wikipedia counterpart (for example, Category:Optare Solo has a link down the toolbar on the left hand side that says "English"), then it is done like this [[en:Wikipedia]]. The difference between them is the colon in front of the "en". The problem on your image is that you have missed the colon out, a simple but easy to make mistake! Arriva436^{talk/contribs} 21:54, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Ah, I hadn't noticed that. Turns out I made the same mistake on this one as well, so it's a good thing we corrected it now instead of later.

VDL SB120

DAF/VDL SB120 is one manufacturer, but it is two brands! Categories are sorted too by brand. Marek Banach (talk) 12:16, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

OK, good point that it's Category:Buses by brand. I still think that means "buses by manufacturer" though, as "brand" could just as well mean by bus operator. Anyway, as long as it's all sorted properly, having separate DAF and VDL categories isn't bad, and as you have sorted it quite well, there's no problem! Arriva436^{talk/contribs} 21:22, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Binstead and Haylands shuttle views

Hi! I've just uploaded this file: File:Haylands Upton Road from Southern Vectis Binstead and Haylands shuttle bus.JPG and was wondering if I could get some of your views on it. A while ago we discussed on my talk page about how to name photos that were taken of places on the bus, and as the new route 37 is unlikely to be operated by open top buses I decided to take some photos showing the various locations it passes, with some of the bus included. I tried to name it in the same style as we agreed on my talk page as I was assuming your photos also show some of the bus? Anyway this is just one of a selection I took while on the bus (I was on it from Binstead through Upton Cross, Haylands and back to Ryde), and was wondering whether it would also be worth uploading the others, and in what way they should be uploaded. For example, would "File:Southern Vectis 643 K743 ODL interior and Haylands Upton Road.JPG" be a better image title? Also should it be categorised fully like a standard bus image? At the moment I have done this as it does show some of the bus. Many thanks, Editor5807^speak 23:40, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

That is a nice photo! To be honest, I was sitting on the second-to-front seat (and then moved forward in Freshwater), so my photos don't really show the bus. There are a couple that have got the "Bus Stopping" sign in though, so I was just going to put them in the "Southern Vectis Volvo B7TL" cat. However, I've got some shots of Robin Hill taken from 319 on the 10, which also show the interior, so it's the same situation as the open top in Haylands.

The file linked above (as it doesn't show the bus that well), is well named according to what we agreed the other day. I think that for any that show the bus particularly well, your idea of File:Southern Vectis 643 K743 ODL interior and Haylands Upton Road.JPG would be better. I think that if it shows a lot of bus (i.e it would be a useful image of the bus), then categorising it fully would be a good idea. Though as you may have noticed, someone's been playing about with the SV type cats, so that, say, the OmniCity cat has all the double-deck, public transport sub-cats, and then the images pages don't. Makes it more complicated IMO, but it was probably inevitable. Anyway, they don't seem to have finished with all the type sub-cats yet, so I'm leaving it for now.

I think it would be worth uploading the rest of the pics taken from the bus, they probably show bits of the area not in other photos.

Also, would having all the images taken from the bus being put in the Category:Southern Vectis Binstead and Haylands Shuttle be an idea? I think that's what I'll do with the 11 pics, as they are related to it. Arriva436^{talk/contribs} 21:46, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Query

Hi, me again. I found this image on fotopic.net and would like to upload it here for use on my newly-created en:London Traveller page. It says that it's been released under a Creative Commons 2.0 license, but that doesn't appear to be an option when uploading unless the image came from Flickr. Can I upload the image, and if so how? Alzarian16 (talk) 18:08, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Nice article again! Anyway, I'm afraid you can't use the image. If you click on the little box on the fotopic page about the license, it goes to this page ([1]), detailing the specific license. Unfortunately, the no derivative works, the circle with the = in the middle, means it can't be used, because obviously at commons the images have to be able to be changed. It's annoying I know, because I had the same problem with an image I wanted to upload! You could try and contact the author of the image though... Arriva436^{talk/contribs} 21:15, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll give that a go. Alzarian16 (talk) 16:11, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Wow, that was a good idea - not only did the photographer agree to let me use the pictures, but she also sent me two better ones! (This and this) Alzarian16 (talk) 17:15, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Older buses?

Hi Arriva436 I am planning a slide-show style video for YouTube to illustrate my song based on the poem Motor Bus by AD Godley (What is it that roareth thus, can it be a motor bus....) Do you happen to have photos of doubledecker buses from earlier times in the city of Oxford that I might be permitted to use? If so please email me on dwsolo@gmail.com If you don't, I would use the ones you already have on wikimedia, if that's OK with you.... Many thanks David Dwsolo (talk) 20:59, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Sorry for the late reply, I forgot about this to be honest. I don't think I've got any photos of older Oxford Buses that I haven't already uploaded. However, feel free to use any of the photos already on here. This file (File:London Routemaster buses at the Oxfordshire Bus Museum.jpg) has been uploaded to commons from Flickr, which might be useful. (Though the Flickr user has incorrectly said they're Routemasters...) Hope that helps! Arriva436^{talk/contribs}

Bus sorting

Hi, I've recently been doing some more work sorting the images in Category:Buses in the United Kingdom and the great news is that we are now under 500 images! However, to get this down even further there were a few things I wanted to ask you about.

There are currently a number of bus related logos in the category which of course couldn't be sorted into every category so I was wondering whether it would be better to create a new category along the lines of Category:Bus logos in the United Kingdom to house them all, OR divide that up further by creating something like Category:Bus operator logos in the United Kingdom and Category:Bus manufacturer logos in the United Kingdom? Or any other approach? I was thinking images such as 1, 2, 3 etc could go under operator logos and 1, 2 etc could go under manufacturer logos. In addition, I'm not sure but I was thinking maybe [2], [3], [4], [5], possibly [6] and perhaps many others could be transferred as it just uses simple text that I thought was ok to upload to Commons as it can't be copyrighted?

Also, there are a number of bus interior images that I have come across which I think would also be very difficult to categorise fully, two examples being, this one and this one unless of course my less well trained eye is not spotting key clues. Should these images just be sorted under Category:Bus interiors in the United Kingdom as well as any other relevant categories, or is there any other place it should be if we don't know certain details?

I hope all that makes sense. The new SV images look great as well by the way. Thanks, Editor5807^speak 11:23, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

That's excellent news. Thanks for all your help with this - it's fantastic! I can't even remember how many images it had at its peak, something like 1,200. I couldn't have sorted all those myself! About logos. I call it "branding" in my image names etc, because logos seem to get looked down on on Commons for being unfree. To be honest, I think it would be easier just to put the operator logos in the existing categories. i.e. 1 could go in Category:Southern Vectis, and also Category:Bristol Lodekka. If any more bus is visible, it might be an idea to fully add all the categories. For manufacture badges, I think just putting it in existing cats would be fine again. e.g. 1 is fine in Category:Daimler CCG6, as that's the only place where you'd go looking for it. I'm not sure there's any value in sorting images by the badges/logos, as it would be a mix-match of various images, that are unrelated apart from one thing (obviously being a badge etc.)

Regarding possible transfers, I'm not sure how simple the text has to be. The SV tour logos have a definite style to them. Also, I'm not sure there would be any merit in having them on Commons - they're fine on Wikipedia. As it stands, they're only used in the timetables. It's the Island Breezers brand that's most important.

Interiors is a tough one. No idea about the old bus, I'm too young to recognise it, though asking the Flickr user might be an idea. Clearly asking the Flickr user in the bike one won't work as it was just an image that happened to be on a bus. It's definitely an Arriva interior though. Apart from that. I don't know. It looks the be the luggage pen over the front nearside wheelarch, which suggests it's a low floor bus. Also, not many buses have a seat on the nearside, most have a pair on the offside wheelarch, so that may narrow it down in the future. I'll have to go on an Arriva DAF Cadet and take a close look and see if it's one of those!

