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The Press:
The White House wanted this bill passed so

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you guys could pivot back to jobs, and now
we're going Thursday to Iowa. Is pivoting

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to jobs still the plan? And how long are we
going to be talking about health care now

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that it's passed?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, let me take this a couple of different

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ways. One, I think the President has been
working on the economic recovery every day

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that he's been in office. We know that the
President, in fact, signed a bill just last

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week to provide tax credits for small businesses
that hire the unemployed and I think we'll

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continue to talk about that going forward.
We know there are aspects of small business

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lending -- zero capital gains for small business
and the retrofit proposals that the President

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has made -- that he now wants to see also
go through Congress. Thursday the President

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will visit Iowa City where he outlined a grassroots
health care reform plan in 2007 and have a

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chance to talk about what this legislation
means for the small businesses that I was

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talking about, for families with children
who are labeled by insurance companies to

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suffer from a preexisting condition, or to
talk about what this means for seniors who

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will finally get help with covering the cost
of their prescription drugs if they happen

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to fall into what's commonly known as the
doughnut hole in Medicare Part D.

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The Press:
Is this going to be the one health care event

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he does outside of Washington, or are we going
to be doing a series of events outside of

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Washington and barnstorm
in support of this bill?

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Mr. Gibbs:
The President has a very
busy schedule coming

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up on a whole host of issues. Phil, I assume
the President will talk about health care

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for a long time, but the President has over
the course of the past many weeks, even as

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the legislative agenda has been focused on
getting health care done, which we did last

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night, the President also, I think as you'll
see over the next couple of weeks, has been

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working on a number of other issues that are
at the forefront and that we'll have an opportunity

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to talk about.

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The Press:
Finally, a lot of Democrats switched their

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votes or took politically dangerous votes
for themselves, frankly, to support this bill.

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What kind of support are those Democrats in the
House going to be receiving from the White House?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, I think there's no doubt -- and I

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don't have a political schedule in front of
me -- I have no doubt that we'll be on the

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road extensively in the fall as it relates
to health care reform and as it relates to

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helping those that supported health care last night
and supporting Democrats, even some that didn't.

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The Press:
Robert, did you mean to announce
when the bill signing is?

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Mr. Gibbs:
It's likely to be sometime tomorrow. I don't

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-- they're still working out some of the
logistics. In terms of timing, I would plan

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as of right now for a late morning bill signing,
weather permitting, outside, probably on the South Lawn.

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The Press:
Definitely on campus, nothing --

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Mr. Gibbs:
As of the last sort of
update I got, it would

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be logistically tough to go off campus but
also if the weather doesn't cooperate, it

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might also be logistically difficult to --

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The Press:
Invited?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I think each and every
member of the House

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and Senate that supported health care reform
will be invited. I expect that many of them

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will attend. I also believe that the President
will have with him many of the stories that

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he's given lift to over the course of the
past year to help demonstrate exactly why

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the President did what he did for so long
and who this impacts the most. Jeff.

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The Press:
Robert, two questions,
one on health care

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and one on -- a foreign policy question. What's
the White House's reaction to the states

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that have threatened to sue over this legislation?
Is that something that the President and the

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team are taking seriously?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I heard Nancy-Ann talk
a little bit about

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this, this morning on television I think.
My sense is that a lot of big pieces of legislation

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are challenged in some ways. We certainly
have -- you've seen the intent of some to

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do -- to challenge this legislation on grounds
we don't think will be very successful.

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The Press:
You don't think their suits
will be very successful?

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Mr. Gibbs:
We don't.

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The Press:
Okay. And is there any
kind of a plan or a

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reaction to deal with
that in the coming --

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, I assume there will be many things that

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we will deal with in the coming weeks, months,
and years ahead as health care reform is implemented.

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But I think that -- you know, look, some of
the states and some of the players might end

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up being kind of curious, but, again, I think
there's pretty long-standing precedent on

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the constitutionality of this.

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The Press:
My second question is
on Google and China.

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If Google does decide to pull out of China, what
effect would that have on U.S.-Chinese relations?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, let me not get
ahead of something --

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we'll have a chance to maybe discuss that
later on. Look, I think that you heard the

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President enunciate quite clearly in China
a policy and a belief that open government

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and the ability to communicate among people
without the censorship of government is tremendously

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important. So it may be, as there are in some
issues, that we in a mature diplomatic relationship

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have disagreements. But I don't want to
get ahead of something, but we may have a

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chance to discuss that later.

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The Press:
Did Google brief the
administration on what it's doing?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I don't know what the
latest is this morning on that.

