User talk:Amitie 10g/Archive/5

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File:Bandera provincia de almeria - 2.png

FYI, global replace did not 'work' on those usages because they were pages where the image was transcluded by a templates (where the file was itself replaced). The image was not 'still' being used, the servers just had not updated the transclusion table. INC still should have left a redirect, however. Reventtalk 23:12, 10 November 2016 (UTC)

Bad faith accusations, redux

You have been warned and blocked (specifically, your first) regarding accusations of bad faith before. I suggest you avoid calling deletions "improper" if you disagree with the deleting admin's reading of the law, since it implies a breach of process. I can put that down to the nuances of English, just don't do it again... however, considering you have been warned and blocked about this type of behavior before (see your talk archives 3 and 4), comments like "making disruptive deletions" are skirting very dangerously close to another block. Storkk (talk) 09:18, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

I have examined the diff, and find it hard to read as worth a warning. Deletion requests that have failed to take into account the correct copyright status of the media, or have interpreted copyright policies incorrectly are literally disruptive as they threaten the curation value of this project. It may be that after a recent block Amitie needs to tread carefully to avoid their words being read as bad faith, however at the same time let's cut some slack unless there is a pattern of creating a hostile environment to be concerned about. I find Amitie's practical work in reviewing recent deletions to be of worthwhile value, it should be encouraged.
Amitie I suggest you avoid any subjective language when asking for undeletions, almost any subjective wording can be used to make allegations of being passive aggressive, bad faith, etc. Just let the facts speak for themselves and nobody can misinterpret your actions. Thanks --Fæ (talk) 10:31, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
@Fæ: On its own, I would be inclined to agree, however Amitie has shown a consistent failure to drop the "us vs them" attitude and anti-collegial battleground mentality. My own previous warning is at User_talk:Amitie_10g/Archive/4#Battleground_mentality, and his first block was on similar grounds (calling legitimate DRs "vandalism")... so no, I do not believe continued throwaway accusations of bad faith should simply be overlooked. Storkk (talk) 10:43, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
Yes I understand the background. I'm just making a fine point that advice would have been sufficient. On many Wikimedia projects, once an account has been blocked for uncivil behaviour, it tends to become a self-fulfilling prophecy of further blocks. There are many reasons why a contributor may find it hard to comply with expectations of civility, especially when there are no hard rules, and even trusted users repeatedly get away with making unprovable bad faith allegations and using sarcastic or offensive language. I would rather see at least as much effort providing guidance and support for these cases as is spent handing out warnings or blocks, which by themselves are punishment, not truly designed to support or educate. I appreciate you have given a warning here with a custom explanation, which is good practice for administrators. --Fæ (talk) 10:56, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
I have spent "at least as much effort" in trying to provide guidance, in fact much much more, and you will notice I have not even mentioned the possibility of a block before. Actually, I believe the problem has not been a lack of effort in trying to cajole and handhold Amitie to collaborate collegially, it has rather been a lack of clarity. As such, I will be perfectly clear: I will consider any accusation of bad faith against anybody other than myself for any reason other than pure vandalism evidence of failure to drop the attitude. Block length will of course escalate from the length of his first block, not the last. Storkk (talk) 11:13, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
On re-reading that sounds more threatening than it was meant to. The initial warning stands, however. Storkk (talk) 11:16, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
Thanks, let's not escalate anything when it can be avoided. --Fæ (talk) 11:44, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
For the mass undeletion, this is why I talked at the IRC before making it. I tried and I'll try to be as most objective as possible, but I can't avoided to make these kind of accusations. As I mentioned, should be better to discuss in the IRC when I have time. --Amitie 10g (talk) 12:50, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
Because there are no public logs, I do not use IRC for Commons decision making and consider "this was discussed on IRC" to be exactly equivalent to "this was not discussed". Who discussed it? What were the arguments? Where can I examine it? In any case, how does discussing something on IRC make accusations of bad faith OK? Just stop doing it. You could easily describe files you wish discussed without calling others' edits you disagree with disruptive. Storkk (talk) 15:34, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
Well, you're right, specially since these kind of discussions should reemain public. --Amitie 10g (talk) 15:41, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

File:General method for synthesis of (n,3,3)propellanes.svg

Hello,

Thank you very much for creating this svg picture. However, there is still a small mistake. Indeed, an oxygen atom is missing from the fourth molecule represented, the diketone intermediate. Could you, please, add it, copying the one next. Thank you in advance, Good day! --Titou (talk) 05:18, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

Re: Aleson.svg

Please see this photo at the far right. Its my own shot by the way, feel free to examine it.