Thanks for the compliment about the SV images. I've finished my 19 December before timetable changes now, and today uploaded a handful of Southampton images taken on 23rd Dec (picking up family for Christmas lol!). Now I'm onto the February trip - starting in Southampton, then across to the island. Though it was quite chilly, I achieved some nice sunny shots - except Sandown, which was awful weather and torrential rain. I saw you covered Sandown Esplanade for the 8, which is good seeing as the 8 is avoiding it from next timetable. I did the opposite end of the esplanade, so it's all covered! Even the two extremes of weather. You have 1151 in the sun, I have 1147 creating a bow wave! Also noticed the other day the Wightbus Raillink Dart was showing "Ventnor Botamic Garden"! Arriva436^{talk/contribs} 21:34, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Summary SV route images

I've been wanting to have a gallery of key images of the Southern Vectis routes. Now I've done the 10, 11, 14, 16, at Southern Vectis I have made some galleries of the key points en route. I was going to have a small gallery in the category, but though someone would only change that. I though it would be confusing to have a category and gallery for each route, so having it at Southern Vectis seemed to be a good idea - you can link to it from the category and it's all quite tidy. Any thoughts? Arriva436^{talk/contribs} 21:37, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Okay, that does make sense. What's been done so far with routes 10, 11, 14 and 16 looks good to me. I was thinking along similar lines before that it would be nice to group together all the notable sections and what has been done so far works well. Editor5807^speak 19:34, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Given their size and location, the coverage of Southern Vectis as a whole is amazingly good! Only Dorset Sprinter, with 14 pictures of 3 buses (thank you for those by the way, I'd been looking to replace that Ringwood shot on their Wikipedia article for some time now) could reasonably said to be better. Perhaps we should be focussing on improving the rather less well covered Midlands and Northern England companies... 62.64.133.229 12:54, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Hi, just one thing to clarify, are you Alzarian16 having forgotten to log in? The coverage for SV is very good yes, and it's more about just the buses. Routes and bus stops are all covered, to give a comprehensive view of the operations. I am often over there (more regularly than anywhere else) and often travel about and see a lot. I have just been to Bustival, and hopefully, I will soon finish uploading my IOW images and move on. In contrast, just going to a town and taking photos of buses can't ever achieve the same degree of coverage. I do have photos from lots of other places, like Bournemouth, Salisbury, Chicheseter, Dorking, Staines and (of course!) London, but I live down south, so unfortunately I don't have any and am unlikely to ever get that many photos of buses in the midlands and northern companies. Ultra7 did a good job with some North East stuff last year (though I won't go into categorising...), and I've been on holiday to Scotland and Wales, but apart from that, have nothing above Oxford really. I believe Jeni on Wikipedia is around the midlands somewhere but she doesn't seem to be able to get any photos sadly. Arriva436^{talk/contribs} 18:30, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes I am, well worked out. Did the Dorset Sprinter bit give me away? For some reason Commons didn't remember my login despite me clicking the box. Funny thing is that that IP bears no resemblance to my regular one, which starts with 82. It's good to know there's someone around with some decent North East images at least. I was in Scotland on holiday recently and visited the North East as part of that, so I may be able to contribute some there. What we really need is a regualr contributor from the North West, which appears to be something of a black spot. Alzarian16 (talk) 01:53, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Dorset Sprinter did give you away, especially as on checking it was you who changed the image over! It is a shame there are not people across the country, one problem is that some people aren't prepared to freely license their images. Quackdave has uploaded some useful NW pics, but he is not a regular contributor sadly. Arriva436^{talk/contribs} 15:27, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

SV interior cove panels

Hi again. I've just been going through some of my images on a long list waiting to be uploaded and I found several of the cove panels of the 07 batch of Citaros that you mentioned might be worth taking. They aren't brilliant images but the best I could get from where I was sitting, and unfortunately it was starting to get dark as well. Anyway, I've now uploaded them, 1/2/3/4. At the time I was on bus 457 on route 5. I've added them all to the route 5 category and added the first three revelant images to the route 9 category as well. Do you think they should go here? I was unsure, as I wasn't on route 9 at the time, they just show the map of route 9. Anyway, for the moment they have been added, but I was 50/50, so feel free to remove them from it if you feel it best. Thanks, Editor5807^speak 00:30, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

That's quite good timing, as I'm approaching my photos of when I got on the 5 to East Cowes and took some interior photos, including the cove panels. There's not the best either, one's a bit dark, another annoyingly so. Sadly I waited over half an hour for a 5 to turn up at Newport, and it was rammed with various prams etc and loads of people so scope for photos was limited. I did get a sharp photo of the bus in detail thingy, but I was sat directly underneath it so I couldn't avoid the text being upside down! I would say that it is right to add the relevant route 9 category for the images that have route 9 detail on it. One thing though, in your image descriptions it says "The displays still remain on buses 479 and 480 with all route 9 information being removed". I don't quite understand that to be honest, does it mean the internal route 9 coving panels remain in 479/80 while the external branding has been removed? Could be worth tweaking. On the subject of East Cowes, some plonker's decided to move the bus stop again!

Nice photos you've been uploading recently! File:Southern Vectis 1052 YU52 XVM rear.JPG is particularly good for the record as they've plastered an advert on the back now. Again, the Portsmouth Uni ones are good for the record. Apparently 1051, 1052 and 1053 were all in service today. Oh, and the new plan is for the Wilts B7TLs to stay in the coaching fleet for a bit, to allow the Olympians to move on. Also heard that the IOW festival fleet it beginning to arrive, with several said to be in Ryde St. John's station car park today. Arriva436^{talk/contribs} 19:00, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

I've realised I got an interior shot of 479 at Bustival (with its W&D seats (and Arriva driver's seat?!)), and there's two gaps on the coving, presumably where the route 9 stuff used to be? I think I said somewhere I got 456's interior again. Thanks to Bustival, 609 is now covered in great detail lol! Nice work on finding the 751 Route Rouge image by the way, I shall now remember to search for "SVOC" as well as Southern Vectis! Arriva436^{talk/contribs} 19:15, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I meant where the two blank sections are on the interior of 479/480 is where the route 9 details have been removed inside. As I was writing it I thought it wasn't worded very clearly, so I will go back and change it. I was in East Cowes the other day and noticed the bus stop moving slightly up the hill on Well Road, so I got a photo of the old pole which is all that now remains and the new bus stop.

Thanks about the photos! Unfortunately some have been taken with my much worse quality phone camera at times when I've either not had my regualar camera with me, or its run out of battery... On the subject of Flickr transfers, I've also found this image with an appropriate license for Commons which I was wondering if it could be worth uploading? It can't be seen too well but it shows an old style of bus stop used by SV not currently covered on Commons. I can't work out where abouts it is in Bonchurch today though...

Thanks for the info on the Wilts & Dortset buses. Interestingly Wilts & Dorset 721 was used on route 9 the other day at about 17:45, I would have got a photo but unfortunately was on the wrong side of a fairly full single deck route 6 bus and just noticed it go past. Although apparently it was again in service today earlier on route 9, although I wasn't actually there, so I may get another chance... Editor5807^speak 17:53, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

While you're tweaking the file descriptions, it might be worth changing the month they entered service with Bluestar in 452, 455 and 456 were February, and the rest were March. I think you've put 457 as February. Sorry to be annoying!

I took some photos of the scrubbed out "bus stop" markings in York Avenue. I have uploaded 453's cove panels. 1, 2, 3. 3 is the upside down one. I discovered that adjusting the contrast made them look better, 2, which was the worst, now looks respectable, and 1, which was a bit off, now actually looks quite good! I would upload the Flickr photo, why not!

