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Martin H. (talk) 22:21, 11 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Jarekt (talk) 12:51, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Woodcutterty (talk) 16:36, 14 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Beatrix[edit]

De foto van Beatrix (deze) is middels onjuiste bronvermelding en licentie toegevoegd. De correcte bron is deze. De RVD meld hier de voorwaarden voor gebruik en verspreiding zeer explicitiet en geeft daarbij geen licentie. De foto zal dus moeten worden verwijderd. Helaas is de pagina om één of andere reden beveiligd (wat ik erg dubieus vindt overigens) dus kan ik geen deletion request toevoegen op de pagina. Ik hoop daarom op jouw redelijkheid inzake.

Met vriendelijke groet, EvilFreD overleg 05:51, 31 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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EvilFreD overleg 18:56, 31 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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EvilFreD overleg 05:33, 12 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Multichill (talk) 21:03, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hoi ATX-NL, met rijksoverheid.nl moet je echt oppassen. Ze pikken overal van het internet foto's vandaan en die zetten ze daar dan weer op. Echt een instinker. Multichill (talk) 21:11, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Natuur12 (talk) 11:27, 29 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hello ATX-NL, a month ago you replaced File:Beerenbrouck.jpg with an obviously different picture without changing the source information so the source information was no longer matching the shown picture. It is not clear where your picture came from. Therefor I reverted your action. If you can give a source and can prove it is a free picture, you can upload it under a new name. You also claimed a better resolution but the Pixel resolution was even a little bit lower than the original so that claim was incorrect. - Robotje (talk) 13:32, 2 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Rijksoverheid vs. Mindef[edit]

Hallo ATX, ik zag dat je File:Tom Middendorp 2015 (1).jpg hebt geupload met het Rijksoverheid-sjabloon. Ik heb dit veranderd in {mindef}, omdat de foto daar niet alleen vandaan komt, maar de copyrightpagina op Rijksoverheid.nl duidelijk foto's uitsluit. Zou je bij volgende uploads van defensie.nl hetzelfde kunnen doen? Groet, Adnergje (talk) 17:52, 4 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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MB298 (talk) 04:20, 16 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Jan Arkesteijn (talk) 21:29, 25 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Foto's bewindslieden Rutte III[edit]

Beste ATX-NL,

Je bent er hierboven al eens op gewezen dat de CC0-verklaring op rijksoverheid.nl foto's uitdrukkelijk uitsluit. Bij de foto's die je vandaag geüpload hebt staat dat ze 'vrij te gebruiken' zijn (althans, bij een deel ervan), maar dat is naar mijn mening te vaag om te concluderen dat ze ook vrij hergebruikt mogen worden voor alle doeleinden, en er kan mijns inziens zeker niet uit worden geconcludeerd dat ze onder de CC0-verklaring vallen. Toestemming geven voor gebruik is immers iets heel anders dan afstand doen van je auteursrecht.

Eerder vandaag zijn al die foto's al eens verwijderd. Ik blijf natuurlijk niet bezig, dus ik heb inmiddels een e-mail gestuurd aan de Rijksoverheid met de vraag of deze foto's onder de CC0-verklaring vallen en, als dat het geval is, of dat expliciet op de website kan worden aangegeven. Ik houd je op de hoogte van de reactie.

Mvg,

Woodcutterty (talk) 19:06, 26 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Mijn excuses ik had het totaal over het hoofd gezien dat de foto's eerder al waren geüpload en dat er rondom het auteursrecht nog vraagtekens waren. Ik zal in de toekomst er beter opletten. --ATX-NL (talk) 20:43, 26 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Toch bedankt voor uploaden van de foto's, ATX-NL! Ik heb er al een paar op de Duitse Wikipedia toegevoegd. Ook bedankt Woodcutterty voor het sturen van de e-mail. Ik vind het namelijk een beetje vaag dat op de copyright-pagina van de Rijksoverheid niet hergebruiken, tenzij aangegeven staat, en dat ze bij het aangeven gebruiken schrijft. Ik ben benieuwd naar de reactie. Dit berichtje is dus eigenlijk niet meer dan een bedankje voor jullie allebei. Groetjes --Timk70 (talk) 21:18, 26 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
ATX-NL, ook dankje van mij, toch wel een klus al die afbeeldingen binnenhalen. En Woodcutterty's mailtje lijkt me de constructieve benadering, beter dan meteen maar weer deleten. Ook daar dank voor. Erik Zachte (talk) 05:40, 27 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Wat fijn dat Woodcutterty dit wil uitzoeken. Het is inderdaad heel veel werk om de foto's binnen te halen. Ik heb mij eerder aan dit karwei gewaagd en alle foto's werden op stel en sprong verwijderd. Terwijl ik om een stukje uitleg vroeg, werden de eerste foto's al ter verwijdering aangedragen. Ik had het gewaardeerd als mijn bijdragen op dezelfde manier behandeld zouden worden. ATX-NL, bedankt voor het uploaden van deze foto's, ik weet wat voor werk dit is! --DWiki2 (talk) 07:44, 27 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright already clear?[edit]

