User:Raoli/Deletion requests/FoP Italy/4

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Photos may not depict any architectural work.
The primary main subject may be another.
May be applied the De minimis (DM) policy.
Skyline of city is OK by DM, as long as it's not focused on any one building.
Utilitarian objects are NOT affected by the no-FoP.
Need to identify cases don't meet the threshold of originality.

When a picture is deleted, add relevant categories:

- Category:Italian FOP cases on the DR or add manually the image to the category page;
- Category:Undelete in 2037 (replace 2037 by the date the photo will be in public domain).

Attention: Upload only photographs taken of buildings whose architect died before 1954.
Photographs taken of buildings located in Italy can only be uploaded to Commons if the copyright on the building has expired, because the Copyright Law of Italy forbids the publication or commercial use of photographs taken of copyrighted buildings. The copyright term in Italy for buildings is the lifetime of the architect + 70 years + the end of the calendar year. See COM:CRT/Italy#Freedom of panorama for more information. Photographs taken of other buildings will be deleted if unfree.

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the current discussion

All these files are almost certainly violations of no-FoP for Italy.

More than 1300 files proposed and almost 300 cases of violation...

Files of Raffaello Fagnoni[edit]

Sorry, but these buildings of Raffaello Fagnoni (died 4 May 1966) are too recent and Italy has no FOP exemption (for exterior and interior).

Delete per Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Auditorium Parco della Musica (Rome).

Files in Category:Facoltà di Lettere e Filosofia (Florence)[edit]

Files in Category:Casa del Fascio (Florence)[edit]

Files in Category:Scuola di Guerra Aerea (Florence)[edit]

File:Scuola di guerra aerea, piazzale.JPG

Files in Category:Scuola di Guerra Aerea (Florence) - Palazzina Italia[edit]

Even if the furniture was created by Fagnoni it's design, it can stay anyway. --Sailko (talk) 22:20, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

No because they are covered by Italian copyright anyway. Raoli ✉ (talk) 22:42, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

You are right for this reason. Raoli ✉ (talk) 23:19, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

COM:DW#Isn't every product copyrighted by someone? What about cars? Or kitchen chairs? My computer case? is flawed and US-centric. Items such as furniture are copyrighted in some countries but not in other countries. For example, this particular chair was found to be protected by copyright in Sweden by a Swedish court. COM:FOP#Sweden furthermore requires works (except buildings) to be permanently installed (which can hardly be argued for this chair), so the photo of the chair may need to be deleted. I don't know if furniture is protected by copyright in Italy or not. --Stefan4 (talk) 14:03, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Not all furniture is protected by copyright in Italy, only those that are not patented and have their own creativity. The standard actually says that are considered artworks (ie copyrighted) all the creations which have a minimum of originality of the author. The standard is very vague, but my lawyer is trying to clarify them. Unfortunately, it will take time because I have to translate everything into English. Raoli ✉ (talk) 17:08, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

A chair considered artwork: File:Padiglione Comando, sala degli stemmi 06.JPG and a group of chairs not considered artwork File:Alloggio Ufficiali, sala lettura 05.JPG. This is the difference. These objects are considered non-creative: File:Alloggio Ufficiali, orologio 24h universale, emisfero boreale.JPG, File:Alloggio Ufficiali, sala lettura 06 lucernario in vetro di murano.JPG. I hope I have shown examples that help your understanding. :) Raoli ✉ (talk) 17:16, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Maybe you could expand COM:TOO#Italy and Utilitarian objects protected by copyright with some examples. :) --Stefan4 (talk) 17:18, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Raoli, il design tienilo da parte, è un'altra discussione. Sono oggetti d'arte, ma in quanto utilitari e riproducibili si possono fotografare. Guardati la lunga discussione su questa libreria qui e nelle pagine lì linkate. --Sailko (talk) 14:02, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Si ok se però mi aiuti a mettere da parte le immagini che sono di design. :) Non ricordo più quali sono... Raoli ✉ (talk) 16:18, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Ti avverto che comunque quella discussione non tiene conto del diritto d'autore italiano e lo stesso Carl Lindberg si basa sul diritto statunitense, non italiano. Si applicano in questo caso secondo il diritto internazionale sia la "lex loci originis" cioè il diritto del paese in qui è situata l'opera (quindi la titolarità, l'esistenza e la durata del diritto) e la "lex loci protectionis" cioè il diritto legato alla protezione prevista in caso di violazione nel paese dove l'opera è sita (quindi l'esercizio del diritto). Comunque se vai nella discussione su Pedia sto per aggiungere le sentenze inviatemi dall'avvocato. Una delle tante fa anche per questo caso. Raoli ✉ (talk) 16:27, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Files in Category:Scuola di Guerra Aerea (Florence) - Alloggio Ufficiali[edit]

Files in Category:Scuola di Guerra Aerea (Florence) - Palazzina di Comando[edit]

Files in Category:Palazzo INAIL (Prato)[edit]

Files in Category:Stadio Porta Elisa[edit]

Files in Category:Santa Maria Assunta (Montecatini Terme)[edit]

Files in Category:San Domenico (Cagliari)[edit]

Files in Category:Stadio Olimpico (Turin)[edit]

Sorry, but this building renovated in 2006 by "Giovanni Cenna Architetto e Arteco" is too recent and Italy has no FOP exemption (for exterior and interior).

Delete per Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Auditorium Parco della Musica (Rome).