The new timetable has come into place so the school fleet buses (i.e Olympians) should now be appearing at peak times on the 5 and 9 (as per [7]). Bluestar 504, 509 and 625 (see Category:Solent Blue Line), came over the other day (http://southernvectisbuses.fotopic.net/p64548617.html - ignore the date!). And finally, I've uploaded the Osborne House rt 5 photos, File:Southern Vectis 312 HW54 BUP and Osborne House entrance.JPG, File:Southern Vectis 312 HW54 BUP and Osborne House entrance 2.JPG. Which do you think is best? I've already put one in the route 5 infobox for the time being. (I'm quite proud of those photos, route five was all over the place with roadworks at Whippingham, and it was ages for 312 to turn up - and I couldn't see round the corner of the Prince of Wales! lol) Arriva436^{talk/contribs} 22:12, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the link. I've seen the Olympians in service on a few 5s and 9s now. The Osborne House photos look good too. I'd agree the one currently in the infobox is the best, showing all the bus. I would also agree Osborne House is a good location for the infobox photo. Editor5807^speak 21:22, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Funny you should mention that, as I found out the regular working of the Volvo Olys yesterday. 757 does the 0830 Newport to Ryde and return on the 9, and 759 does the 5 - 0845 Newport - East Cowes - Newport. I believe the Wilts & Dorset red Leyland Oly has a regular turn on the 9s too, from a school journey. That might help if your in the right place at the right time. I've heard that of the buses at Ryde St Johns, the Wilts & Dorset ones are for the festival (obviously), but the Bluestar ones will do a bit of schools as well. You've probably seen on the SV blog, the Reading Buses and others are helping with the IOW Festival buses - should be interesting! Arriva436^{talk/contribs} 21:33, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Running day May 2010

Hi! I don't know if you attended the Isle of Wight Bus Museum's running day on Sunday, but just in case you didn't, I managed to make a quick trip down for a few photos. I had work commitments later on in the day so could only manage about half an hour in the morning but still managed to take a decent number of photos of the buses that were there at the time. I also managed to get a few buses on the way down to the Quay, like Solent Blue Line's old 37 bus. Later on in the day I managed to get a few around Newport Town Centre later on the day as well. Initially I was planning to get the preserved 611 around Newport bus station, but then saw 479 operating route 2! So got photos of that instead. All of which I'll try to get uploaded soon, but I have a fair few to get uploaded now!!

Anyway, I was wondering, should all these running day images be uploaded into a separate category? I was thinking something along the lines of Category:Isle of Wight Bus Museum May running day 2010? Or Category:Isle of Wight Bus Museum running day May 2010? That way all your October 2008 images can go in a similarly named category. Editor5807^speak 21:36, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Cool. I didn't go, I've been to one bus museum running day so that will do for a while. Clearly there are some new ones on the scene at each event, but the same vehicles do turn up repeatedly, so (as much as I'd like to!), I can't justify coming over for every event. I've lost count of the number of times I've seen that SBL bus at various different events - it was at Bustival. I think Category:Isle of Wight Bus Museum running day May 2010 would be the best name, as they tend to have two per years, the May one for IOW buses and the October one for any buses, so including the month would avoid confusion. Bustival is unique as you get to see the ancillary vehicles which you can't really see elsewhere, hence I made an effort to see them out of personal interest.

I look forward to seeing your photos. I'm really busy at the moment so uploading the Southampton/Round the Island/Lymington/Christchurch pictures has slowed down. Hopefully in a few weeks I can finish that and then move on to Bustival! Arriva436^{talk/contribs} 20:39, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Adgestone Houses

I noticed you re-uploaded a better version of my shockingly bad photo of houses in Adgestone. I have no idea what went wrong when I originally uploaded it but I've noticed it happen to a few images. Anyway, I have the original image still which I was intending to re-upload ages ago but completely forgot about it so I hope you don't mind but I've tagged the current one for speedy deletion. Normally I would just re-upload but in the past when I've done that the problem still seems to occur! Basically only the top part uploaded correctly originally. Very strange really... Thanks anyway. Editor5807^speak 19:42, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

No problem at all. To be honest, I just stumbled across the file, and thought "I'll see what I can do" as I uploading photos was becoming a tad tedious! Even if nothing else, at least it's been brought to your attention and the problem is being sorted now. I've tried to find some of the other corrupt files in your user category (I could remembr there being a few), and I found these: File:The Yarborough Monument.JPG and File:Whitwell well dressing 2009 2.JPG. I also seem to remember a shot of 403's backside? Arriva436^{talk/contribs} 21:04, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

OK thanks for bringing the extra files to my attention. I've tagged those for deletion and will re-upload once they are gone. I uploaded one of the back of 404 which corrupted, which is now sorted. Trouble is I'm taking new photos at a far faster rate than I have time to upload to Commons, which is resulting in a massive backlog, which 404 just became a part of! Editor5807^speak 21:50, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Tell me about it! I've got thousands to upload! Arriva436^{talk/contribs} 21:36, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

File mover

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Categories by place or year of construction - discussion

What you thinking about this and this? Best regards. Marek Banach (talk) 04:38, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

I've commented on the pages (sorry about the delay, my Internet connection has been bad). Thanks for letting me know. Arriva436^{talk/contribs} 20:46, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Festival plan

Hi. As the Isle of Wight Festival approaches, I thought I'd share and get your views on what I was intending to do photo-wise. I've been looking at Southern Vectis' website which shows shuttle services from Ryde, East Cowes and Yarmouth, so I'll try to get to all these places. Large crowds on all the other services could also be worth me getting. Route 5 diverts through Staplers while Fairee Road is closed so I'll try to get buses on route 5 along there as well. In addition to the daily shuttles to and from the Festival site is there anything else you think I should try and get? I'll try to get the Festival bus station but this is the first year for many that I won't actually be attending the main event, so that may limit how close I can get.

Also, you may have noticed I went down to Yarmouth for the Gaffers Festival today (Sunday). I was surprised with the variety of vehicles at Yarmouth bus station doing the shuttle services between Yarmouth and the park and ride and luckily managed to get a decent number of photos. I've began uploading these now, and they can be seen at Category:Southern Vectis and Yarmouth Old Gaffers Festival 2010. I hope all is well, Editor5807^speak 20:38, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Sounds good. My internet connection has been appalling over the past few days to the extent that I can't do anything. I hope go through everything in detail once everything works properly again. Was 602 on Gaffers Shuttles? She has been the past few years (she went on her first Downs tour of the year this week). Arriva436^{talk/contribs} 20:52, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Yes it was, and I managed to get a few photos of it in service, my latest photo here shows it at Yarmouth bus station, although unfortunately I missed it on the Downs Tour. Editor5807^speak 20:59, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Right, my internet connection works again! Your plans sound good. I think the main thing is to get the main shuttle buses, especially as this year is using buses from different operators (unlike the past couple of years), which makes it more interesting. If it's anything like last year (not that I was there...!, just what I've heard), they really don't want anyone in the festival bus station at all, apart from authorised people. One thing I do remember from seeing photos from last year, is that they ran a shuttle to Newport Sainsbury's so people could go shopping. Don't know if they'll do it this year, but it might be worth a photo at Sainsbury's, especially as the bus stop isn't used by buses any more. Only trouble is, it's the other side of Newport to where all the other buses are and is a pain to get to! The 5 does turn left at the mini roundabout at Wootton Common (at Whiterails Road/Station Road) and use Park Road doesn't it? The 29 is presumably on diversion too, might be good if you can time it well! The only other thing I can think of is that the best place for photos, once again, is Racecourse roundabout, as all buses have to pass that point to get to the site. Only trouble is you'll look like a lemon, to put it mildly, and they may be some, erm "less normal", bus enthusiasts there. Maybe further down Fairlee is a better idea!! Arriva436^{talk/contribs} 16:11, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Progress