Is the outcome of the above request to the Dutch government already clear? This case is about 25 photographs of Dutch government officials & Ministers, and the disputed copyright raises some concerns, as the photographs are already frequently used in several Wikipedia's (and often replace photographs with undisputed licenses). The term used by the Dutch Rijksoverheid ("Deze foto's zijn vrij te gebruiken") are unclear about re-use, cropping and commercial usage, but is also in conflict with the copyright sign on some photographs (see Ank Bijleveld) and the general copyright rules on the same website (https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/copyright/) stating "Voor foto's is de CC0 niet van toepassing. Het is dus niet toegestaan om een foto te hergebruiken, tenzij bij een foto is aangegeven dat dit wel is toegestaan." (My short transl.: "No CC-0; no re-use unless indicated"). If the permission wouldn't be given, it would be a lot of work to repair all replacements. I hope of course that the photographs will get a clear CC-BY-SA or PD license. Vysotsky (talk) 13:03, 4 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

A question: does anyone know the name of the photographer? Vysotsky (talk) 13:03, 4 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The question was forwarded to the Ministry of General Affairs. I have not yet received a response. The portraits were shot by Nia Palli. Woodcutterty (talk) 17:05, 5 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. See also this related discussion, with different photographers. Vysotsky (talk) 17:15, 5 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Quick update: they're working on updating the website to clarify the conditions for re-use. In the meantime I've been told the photos of the Rutte III cabinet can be re-used, so deletion is not opportune. Woodcutterty (talk) 11:42, 16 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Update: The website has been updated to clarify the conditions for re-use of the photos of ministers and state secretaries. I'm afraid the copyright has been reserved in accordance with article 15b of the Copyright Act. The photos can only be downloaded for editorial use by news media, for exhibition in public spaces, and for private and educational use. Woodcutterty (talk) 09:51, 5 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Pity. This once again shows that uploading is a lot of work, but that it is even more work to make sure that licenses are correct. Thank you for giving it a try, User:Woodcutterty. I hope that the users who actively replaced in-license photographs by these photographs (of which the license was still unclear), will change everything back. These 26 files are now used 315 times in several language versions of Wikipedia. (Many even in Wikidata!) Vysotsky (talk) 11:04, 5 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Higher resolution but how about the license?[edit]

Hello ATX-NL, two days ago you uploaded here a different file of a photo of Miller. In the edit summary you mentioned "Higher resolution" which is true. However you did not mention from where the new photo came and the [link to the source is today not working. Are you sure you got the new photo two days ago from the same page that is not working today? - Robotje (talk) 19:38, 9 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

A few months passed but no explanation was given, not even a short reply that you saw my request. For copyright reasons I just undid your edit. If you can later explain where you found that higher resolution picture of G. William Miller and the licence is OK for Commons you can upload it again. - Robotje (talk) 23:47, 6 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I guess the photo was cropped from this Flickr file. No copyright problem. Vysotsky (talk) 00:07, 7 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The source for the picture was http://www.ustreas.gov/education/history/secretaries/gwmiller.htm but that was most likely not where he found the higher resolution version. Then it cannot be checked if the licence is OK for Commons or if there is a copyright issue. In that case reverting is the only option until the source for the higher resolution picture is clear. - Robotje (talk) 05:59, 7 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
A few years ago I already explained that on this page (see section 'File:Beerenbrouck.jpg') and it now turns out after my revert he did again change that picture to a higher resolution version that did not come from the claimed source (nl-wiki). For the third time I reverted an update by ATX-NL for that picture. If ATX-NL keeps doing so he will get blocked here. - Robotje (talk) 06:20, 7 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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George Ho (talk) 22:14, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Nieuwe upload foto[edit]

Hoi ATX-NL, ik zag dat je een nieuwe upload had gedaan over een foto. Ik heb die foto net als geheel nieuwe foto geüpload en een oude versie onder jouw upload naar boven gehaald. Het gaat om deze foto en je upload daar staat nu hier. Het lijkt me namelijk meestal beter om een foto in zo'n geval geheel nieuw te uploaden. Voor de ruimte die het op de server van Commons in beslag neemt, maakt het namelijk geen verschil. En zo zijn beide nog steeds te gebruiken op de projecten. De eerdere versie kwam mij net namelijk beter uit. Ymnes (talk) 17:43, 25 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Cropped images[edit]

Dear User:ATX_NL, You repeatedly upload cropped images over existing files. Please stop that practice. Only upload cropped images as separate files. Vysotsky (talk) 22:30, 13 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yesterday you did it again here. I undid that change. It is better to save it under a new filename just as Vysotsky already explained. - Robotje (talk) 23:39, 6 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, ATX-NL, I was wondering if you are aware of this and what the reason could be you do not react on your userpage. Are you angry? Lotje (talk) 03:46, 3 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Robotje (talk) 05:23, 16 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Patrick Rogel (talk) 16:29, 15 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Patrick Rogel (talk) 13:03, 23 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Source of derivative work is not properly indicated: File:Al Gore 2009 (1).jpg[edit]

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Yours sincerely, Yuraily Lic (talk) 00:29, 27 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello ATX-NL, the following content you uploaded violates one or more of our policies and therefore has been or will soon be deleted:

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Yours sincerely, Sealle (talk) 05:30, 28 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

File:Anti Revolutionary Party.jpg has been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether it should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry.

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Strepulah (talk) 10:09, 21 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

File:GZalm.jpg has been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether it should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry.

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Please remember to respond to and – if appropriate – contradict the arguments supporting deletion. Arguments which focus on the nominator will not affect the result of the nomination. Thank you!

Dajasj (talk) 09:24, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]