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The Press:
On Thursday you guys
are going to Iowa to

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-- the President is going to talk about health
care reform, and I know you recall 2007 when

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the President -- then-senator was there; he
introduced his health care proposal. If you

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look at what he announced in 2007 and what
is law or will be law as of tomorrow, there

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are a lot of similarities, but there are also
a lot of striking differences in terms of

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whether or not there's universal coverage,
whether or not every individual's family

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premiums will go down $2,500. Is this just
what happens when ideals meet the pragmatic

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politics? Or why are there such differences between
what the President proposed two years ago?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, look, Jake,
obviously what you propose

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and what goes through the system sometimes
change. I think the promise that the President

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played out in May of 2007 and talked about
even before laying out a specific policy was

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that we should not, in a country like the
United States of America, have to have people

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deciding between keeping their house and keeping
their health care; or we shouldn't live

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in a country where people don't have access
to affordable health care. So look, I think

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always in this, it always goes through the
legislative process, but I think what the

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President promised that day and what the President
will sign tomorrow -- very much the promise

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of affordable, accessible health care that
puts people back in charge of their health

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care rather than insurance companies; I think
something that will have lasting benefit for

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tens of millions of Americans
for many years to come.

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The Press:
Is there going to be a follow-up legislation,

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since the President had the goal of universal
coverage in 2007? And the CBO says that current

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legislation will leave uninsured 23 million Americans.
Is there going to be a follow-up attempt?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Look, I don't know if there's been any discussions

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about that this morning.
The coverage that --

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The Press:
Probably not.

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Mr. Gibbs:
Right. The coverage -- I
think CBO said somewhere

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between 94 and 95 percent of Americans will
have coverage. And obviously we will, after

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the President signs this into law, get about
to the important process of ensuring its efficient

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and speedy implementation.

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The Press:
Does the President feel any -- this, obviously,

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was a very long, hard fight; very bitter and
divisive in a lot of ways -- does the President

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feel any obligation, as a man who campaigned
on bridging the partisan divide, to reach

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out to Republicans for future legislation,
for improving the spirit in Washington that

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has now been so poisoned by this very vicious
debate at times?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I don't know that
-- we'll be able to

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look back and see whether the debate itself
poisoned the atmosphere. I think that the

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President will do on financial reform, on
campaign finance, on getting our economy moving

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again, all of the host of issues that --
immigration reform and energy -- that we've

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talked about still being on the docket, I
think the President will continue to reach

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out to Democrats and Republicans that want
to make a positive effort on these issues.

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Jake, the President -- I'm a little struck
by the fact that everybody seems on one side

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to be talking about repeal today. So I'll
let them answer why, as Mitch McConnell put

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it in his profile in the New York Times, the
anecdote of him having a plan even before

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the President came to the Congress with an
economic recovery plan last January, that

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he had a plan to simply say no to each and
everything that the President proposed. I

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think that's a little bit about what elections
are ultimately going to be about. And I think

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if people want to campaign on taking tax cuts
away from small businesses, taking assistance

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away from seniors getting prescription drugs,
and want to take away a mother knowing that

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their child can't be discriminated against
by an insurance company -- if that's the platform

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that others want to run on, taking that away
from families and small businesses, then we'll

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have a robust campaign on that.

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The Press:
Can I just follow? What's your reaction

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to some of the words that were thrown around
just this past weekend? One Republican member

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of Congress shouting "baby killer." You
had Congressman John Lewis, a civil rights

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icon, have the N-word shouted at him. What's
your reaction to that, first; but then how

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do you pick up the pieces from this debate
for immigration and closing Gitmo and some

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of those other things?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, Ed, you have
-- we have talked about

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on any number of different debates what happens
when people say things that have no place

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in a legislative debate, let alone any --
I think any real place in our public or,

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quite frankly, even private discourse. I don't
know that I would want to explain to my six

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year old why I had done or said some of the
things that were done or said this past weekend.

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I think the President believes regardless
of the passion of your views, which people

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rightly hold in a country as great as this,
that we ought to be able to have that debate

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without the type of language and actions that
we've seen in some places over the weekend.

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The Press:
To follow on Jake was asking about the speech

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in the campaign about covering all Americans,
regardless of whether there was any talk this

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morning about a second piece of legislation,
generally how do you view this? Is this the

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first bite of the apple? Does the President
hope to complete this by the end of 2012?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I appreciate you all constructing another

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mountain for us to climb. I'm quite frankly this
afternoon just enjoying the view from where we are.

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The Press:
Okay. On another subject, Israel, you got

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the Prime Minister coming to meet with the
President tomorrow. Ahead of that meeting

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we're getting reports that the Prime Minister
has suggested he might make some concessions,

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including sitting down for direct talks with
the Palestinians, U.S.-brokered. It sounds

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like we need to hear whether the U.S. is willing
to bring the parties together. How quickly

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do you think the President will receive those
concessions and would he commence talks?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, I think Prime Minister Netanyahu is

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-- obviously is here, will meet with some
administration officials today, and will meet

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privately with the President, like he did
last year, tomorrow, early tomorrow evening.