I've been out taking photos of the Festival buses in action and now have a decent number in Cowes, East Cowes, Ryde and Newport. Despite the appauling weather, I got most of it done on Thursday, but have been out and about on Friday and today taking various photos as I've seen the buses. I also managed to get photos of a Compass bus at Tesco, although in the middle of a massive rain storm! Tomorrow if I have time I'll try to get to Yarmouth as it's the only town entering the island I haven't made it to yet. In terms of operators, I've found vehicles from Reading Buses and Velvet Buses however am still yet to find anything from Emsworth & District which is a bit of a shame. All the vehicles I saw today were either SV, Bluestar or Wilts & Dorset... What I hadn't realised was routes 5 and 9 to Newport via Fairlee actually call in at the Festival bus station, so I've got a number of images from the top deck of route 5 of the bus station and various vehicles in it. Anyway, I've made a small start at uploading images so far, and hope to get the rest on here soon. As far as strange workings go, on Friday 1104 was on the X11, presumably because most of the coaches were on Festival work, and today 480 was on routes 5 and 9. I also have a photo of 1055 entering the Festival bus station with it's destination screen set strangely to "Bluestar"! Editor5807^speak 18:06, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Excellent, sounds good. I look forward to seeing the photos. Good to hear that you've got some Velvet and Reading Buses. As far as I'm aware, the only Emsworth bus around is 686, which came to Bustival (being ex-Southern Vectis), so it's not the end of the world if you don't see it. Good you've got the Tesco bus too - I've seen they've even had branding applied on the offside. As for 1055's display, the LEDs have the power to do anything... File:Southern Vectis 479 HF06 FUA with London Central display.JPG proves they're all Go-Ahead, at least. I have now finally cleared my backlog of SV images (yay!), including Bustival, so I can concentrate on other places. I went to Bracknell yesterday! Arriva436^{talk/contribs} 18:43, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Vehicle re-registrations

I've just been renaming my images from the default file names created by my camera for my Festival pictures so they are ready for uploading and have just come across bus 596 (NBZ 2184). I noticed that while it had it's old registration you took this photo in Cowes and was wondering, with the new resgistration should the numbering be continued as it's the same vehicle, so the file name would be File:Southern Vectis 596 NBZ 2184 3.JPG or reset after it's re-registration to File:Southern Vectis 596 NBZ 2184.JPG? Thanks, Editor5807^speak 19:26, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

No idea to be honest. The inclusion of registrations is to identify the vehicle, and help distinguish between different vehicles, i.e 301 and 301 (and the all important 609 & 609 lol!). As it's the same vehicle, it's really hard to say. I think, out of principle, the ...3.JPG says it's the third image of that thing. You would want to call it xxxy.JPG, but you cannot because there is already a xxxy.JPG, so you go on to call it xxxy 2.JPG. Therefore, in a roundabout conclusion sort of way, if the "thing" in this case is 596 wearing a cherished plate, as it's only the first image of said "thing" like that, I would call it Southern Vectis 596 NBZ 2184.JPG. That's the best reason I can come up with, I'm still not entirely sure to be honest. Can you think of any better arguments?

If we put thumbnails on each images page showing "this is the vehicle with its new registration plate" it should be alright. Neither file name is ideal to be honest, but I think including a number is "more wrong" if you see what I mean. Arriva436^{talk/contribs} 19:42, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

While we're disscussing this, would you agree that, as one of my local buses had an incorrect registration plate put on, you'd still name the file as if it had a correct one? Arriva436^{talk/contribs} 19:49, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

OK thanks, I was thinking along the same lines initially but thought it was best to ask. At least now images names are far easier to change at a later date anyway. I would agree that putting the correct registration in the file name would be best, as that's what it would be registered as with the DVLA and the fact that the bus is wearing the wrong plates can be explained in the description below. Editor5807^speak 20:01, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

that funny bus shelter shot

Hoi Arriva436, sorry for this, I thought you did. No harm meant :-) --:bdk: 18:22, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

No problem. I can remember == {{int:license}} == no problem, it's just that I tend to mix up the filedesc one sometimes, and get it wrong, and for small edits, it's a pain to preview just to find you've got it wrong. I usually to try and avoid bots having to come round later, but my computer internet connection is really slow at the moment (again!), and I'm struggling to load pages. Now you've brought it up, I shall try and use the new way from now on. I always do an edit summary, so it can't that that difficult to make sure I've changed it to the new templates! Arriva436^{talk/contribs} 18:49, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Southern Vectis or Bluestar and SV categories

Sorry to keep bothering you lately! It's just I was wondering which buses Southern Vectis had recently received to replace the Olympians which are due to leave? I'm assuming 505 is one as it's been on route 9 a lot lately. On Thursday of the Festival weekend I got 625 (K125 BUD) in Cowes in Bluestar colours and was wondering if this was another one to replace the Olympians, or just one brought over to help with the Festival. Also, I'm guessing these buses are now 'owned' by Southern Vectis and should be uploaded as "File:Southern Vectis 505 L510 EHD.JPG"?

Finally, with Wilts & Dorset's 401-404, I've added them all to Category:Southern Vectis Volvo B7TL as they have been operated by Southern Vectis. I was wondering, should all the Leyland Olympians brought over for the Festival also be added to Category:Southern Vectis Leyland Olympian and also the DAF DB250s brought over for the Festival be added to Category:Southern Vectis DAF DB250 as they have been operated by Southern Vectis, or should they be left out, as it's for a much shorter period of time than the Wilts & Dorset 401-404 buses? Hope all that makes sense! Thanks again, Editor5807^speak 17:47, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

No worries. The last Olys are leaving now, but I don't know what actual vehicles are in the coach fleet to replace them. I think it is some of the Bluestar ones, though 622 has died, so that's one down. I think it would be best to hold off uploading until we're sure, because, as you say, they should be uploaded as "Southern Vectis xxx xxxx xxx.JPG" if they are in the coach fleet. It's probably worth asking what buses are in the coach fleet and what buses are in the events fleet.

I think that only vehicles on long term loan should be put in the Southern Vectis bus types categories. After all, the "Southern Vectis and the IOW festival" cat means they are already in the SV cat scheme somewhere. If/when we create a "Go South Coast events fleet" category, then we can put all the short term loans in that category. I think the events fleet are due to do some Cricket park and ride and Glastonbury in the near future. Arriva436^{talk/contribs} 09:47, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

I've asked and the coach fleet, apart from the obvious coaches, is Wilts Oly 721 (on loan), and Bluestar 504, 505, 509 and 625 (622 has died). The BS ones clearly aren't needed at BS, so I would name them "Southern Vectis..." etc. Arriva436^{talk/contribs} 21:03, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

OK that's great thanks for letting me know. I'll upload my images accordingly. Editor5807^speak 11:17, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Southdown PSV

Good Afternoon,

Many thanks for keeping this page up to date for Southdown. If possible can you please change the picture to either 106 or one of the newer single deck vehicles. Any questions, please feel free to email me steve.wallis@southdownpsv.co.uk

Many thanks in advance.

Stephen Wallis Operations Manager Southdown PSV Limited

Hi there. You're welcome about the Southdown PSV page. At the moment, there aren't any photos of the new single deckers on Wikimedia Commons. However, I've just got to upload some photos I took in Sevenoaks, and then I will be able to upload the photos I took in Crawley (I like to do it in chronological order). I got some pictures of your Enviro200s for the 526/527, so I will swap the image over when I have uploaded them. This should be in about a week or so. Hope that's OK with you. Arriva436^{talk/contribs} 21:40, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Southern Vectis or Wightbus

I know your away at the moment, but with the new timetable now available on Southern Vectis' website, a few things have come up which have confused me slightlely which you will hopefully be able to help with. I assumed that as Southern Vectis had cancelled their operation of route 6, it would no longer be run by them, and would become a Wightbus route, although on the new timetable it's listed alongside the rest of the routes they operate. So, is it likely to remain operated by Southern Vectis, just completely funded by the Isle of Wight Council, or are they just included in the timetable because it's got major changes occuring to it and to allow users to see the times before the Isle of Wight Council publish their own public transport handbook? This is also the case with new routes 12 and 25. Additionally, route 37 is also still there, just ending earlier in the day. If routes 6 and 37 are basically staying the same just with various services removed then I should, for the moment probably focus effort on things that will be changing, like route 7, the 8 at Tesco, 2 in Rookley and Ryde, 3 in Merstone etc and of course Wightbus.