This is as for the reference of the Aleson Shipping Lines' logo. This is the logo also in use to all of their ships and corporate branding as of the moment. The logo you see in the Aleson's website was outdated since 2012 as you refer it from @ http://aleson-shipping.com/index.html. And the photo which I uploaded as the Aleson's logo is the current and updated, with curation from an image manipulator which I did from the current svg file.

Thanks! Bumbl_loid (talk) 15:56, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Special Barnstar
Thanks ever so much for your help with the files (reuploading the corrupt ones and reviewing all of the licenses),

Your help is extremely appreciated so thank you so much :),
I had hoped the mass upload would go without fail but nope something had to go wrong lol,
Anyway thanks again for your help :),
Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 15:44, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

Hi,

Did you even look at the link, it's just a video of a skyline going from dark to light. The video is no longer a stream, it's a video. Please revert your edits. MCMLXXXIX 19:51, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

See Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Baracudas44. MCMLXXXIX 20:26, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

RADAR 1982 jpg pic

Public domain in Italy since 20+ years old. In my opinion it could be also Public Domain in USA (pre-1989, promotional card lacking any copyright info) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Djbatman (talk • contribs) 14:10, 02 December 2016 (UTC)

File:Rear Admiral KS Venugopal, Principal, INA and Commodore M Goverdhan Raju, NM, Principal Director (Training) interacting with the proud parents during passing out ceremony of Short Service Commission (Pilot) Cadets at INA.jpg

Hi, You passed the review, but there isn't any license. Also File:Navy conducts Health Training Cum Medicare Drive at Lakshadweep (1).jpg. Thanks, Yann (talk) 11:31, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

DR {{PD-textlogo}}

You may be interested in this (second nomination). I have a doubt if this is keepable per {{PD-textlogo}}. --XXN, 10:46, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

File:Legolas Greenleaf.png

Hola, Amitie 10g.

Muchas gracias por tu ayuda acerca de esa imagen ! :-)

Te saludo cordialmente.

PS : Acabo de mandar un mensaje a OTRS acerca de de esa otra imagen. A lo mejor puedes revisar el mensaje y decirme si hay un problema con ese dibujo, obra derivada de una foto ?

--Guise (talk) 21:58, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

Error de PassLicense

Hola Amitie, echa un vistazo a esto. Parece que tu herramienta no trabaja muy bien con varios cierres de plantilla (}}) y ha dejado inconsistente la plantilla. ¿Es un error de la herramienta o mío al poner las plantillas de revisión? Un saludo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Discasto (talk • contribs)

Gracias. Creo que las dos cosas ayudarán mucho. Gracias de nuevo por tu tiempo. --Discasto talk 17:12, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

File:UNAM Pumas.png

File:UNAM Pumas.png has been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether it should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry.

If you created this file, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it, such as a copyright issue. Please see Commons:But it's my own work! for a guide on how to address these issues.

Please remember to respond to and – if appropriate – contradict the arguments supporting deletion. Arguments which focus on the nominator will not affect the result of the nomination. Thank you!
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Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 20:35, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

File:IASS logo.jpg

Hi Amitie, why did you changed the speedydelete of the File:IASS logo.jpg? It is an non-free logo and protected by copyright, the IASS is a german institute and owner of this logo. It is not intended for commons. --Sabine Iass (talk) 00:14, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Re: File:IASS logo.jpg

Hi Amitie, sorry for redoing the speedy tag, but I don't think that the TOO fits here. The logo is not an CC work. Yes it is maybe not protected as an piece of art but it is protected by the german law as an logo. As well, the official policy on Wikimedia Commons says "Wikimedia Commons does not accept fair use media files (such as non-free logos, covers, screenshots, or reproductions of other copyrighted works)..." (Commons:Fair use) and the Commons:Criteria for speedy deletion says "1. Apparent copyright violation" and "2. Fair use content" are criterions for the speedydelete. --Sabine Iass (talk) 00:53, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