Also thanks for changing all those dates for me. You may have noticed I've been using a different camera. I took my regular one to the beach and it got sand in the lens! Luckily it's off for repairs and I've managed to borrow another temporarily but I only noticed the date settings were wrong when I started to upload images. This has now been fixed but I do have a few others to upload with the wrong date. Editor5807^speak 23:28, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Well, I'm back! And I've taken waay too many photos! Fortunately some are general interest, and not all are just buses. As I said, I've taken loads, but some highlights are:

Medina High School pm (including a 29 and SVs that went past. 1105 was on a school route which was a bonus!)
Various Wightbus bits.
Route 1 in various different places in Cowes/Northwood.
Bunching on route 8, yes really, route 8! I just about managed a shot at Newport, and got on the bus behind (which was on time). We left, but caught up with the other bus by Coppins Bridge. We managed to properly stop with the other bus in Furlongs (by going through a red light...), and everyone got turfed off the back bus onto the one in front, so I took another photo. Not good for anyone who wanted Tesco, as the one-bus-doing-two-journeys went via Seaview. It was actually running one hour behind schedule, despite there being no roadworks. Just proves the timetable is hopeless.
Buses at St Johns Station.
Military Road photos from a no. 7. (I tactically got on before it did the double run to Alum Bay (where the top deck was completely full) so I had to front seat!!). The Mili Road traffic lights were broken, so that was red light flouting number 2 (no 3 was a genuine couldn't be bothered to stop at St James Square - not good).
Pixley Hill. This was good (apart from nearly being killed by passing traffic while waiting for the buses to come!), as someone got stuck and had to reverse out of the way of the bus.
School routes 52 and 55 in Cowes, am. I wanted to get the Wightbus coach on the 52 in Westhill Road, that being the old bus terminus in Cowes, but annoyingly couldn't, as then I'd have missed the 55, so I settled for Northwood.
Hairpin Bend in Winford with route 8s.
Carisbrook schools, pm. After this I was sick so missed photographing 505 driving into Newport with the engine flap open!
Solent Middle School, am.
Cowes High, pm.

Regarding route 6, this might help. http://ventnorblog.com/2010/07/16/southern-vectis-response-on-change-to-bus-service/ SV registered the changes ready for the 56-day limit for bus service changes, so they had to cancell the 6. Last ditch talks with the council would appear to have saved it, and under the law, the 56-day limit is reduced if the council back it. I think this is really intended for if a bus company dies, and others have to take over on emergency contracts, and SV seem to be working the system as it were. So route 6 will still be run by SV.

Good idea about focusing on the routes that a changing, the timetables are now on the SV site. I had a feeling the 8 might be cut from Tesco, as that's mostly served by other bus routes. I can't belive they're using the number 12 again...! Arriva436^{talk/contribs} 21:05, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Cowes Week 2010

The event is fast approaching, and there are just a few things I was wondering if you could help with beforehand. I've noticed you normally come down for some of the event in previous years, but since it was only the other day you were on the island, I was wondering if you still were this year? As if your not, I'll try to focus on getting photos of double-deckers on route 1, route bunching etc myself. Also, do you know if the Sailbus is running again this year? I remember hearing something in the County Press that it might be cancelled and wondered if you had heard any more? Also last year I know Southern Vectis ran a number of coach services around the island after firework night. I've seen no publicity for this at all this year so I'm assuming they've been dropped? Thanks, Editor5807^speak 23:51, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Yep, I'll be there hopefully, although I will be busy doing other things. I have a bizarre wish to ride the 29 before it's withdrawn along its whole route from Ryde to Newport! Haven't seen anything on the SV site or anywhere else for the Firework night coaches, so I doubt they're doing it. As for the Sailbus, I'd read the County Press article. The most up-to-date info I had was on the IWC wesbite roadworks section, saying a final decision has not been made. However, I've just checked on http://www.iwight.com/living_here/getting_around/car_roadworks_detail.asp?rwId=10497 ... and... "Unfortunately this year a park and Ride Sail bus will not be in operation during Cowes Week." What a shame - SV's idea of adding 50p to the Northwood House car park charge was good. Now, everyone looses out. Also on the roadworks page, it says about Firework Night, with the extra services to/from Newport that SV run - which is when all the deckers come out in force. I doubt I'll get any photos of this though - the problem is, it's night (obviously), and so taking photos of moving buses doesn't work very well as the photos blur. Obviously you can't use the flash as it blinds the bus driver and is dangerous etc etc... The problem is, I'm not going down to Carvel Lane to get photos, as I'll probably be stabbed or something!

A couple of other things I've though of. I think we need route categories for the Wightbus services. I would say have "Wightbus route xxx" etc, however, that could make it confusing. A better idea I had was to have "Isle of Wight bus route xxx" categories inside a central "Bus routes on the Isle of Wight" category (like Category:Bus routes in Surrey and Category:Surrey bus routes 430 and 435). Then, we could say, put "Southern Vectis route 33" into "Isle of Wight bus route 33" (which is where all the Wightbus photos will be), and that will be in "Bus routes on the Isle of Wight". The only problem I can think of is route 16, although, as you can see at Category:Bus routes in Surrey, I did find a way around that with the place name brackets. Arriva436^{talk/contribs} 20:34, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

The latest: "We're running four extra deckers on route 1 during Cowes Week daytimes. These are nominally 706, 711, 402 and 721." Arriva436^{talk/contribs} 10:17, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

OK that all sounds good, especially as the number of Wightbus images are starting to increase quite heavily. I've already got some of Wilts & Dorset 402 and 711 on route 1, and took some more today as you've probably seen. I've also created Category:Go South Coast events fleet after your suggestion and added images to it. I think everything in there is right so far, although to be honest, I'm not entirely sure which buses are in the events fleet. Obviously everything at Ryde St John's Road station car park is, but Wilts & Dorset 404 was used at the Festival, is that included? 402 as you say is also in use at Cowes Week. Thanks, Editor5807^speak 20:06, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

I'd say that anything that has not been used on either normal services (i.e. the Wilts & Dorset Volvo B7TLs) or regular use in the coach fleet on school services (i.e. Wilts Oly 721), should not be put in the events fleet category. According to a fleetlist from a forum, the events fleet currently is made up of 706, 711, 3148, 3149, 3150, 3151, 3152, 3157, 4431, 4435 and 4923. (The last three and 3151 are currently in Eastleigh after use on an event there). 404 was in normal service, and just happened to be used on Festival work, so I wouldn't put that in. Also, 402 is going home to Wilts & Dorset after Cowes Week. Its new replacement engine is being run in lightly, hence it's still on the island. Arriva436^{talk/contribs} 20:17, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

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Garlic Festival

As you probably knew it was the Garlic Festival this weekend here on the island. I was working at this years event which limited the time for photos but I still managed some this afternoon. I got a number of Southern Vectis related images and wondered if the events theme should be continued for the Garlic Festival and Southern Vectis' involvement. I managed to get the shuttle bus operated by ex-Metrobus Olympians this year including some interior shots as well as crowded route 8s, the Downs Tour, temporary bus stops and stands and 614 and 310 which were inside the event. If I do create this category I was wondering what it should be called? Perhaps "Category:Southern Vectis and Isle of Wight Garlic Festival 2010"? But then should 'the' be used and it be named "Category:Southern Vectis and the Isle of Wight Garlic Festival 2010"? I had the same dilemma with the Isle of Wight Festival and eventually decided not to use 'the'. I thought since most images leave 'the' out it should be the same for categories, but just wanted to get your views before creating it. Editor5807^speak 19:42, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Without "the" would be better IMO. I had a similar dilemma when creating the Southern Vectis bus type cats, with whether to put an "s" on the end. "Southern Vectis DAF DB250" sounded better without it, but "Dennis Dart" could have done with being plural. I decided not to go for the "s", which I know regret, hence I've made the Wightbus categories with "s"s, if you've been wondering why they're different...! Arriva436^{talk/contribs} 19:59, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

OK that's great thanks. I'll just finish off my Ryde/Sandown photos and move on. Editor5807^speak 23:12, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Additionally, I'm assuming with the ex-Metrobus Olympians the fleet numbers will be the same as they were when with Metrobus? I could just about make out "834" on the back of R834 MFR, although the sticker had been peeled off. So if this is the case, images should be uploaded as "File:Southern Vectis 834 R834 MFR.JPG"? Thanks, Editor5807^speak 22:45, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Yes, they will keep their Metrobus fleet numbers as they fit in with the current GSC scheme very well. Arriva436^{talk/contribs} 05:46, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

4845

While on the bus today coming in the other direction I noticed R845 MFR having been repainted to a Moss Tours livery for double-deckers. I also noticed a new fleetnumber of 4845. I was wondering if there had been a change of plan reguarding the fleetnumbers and whether all will now have a 4 infront? If so I'll move my images before uploading any more. Thanks, Editor5807^speak 19:14, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Yes - as you've guessed, they've changed their mind and all with now have an extra 4. Very irritating! The Metrobus Olys aren't due to be properly painted yet, and their Metrobus blue livery is, well, blue, so the other buses will go first (starting with the London General/Central ones). There is an Optare Spectra on the loose from Marchwood Motorways, which is now done in Moss Motors livery now though. The Moss Motors livery has been changed to the Go South Coast coaching livery. File:Marchwood Motorways 056 HF08 UHV 2.JPG, File:Kingston Coaches 6020 MJI 7514.JPG & File:Damory Coaches 710 TIL 6710.JPG. (To clarify, the aforementioned Spectra was still in the old Marchwood Motorways livery, hence it needed a repaint). Arriva436^{talk/contribs} 20:15, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Moving categories

Hi. While looking through some images I came across Category:Buses in the United Kingdom photgraphed in 1981. This is obviously a typo; it should be Category:Buses in the United Kingdom photographed in 1981. Thing is, I can't see an option to move the category to the correct name. What should be done? Alzarian16 (talk) 18:45, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Hi. You can't manually move them, so admins have to get involved. You use the Template:Move template, as follows: {{move|Buses in the United Kingdom photographed in 1981|2=Typo in name|3=2010-08-17}}. Eventually (it takes ages), the move will get the go-ahead, the new cat gets created and an admin either deletes the old one or leaves it as a redirect (depending on whether a redirect would be useful). Bots move the images across from one category to another. Hope that helps. PS, I saw your photo of the On A Mission bus - I was at a yard in New Haw, Surrey today and popped in to have a look (there's often random buses there) - and there were various On A Mission Coaches parked there! Obviously they've been taken away now though... Arriva436^{talk/contribs} 19:13, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

OK, thanks for that. Re On A Mission, they seem to have got themselves into a bit of trouble. They closed down on August 2nd, and everything's being reposessed as fast as possible, which is presumably how some coaches ended up in Newe Haw. There's more information here. The general feeling seems to be that they were a decent coach operator dragged down by a disastrous attempt to run local bus services. My experience with them in July pretty much fits with that, which is a pity as that Olympian could have been quite nice in the right hands. Alzarian16 (talk) 19:48, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

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Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 15:58, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Stagecoach South Downs and Portsmouth

I've recently been uploading a few files from my collection I took a while ago around the Portsmouth area, however I have been a bit confused with the differences between Stagecoach South Downs and Stagecoach Portsmouth which hasn't helped with image names. From my understanding all routes operating around Portsmouth are under "Stagecoach Portsmouth", however when I Google the Hoverbus, it is listed many times as being a Stagecoach South service, which I'm guessing means the same as Stagecoach South Downs. For future uploads I was really just wondering if you could clarify when the two should be used, as personally I would have said the Hoverbus is a Portsmouth route. I suppose the Portsmouth routes could be named "Stagecoach South Downs..." as well and just put into the Stagecoach Portsmouth category when appropriate as the Wikipedia article only says routes in Portsmouth trade as "Stagecoach in Portsmouth" so presumably legally they are still known as Stagecoach South Downs. Anyway, I hope all that made sense, Thanks, Editor5807^speak 23:55, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

The "in wherever" fleet names are only trading names. In fact, the legal lettering carried on all Stagecoach South vehicles (Stagecoach in Hampshire, Stagecoach in Hants & Surrey, Stagecoach in the South Downs and Stagecoach in Portsmouth) is the same, just "Stagecoach South". All have head office as Chichester. There are three separate parts (with different head staff etc) - Hampshire, Hants & Surrey and South Downs. (It should be noted that while they are separate they are free to transfers everything between the three etc...). As you correctly say, Portsmouth is part of South Downs. I believe that it's only vehicles running out of Farlington depot in Portsmouth (i.e. the ones on the Portsmouth town services) that have the "Stagecoach in Portsmouth" strap line on them. If you look closely at your already uploaded pictures of the Hoverbus, you can see it does actually say "in Portsmouth" on it.

I'd go by the strapline on the bus - it's the safest bet (though I know the new Coastliner vehicles don't have straplines). You idea of naming them all Stagecoach South Downs could work too. Arriva436^{talk/contribs} 19:12, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

One Wight

As the timetables changed over on Sunday for Southern Vectis, unfortunately I've been very busy and didn't get the opportunity to photograph everything on the list of bus changes before the new timetable started. I'm sorry about that, but at least some of the main areas were covered and now the new routes have started I'll make a point of getting some decent photos of them.

Anyway onto the main point, which will hopefully go someway to make up for that! I was lucky enough to be involved in taking the One Wight petition to Downing Street and travelled up to London on 614. I've got shots of 614 in various places in London as well as some other One Wight related photos. I was wondering, should these photos of the bus be added to Category:Buses in London? Also, while travelling around on the outside deck of the bus I got some photos around London done, for example the Palace of Westminster. With some of them you can clearly see the bus in the shot so I was wondering if they should be uploaded with names something like "File:Palace of Westminster from Southern Vectis 614 N14 WAL.JPG"? I know we've adopted a similar naming policy for routes, but the bus wasn't on a route at the time, and while the interior is shown partially, it's probably not showing enough to warrent naming the image "File:Southern Vectis 614 N14 WAL interior and Palace of Westminster.JPG". Anyway, that's just one proposal and I'm sure others would work as well. What do you think? Editor5807^speak 22:18, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

We got most of the changes. I sort of got route 2 in Rookley with this: File:Southern Vectis 1151 HW09 BCV and Rookley Main Road.JPG. A bit rubbish, but hey-ho. Slightly irritating that a few seconds earlier and it would have actually been in Rookley but there you go... The only major things we missed therefore were Oakfield on the 8 (which has gone from having all the routes into Ryde from Tesco before the new network in 2006 to having no buses at all!!), Calbourne & Newbridge and perhaps Shorwell. All the rest is covered by bus stops at least (e.g. Haylands & Havenstreet).

Fantastic news about 614. I'd put them in Buses in London cat yes. I'd name it "File:Palace of Westminster from Southern Vectis 614 N14 WAL.JPG" if there's enough bus to warrant it. I'm sure using a "One Wight Campaign petition presentation trip" category or something could be put in an SV cat to group all the images. Perhaps you could then avoid having "...Southern Vectis 614" on images that are primarily of London. Just use a better name than what I just wrote! Did you get any photos of buses in London...?!!

As you may have noticed, I havn't been uploading for a while. This is partly because I'm not in the mood for it, and also partly because I've been busy. Busy with some important stuff, but I've also gone round most of North Surrey (Staines, Chertsey, Walton, Shepperton, Addlestone, Byfleet, Weybridge, Esher, Kingston, Ripley and Woking and many other places in between) taking photos of buses before the Surrey CC Bus Review Phase 1 changes came into place (on 28 August). I have also tried to get some shots of the new routes. Surrey CC are reviewing all their tendered services and Phase 1 affected North Surrey and a part of East Surrey. Lots has changed, it's like a massive version of the SV changes! You may have noticed my recent contribs of setting up all the Bus routes in Surrey cats. I plan to finish uploading my pics from the island, and then go onto the Surrey stuff. Therefore hopefully, I will be uploading the SV pics soon. Arriva436^{talk/contribs} 12:16, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

OK then thanks for that. While up in London we were very busy with the petition and unfortunately there was very little time for photos, I just concentrated mainly on One Wight related stuff so didn't manage any photos of buses in London. Still, hopefully I'll get some decent ones tomorrow and over the weekend on the Island for Bestival! The Surrey ones sound interesting as well. Editor5807^speak 23:36, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Cool. I was over the other day very briefly - doing something actually important, however while killing time waiting for the ferry I went down to The Folly Inn and got some good 25 photos. Arriva436^{talk/contribs} 17:40, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Southern Vectis 310