And the biggest point is, that the IASS as owner of this logo is not agree with a publication at commons, the agreement was only by a use at the normal wikipedia as an image in the infobox. I will just avoid some legal actions... --Sabine Iass (talk) 01:21, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Category "Files from Pixabay"

Hello Amitie, I accidentally noticed, that you’ve created the cat Files from Pixabay. Instead of sorting this into Images from websites (which is wrong BTW, because there exist also videos) you should fit this into cat Pixabay and reordering the subcats (or let this recently created cat delete again). Also, when you intent to add some help for unreviewed files: There is information regarding template {{LicenseReview}} in template {{Pixabay}} and cats for images and videos, this had to be adapted. Perhaps tere are more refinings possible, as well. — Speravir – 17:07, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

License reviews

Re:

When reviewing uploaded images that are claimed to be PD-Art, particularly from Flickr, you need to attempt to determine the source nation and the artist's date of death, and verify the copyright status in the source country. Stanhope Forbes was a UK citizen, who worked in France and the UK. Both nations have a 70-year-pma copyright term, and he died in 1947. His works are not PD in either possible 'source country' until 2018. Reventtalk 08:09, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

'disruptive'

Hi, here you call my work 'disruptive' again. You have been warned many times, e.g. at the top of this page by Storkk, to refrain from such behaviour. Don't be surprised if you find yourself blocked again one day. Jcb (talk) 22:51, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

Merry Christmas, Amitie 10g/Archive!
Hi Amitie 10g/Archive, thank you for all your valuable contributions on Commons. This help fulfill the number 1 goal of Commons: To be a free, educational media repository for everyone.

I wish you and your family a merry Christmas and a happy new year.
   ★ Poké95 01:10, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Best Wishes!

Best Wishes, Amitie 10g/Archive!
Hi Amitie 10g/Archive, I wish you all the best for the Holidays and a Happy New Year 2017. Yann (talk) 19:33, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

User_talk:Jcb#Deletion_of_files_from_mil.ru

Hi, this is Scott (you know, the guy who is globally banned from these projects for still yet unknown reasons).

In relation to User_talk:Jcb#Deletion_of_files_from_mil.ru it is astounding that Jcb is deleting imagery from Commons, which is used externally by many people (often by hotlinking or using Instant Commons) on totally bunk reasoning. Not goooooooood!

Vadim Savitsky, who is the photographer in question, is the official Russian Ministry of Defence photographer. There are dozens of photos from Vadim on Commons from mil.ru (and associated Cyrillic domains, which are also covered under CC-BY 4.0) as this shows. Most official portraits of Russian Ministry of Defence officials are also taken by Vadim. As File:Official portrait of Sergey Shoigu with awards.jpg and File:Official portrait of Sergey Shoigu.jpg shows -- he's the Russian Minister of Defence.

From other sources such as this you will see Vadim's work is for the Russian Ministry of Defence Press Service.

And as you noted, http://xn--80ahclcogc6ci4h.xn--90anlfbebar6i.xn--p1ai is http://мультимедиа.минобороны.рф which is the Cyrillic web address for mil.ru (and which has the same CC-BY 4.0 notice at the bottom).

The 3 photos in question were in wide use at the time of deletion, so Jcb needs to undelete those photos post haste, and fix the usage of those files which his deletion has screwed up.

But it is likely Jcb will see my name here and will refuse to act, because I can't be trusted blah blah blah blah blah blah. So perhaps ask another admin to fix the damage that Jcb has done with these deletions. For that purpose, I'll ping Sealle, Ymblanter, Nick, Revent, Odder, A.Savin, Taivo, Rama, Putnik, Hedwig in Washington to start with. 94.177.172.141 07:28, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