As you've probably noticed I've been uploading my photos of the October 2010 bus museum running day and have just got to "TJI 8780". In the photo I noticed it was in National Holidays livery, but also has "Southern Vectis" underneath the drivers window. The fleet number appears to be 310. As far as I'm aware it once operated services with Southern Vectis, but I know little else about the vehicle. I was wondering if it should be uploaded as "File:Southern Vectis 310 TJI 8780.JPG" or as "File:National Holidays 310 TJI 8780.JPG"? Thanks, Editor5807^speak 20:59, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

I have been watching your uploads, very nice photos, I was pleased you made it to the running day. Apparently it was a really good one this year. I've no idea about the bus to be honest. Could the bus have been operated by SV but on National Holidays duties, like when everything was together under the National Bus Company or something? Not entirely sure, but I think it might have been. I would name it "Southern Vectis..." anyhow. At least with the registration numbers in the file name we won't have a repeat of preserved 301 and current 301!! Arriva436^{talk/contribs} 22:10, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

OK that's great thanks and I've now uploaded it. Admitedly it is the first one I've been to but it was a fantastic day with a great atmosphere. Luckily I've finally finished uploading my photos from the day now. I got some photos of the rail replacement buses in Ryde at the weekend for the track work that was taking place between Ryde Esplanade and Ryde St John's Road railway stations that I'll probably move onto now. Editor5807^speak 21:16, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Location catting

Regarding this and this, per the text at Category:Buses in the United Kingdom by location, I wasn't intending to put location cats on these sorts of images, where the bus isn't really associated with the location. What's your thoughts? Ultra7 (talk) 19:51, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

I did notice you removed the Guildford coach from another Shearings image but I ignored that, for the reasons below. To be honest I'm unsure, as the amount of this type of image compared to standard buses will make it less of an issue. For example, with Guildford, it would be one coach image with hundreds of bus images. I'm inclined to put the image in the cat I think, as if the idea is to show the scene if you were stood in that place - I was stood in that place, and it was there!

There's further issues with what to do if it's a local operator's coach. For example, if Countryliner parked a coach up at Guildford bus station, in between two of their buses in service, should that be put in the category?

For the Isle of Wight ones, I put the files back in because visiting holiday coaches are a part of the everyday scene on the island, with coach loads of elderly people being driven round and round (and then they all get off and use their free bus passes to crowd out the buses anyway...). It depends on the situation as to the suitability of each photo I guess. I don't see any harm in putting the coach or similar images in that cat though, because as I said above, it will only make up a small proportion of total images.

And thinking about it, where most coach photos such as the IOW ones are taken, will be in holiday destinations, where these coaches are an everyday sight, so it's less of an issue - and vice versa, in Guildford or Slough there will be hardly any photos of such vehicles so it doesn't really matter if one or two are in the category. So overall I don't see why the images should be purposely excluded. Arriva436^{talk/contribs} 20:12, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Operator cats are now localised, so I think that takes care of the layover situation. But I still really can't see the point in tying every random visitor to a specific location. Maybe there is scope for a 'tourist coaches visiting xyz' branch, and maybe make that very regional, (then with scope for having specific resorts too), but seriously, to localise all random visitors in the main local branch, can you honestly say that just because they happened to be there at that specific time, that they should be associated with that location forever? Theoretically, on that basis, given enough time and photographers, we could presumably end up with images of WA buses in every local cat (not that this will happen). I've no issue with you adding them, but I just can't see myself wanting to add a category which I see no value to as I go about sorting these, and I'd rather not have a non-uniform understanding between us, and others, for what the cat is for (at the very least, the description wording would have to be changed)Ultra7 (talk) 21:01, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

It's a tough call. While for one time visitors it may not be so good to have it associated with that location for ever, it can happen with buses too. For example, Arriva Guildford had a Dart arrive for about a week, and while it did see service for a couple of days, it moved on to another depot soon. Should this not be included for the same reason? And going off visiting coaches, but on the same theme, say a random parked bus. It turns up in some town centre, sits there for six months, and then moves on. I think if we are trying to capture the scene of something then the little things to provide some value, as otherwise you might give the wrong impression, would you not put a image of a fireworks shop that only lasted a weekend in November in a town category?

Even if one offs in towns are left out of the categories, I do think a few in seaside locations and other tourist places should be OK. On the subject of cats that need to be discussed, Category:London Buses of unknown route - I don't really see the point in this one. You can either see the route number on the bus or you can't, and if you can't you'd never be able to work it out...? (Unless I suppose you happen to know that only that type of bus ran on that road in that specific location - but if it's that obscure there's no value in having it in the cat anyway). Arriva436^{talk/contribs} 22:07, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm still not convinced, but I don't think I will convince you either, so how about this - going forward, I won't add it where I don't think it is needed, but I won't remove it wherever I see it used? We can just change the instruction text to say always do it (presumably the part about not needing it for museums/rallies is still ok?). Maybe at some point down the line I will just start to do it automatically for all images, but right now, it jars with my brain to do it as it doesn't fit in with logic of the 'mental checklist' I go through, if that makes sense. Ultra7 (talk) 23:33, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

As for the London route cat, I did create it for those images where you can figure it out with some detective work but not right there and then, as you did with one in Baker St. no? It may even be that the original uploader comes along, sees the unknown tag, and clarifies it, if it's something nobody can figure out themselves given the clues. That's pretty much the same principle for all the unknown categories. Even if it doesn't look like it would need to be catted, you never know when one of the images might be needed to fill in the blanks - it may be for example be the only image of that route which shows a specific detail, such as the rear route branding. Ultra7 (talk) 23:33, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Anyway, I recently discovered the CatScan2 tool, so I'm not obsessing as much anymore about making sure every image is in every branch, as that tool allows you to run specific 'absence' checks - list all images in one cat branch, but not another. It's not very usefull for finding sompletely uncatted images, but it will help catch any that only make it into one branch. Ultra7 (talk) 23:33, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

I think that's the best compromise. It's only a small problem as I say, as the one offs will be heavily outnumbered by service buses in any case. Museums and rallies not having it is good, as you can just make if a sub cat if needs be. It all makes sense, I know what you mean by checklist as I have one for the cats as well, it's a different order to the way you do the cats so I'm all over the place when trying to check something that I've not done! CatScan looks good.

Some of the unknown categories are better than others - eg someone may know the type of chassis if it's a shot of the whole bus. I did indeed do the Baker Street one, but it did take some checking, as I really don't know where the routes go, and even then I had to ignore the fact it was a London Central Citaro instead of a London General one, because I knew they'd been swapping them about. I'm just not sure that in the Baker Street image has anything to offer in comparison to other images of the 453. In the case of some images there's just no way of telling. I accept it might be useful for route branding etc, but in London everything's red with no exceptions. However, there are only four images in the category at the moment, so it's hardly a large sample size, and I suppose it will become more useful in the long run.

Talking of London, have you got any plans for the huge number of London bus images that have just been dumped, only categorised via the route category? Aside from going through every category in Category:Bus routes in London, I can't really see another way of sorting them out.

I have to say good work with the categories, it needed to be done, and with a category for each county it allows for much more future expansion. You've had to do a lot of repetitive mundane tasks as well by the look of it. I'm trying to help out where I can, by populating some of the new categories, and adding my images into the new categories such as the Oxford and Kingston ones.