After I was treated like shit last week, and the community decided I deserved to be treated like shit, my next edit in the Commons namespace will likely be here. Sorry that I can not help this time.--Ymblanter (talk) 08:31, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
Sorry to hear that Ymblanter. You've always been a cool enough kinda guy, very chilled even.
As to Jcb, he is refusing to undelete the images which he has deleted, because "I am not acting on a request by Russavia. It's well established what his position is regarding Wikimedia/Wikipedia projects. Jcb (talk) 09:37, 30 December 2016 (UTC)" I'd like to know what my position is regarding Wikimedia/Wikipedia projects? And how does that unknown position prevent him from fixing his fuck up. Hedwig in Washington has undeleted File:Sukhoi Su-33 launching from the Admiral Kuznetsov.jpg (thanks Hedwig). But Jcb continues to ignore requests to undelete from Putnik and Josve05a; even in the face of being WRONG!
On a side note, the still deleted images have been tweeted out by @Commonsaviation on Twitter here and here. As one of the operators of this Twitter account I would be more than happy to notify our followers (of which we have more than the Wikimedia Commons @wikicommons account) that a Commons admin is deleting content without reason. It didn't look good the last time we had to resort to this. And I'm sure it won't look good again. 131.221.41.130 11:20, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
It appears that all three files have already been restored, however I do agree with @Ymblanter that we ought to perhaps entertain the idea of having a de-adminship request against @Jcb. It's not the first time that he's gone ahead and deleted files in absolute violation of our rules and guidelines; he's managed to have gotten away with it so far but I think this is one drop too many. odder (talk) 11:37, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
Is true that the fact that Russavia is still editing WMF websites violates the WMF toss. But, the real shamefulness here is how Jcb uses the Russavia's comments as excuse to don't take any responsibilities for his administrative actions (solely him, not enyone else, nor Russavia). The files has been already restored not by him, and proof for authorship has been provided. So, could an uninvolved admin Review the files and Pass the review? Thanks. --Amitie 10g (talk) 11:59, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
Amitie 10g, I note that Jcb says that he is over discussing anything. He also states that he isn't reading anything I am writing, but he is going out of his way to block the IP's I am using. So make of that what you will.
There is, however, one issue that Jcb needs to fix. The files he deleted were in use on multiple projects. His deletions borked that usage. The usage can be seen at:
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:wn25BDj9ZMQJ:https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Air-to-air_with_Russian_Air_Force_Sukhoi_Su-34.jpg+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=au
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:UwyYgaL3uTYJ:https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sukhoi_Su-33_launching_from_the_Admiral_Kuznetsov.jpg+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=au
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:r8V1Oo2PJXcJ:https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Air-to-air_with_a_Tupolev_Tu-160.jpg+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=au
At the very least, Jcb should be fixing what he broke there. Perhaps you might like to ask Odder to have a polite word to Jcb, given that he has reverted your comments on his talk. 125.31.19.25 12:18, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
I want to state that I fully agree with Amitie's and odder's comment here. Moreover, there is the recent slanderous comment by Jcb against me in INC causa [1] and many more issues in the past, including those with careless deletions. Of course, Jcb never apologized for such comments. Given all that, full support from my part for a desysop request. Thanks --A.Savin 12:46, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
I know it is New Year's Eve, but Jcb has gone too far. Given that he still shows behaviour unbecoming of an admin despite his third de-adminship request, I fully  Support a de-adminship request against him. Maybe I will be opening a de-adminship request on 1 January or later. Sorry 2017. ★ Poké95 02:03, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Russavia

Hi, Russavia has cost sufficient energy to the community. I am not prepared to spend any more minute on this case. Don't botter me at my user talk page about it! Jcb (talk) 12:14, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

Please check

this: File:Sukhoi Su-33 launching from the Admiral Kuznetsov.jpg OK now? Not temporarily restored, I just ran out of steam yesterday. I licenses reviewed the other two files as well, that should be enough to keep them alive on Commons I think.

Another question: Do you happen to know if mil.ru always used the same URL-structure? Maybe we could replace the cyrillic version / conversion http://xn--80ahclcogc6ci4h.xn--90anlfbebar6i.xn--p1ai/ with http://mil.ru/ to avoid confusion in the future? A bot could easily do that. Maybe we could hijack the abuse-filter to do this automatically with new uploads. I'll have a talk with Steinsplitter if my hunch about the URL is correct. --Hedwig in Washington (mail?) 01:15, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Amitie 10g!

Happy New Year!

Amitie 10g, a new year is like a blank book, the pen is in your hands. It is your chance to write a beautiful story for yourself! Happy New Year 2017. Hedwig in Washington (mail?) 18:10, 31 December 2016 (UTC)


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