And on a final note, do you still have a camera? I'm just thinking of GNE Citaros HF06 FUA and FUB, as having got photos of them at both of the previous owners, it would be good to get them at GNE!! Probably put that as lowest priority on the list of things do to! Arriva436^{talk/contribs} 15:48, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Cool, we'll leave it at that, and I'll change the cat text. As it happens, hunting down those london routes were next on my list - I've already started them today. There appears to be at least a 1,000! Catscan2 makes it easier, you don't need to look in each cat, but yes, still a lot of manual labour after you generate the report. I'm working on different ways to make it easier right now, but I can see this being another job that takes days, rather than hours. As for the citaros, I don't tend to photograph in winter, there's not enough real daylight, and my camera is really crap at low light shots. If they are still here later in the year I'll hunt them down. There's been a few new routes created and allocations changed by GNE recently, so there's more to get. I don't know if it's my imagination though, but over the last year they seem to be running more 'blanks' - i.e. basic coloured buses but with no branding, rather than finished buses. Seems to defeat the point to me. I also read recently that they may have a new 'standard' livery too, something about 'Northern', so that's something else. As for manual labour - I depopulated all the 'photographed in location in year' cats on the unecessary rejoining branches principle, except the Isle of Wight one, as there are tons in it!. Are you set on keeping that, or can that be depopulated aswell? (I am assuming lots of it have specific categories like bustival? - these can be subcats of 2010). Ultra7 (talk) 17:55, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

OK, that's good. If any problems develop where in some cat there's more one-offs than normal service buses then we'll have to review it, but it shouldn't happen for a while anyway. I've noticed you've started on the London ones, typical I mentioned it just before you were about to start! It will definitely take days, and sorting all the images in Unsorted UK bus images is going to take a long time.

Yeah, my camera can't do anything moving at more than about 2mph at this time of year. From what I've seen, GNE have indeed created even more brands, and killed off some others. If the liveries were nice, it wouldn't be so bad, but they are a tad garish! Yes, I've heard about a new livery too, all over red with "Northern" fleet names apparently, seems a bit pointless. The Citaros are on the Cobalt Clipper, wherever that goes, but I think it does go into Newcastle City Centre. Anyway, that's my knowledge on GNE exhausted. I think the Citaros are due to stay, they only left Southern Vectis for GNE in November.

I've emptied the "photographed in 2010" UK cat today actually, so 2010 at least is all in the subcats. Only 2,652 images in 2009 to go! I was wondering whether a bot might be able to sort it out, like from reading both the metadata and the data in the description and then moving it. Not that I know who to go to to ask.

As for the Isle of Wight 2010 category, I'm not sure. After all, it does have more images in it than all the other subcategories put together, so I don't think it would be too much of a problem having one exception and just leaving it, though it does mean all the images in it would not be in the month sub cats (maybe another job for a bot?). The IOW cat doesn't actually have any subcategories, but it should do, as there are a number of images from the rallies, and the IOW Festival, that are in the rally or event cats and also the photographed by year one. The trouble is there's so many IOW images it's all got a bit confusing, I'll go over it in a minute. Maybe the IOW photo in 2010 cat should be left till last?! Arriva436^{talk/contribs} 18:50, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Right, some things I've done with the IOW category, which should simplify some things. Do they sound good?

~~Category:Newport (Isle of Wight) bus station~~ Done out of Category:Buses in Newport, Isle of Wight. All image in former cat that show buses put in the latter category.
Same with ~~Category:Ryde bus station and Buses in Ryde~~ Done.
Same with ~~Category:Yarmouth (Isle of Wight) bus station~~ Done and Buses in Yarmouth, Isle of Wight.
~~Category:Isle of Wight Bus Museum running day May 2010~~ Done is now in Category:Buses on the Isle of Wight photographed in 2010, and Category:Buses in the United Kingdom photographed in May 2010. All files in the cat have been taken out of Category:Buses on the Isle of Wight photographed in 2010.
~~Category:Isle of Wight Bus Museum running day October 2010~~ Done is now in Category:Buses on the Isle of Wight photographed in 2010, and Category:Buses in the United Kingdom photographed in October 2010. All of the files in the cat are still in Category:Buses on the Isle of Wight photographed in 2010 at the moment, and need to be taken out.
~~Category:Southern Vectis Bustival 2009~~ Done is now in Category:Buses in the United Kingdom photographed in May 2009. Again, all the files are still in the Buses in the United Kingdom photographed in 2009 category at the moment, and need to be taken out.
~~Category:Southern Vectis Bustival 2010~~ Done is now in Category:Buses in the United Kingdom photographed in April 2010, and Buses on the Isle of Wight photographed in 2010. Again, all the files are still in the Buses on the Isle of Wight photographed in 2010 category at the moment, and need to be taken out.
~~Category:Southern Vectis and Bestival 2010~~ Done is now in Buses on the Isle of Wight photographed in 2010 and Buses in the United Kingdom photographed in September 2010, again all images are still in the IOW photo in 2010 cat.
~~Category:Isle of Wight Bus Museum running day October 2008~~ Done out of Category:Buses in the United Kingdom photographed in 2008, into Category:Buses in the United Kingdom photographed in October 2008
~~Category:Southern Vectis and Cowes Week 2008~~ Done is now in the Buses in UK photographed in August 2008 cat and all images sorted.
~~Category:Southern Vectis and Cowes Week 2009~~ Done is now in the Buses in UK photographed in August 2009 cat. All images not sorted.
~~Category:Southern Vectis and Cowes Week 2010~~ Done is now in the Buses in UK photographed in August 2010 cat, and of course Buses on the Isle of Wight photographed in 2010. All images not sorted, though the first day was 31st July so some images will have to be in that cat.
Same sort of thing with ~~Category:Southern Vectis and Isle of Wight Festival 2010~~, ~~Southern Vectis and Isle of Wight Garlic Festival 2010~~ Done and ~~Category:Southern Vectis and Yarmouth Old Gaffers Festival 2010~~ Done.

I hope that makes sense, and we can decide what to do with the photographed on IOW in 2010 cat. Arriva436^{talk/contribs} 19:42, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

This sounds about right, on the principle of not duplicating place/date catting. I think it makes sense to use the month cats too. As for bots, I've no idea. I notice Adambro did use a bot for those geograph expansions, so maybe he can help? I'm pretty sure by 'unsorted' above you just meant dates, but if not, just put the event cat in the unsorted cat, I've done that for a tram museum one I found. On a rough estimate I think I managed to find about half the london images today, so that's not so bad, but yes, the unsorted pile has just skyrocketed to 777!. P.S., in these catscan searches, I've excluded your personal unsorted cat, incase you wondered why they weren't getting tagged. Ultra7 (talk) 20:19, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

That's good then. 777, wow, at least it's not over 1000 yet! Yes, I'm currently in a sorting out-kind-of-thing at the moment, and am slowly going through my unsorted cat. Most need to have the description improved, and Geocoding added, as well of of course the cats. That's the downside of Commonist, if you close it you loose everything! So I just had to upload (and I find once I've uploaded it's really boring going back and sorting it out). Arriva436^{talk/contribs} 20:40, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

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Contents

Thanks for helping me

Greyhound on the Isle of Wight

Strange problem with new pic

VDL SB120

Binstead and Haylands shuttle views

Query

Older buses?

Bus sorting

Summary SV route images

SV interior cove panels

Running day May 2010

Adgestone Houses

File mover

Categories by place or year of construction - discussion

Festival plan

Progress

Vehicle re-registrations

that funny bus shelter shot

Southern Vectis or Bluestar and SV categories

Southdown PSV

Southern Vectis or Wightbus

Cowes Week 2010

Tip: Categorizing images

Garlic Festival

4845

Moving categories

File:CitaroV_RTM.jpg

Stagecoach South Downs and Portsmouth

One Wight

Southern Vectis 310

Location catting

Navigation menu

User talk:Arriva436/Archive 2

Thanks for helping me

Greyhound on the Isle of Wight

Strange problem with new pic

VDL SB120

Binstead and Haylands shuttle views

Query

Older buses?

Bus sorting

Summary SV route images

SV interior cove panels

Running day May 2010

Adgestone Houses

File mover

Categories by place or year of construction - discussion

Festival plan

Progress

Vehicle re-registrations

that funny bus shelter shot

Southern Vectis or Bluestar and SV categories

Southdown PSV

Southern Vectis or Wightbus

Cowes Week 2010

Tip: Categorizing images

Garlic Festival

4845

Moving categories

File:CitaroV_RTM.jpg

Stagecoach South Downs and Portsmouth

One Wight

Southern Vectis 310

Location catting

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