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Our goal in any of this is to create an atmosphere
of trust and open dialogue to bring these

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two sides together so that the discussions
can be substantive in moving towards comprehensive

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Middle Eastern peace. I think that's what
we hope tomorrow is in his discussions with

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the Prime Minister, and we'll
see what comes out of that.

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The Press:
Is the President prepared
to start talks with the

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U.S. helping to broker --

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Mr. Gibbs:
The President looks
forward to having a good

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conversation with Prime Minister Netanyahu,
and we'll see where we go from there.

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The Press:
Coverage?

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Mr. Gibbs:
No coverage. It will
be in the dining room

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off the Oval Office. Yes, ma'am.

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The Press:
What did the President learn about himself

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out of this debate and about the different
parties? And what is -- I think it's very

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legitimate to ask what is the next big mountain?

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Mr. Gibbs:
It's legitimate to ask. I didn't want

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to climb a separate mountain on this. Look,
I think what he learned about -- I think what

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all of Washington learned about him is that
he is willing to make very tough decisions --

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The Press:
Why didn't he go for the
government plan then?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Let me -- I didn't even
get five words out, Helen.

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I think somebody who's willing to make very
tough decisions and see that through. I think

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there were many opportunities where he could
have turned back, and I think he -- I think

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very much that what passed last night meant
more to him than any election night could

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have, because I think he understands -- and
the reason that he continued to push forward

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on something as important as health care reform
is he understands just what it will mean,

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as I said earlier, for millions of Americans
for many, many years to come. They will --

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just in the next -- within this year, small
businesses will begin to get tax credits to

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help pay for the coverage they provide their
employees. Seniors will get help in their

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prescription drug coverage, and we'll begin
to close that doughnut hole that I talked

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about. Maybe most importantly in all these
immediate benefits, like I've said before,

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a mother doesn't have -- won't have to
sit in her kitchen on the phone with an insurance

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company, worried sick that the decisions about
her child's health care are not going to

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be made by a doctor, they're not going to
be made by her or her family, but by an insurance

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company bureaucrat on the other end of the
phone in God knows where, determining that

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that child had a preexisting condition. That's
all going to change. And that's just what's

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going to happen over the course of the rest
of 2010. So, look, I think he was -- I think

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he knew what he wanted to accomplish, and
despite all of -- despite whatever he was

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told, he kept fighting
for what he believed in.

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The Press:
So will that be his modus operandi from now

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on? He started out very
slow and not really pushing --

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, I would say perseverance paid
off. Look, I think the President

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rightly looks at the scorekeeping that happens
on any given or individual day. And I doubt

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that anybody -- I doubt there's not anybody
in here that at some point declared health

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care dead, maybe multiple times. I think the
pace that the President had was to see the

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long view and to get this done, and I think
that's what he did. As for the next mountains,

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we've talked about some of them. There's no
doubt that finishing the legislation that

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the President has offered and ideas that he's
offered on getting our economy moving again,

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small business lending, zero capital gains
for start-up small businesses, the retrofitting

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initiatives to, again, create jobs. There's
the outstanding case -- and the loophole that

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the case generated for Citizens United; obviously,
financial reform, which Senator Dodd's committee

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will take up today, and I think we feel there's
some momentum building for seeing that through,

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as well as big issues like comprehensive energy
and immigration legislation are obviously

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still left for the President to do.

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The Press:
There are some who think -- who seem to think

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that the President's health care reform
bill will somehow fund abortions. Can you

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maybe speak to that?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I'm sorry, say that again.

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The Press:
There are some who think the President's

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health care reform is somehow funding
abortions. Can you speak to that?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I will say this, and I think the executive

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order makes this clear: The President stated
throughout this process that health care reform

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should simply maintain the status quo. He
believes that the bill maintains the status

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quo and he thinks the executive order reiterates
that strong belief.

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The Press:
But that's all it does, doesn't it --

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reiterates the existing law? There's nothing
-- there's nothing in particular about

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the executive order that changed anything.

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, again, the President and I think quite

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frankly many in Congress on both sides of
this believed, as the President did, that

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this should be a health care bill; that it
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And what the bill does and what the
executive order does is underscore

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that the status quo is preserved.

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The Press:
It doesn't change anything, though, does it?

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Mr. Gibbs:
That was the whole point.

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The Press:
So tomorrow, will there
be -- will the President

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have any new proposals to move the Israeli-Palestinian
negotiations beyond where they are with the

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Mitchell talks right now? Is he going to
-- any new ideas to push this forward?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, again, we'll have a sense of what

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building the type of trust that's needed
to get two parties back at the table

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to begin that dialogue.

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The Press:
Does he expect a further apology for the treatment

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of the Vice President?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I think we've spoken clearly on that and I

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have no doubt that that will be
a topic in the meeting. Chuck.

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The Press:
Just to follow-up quickly on --

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-- so there's no coverage, there's
going to be no public statement

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with the President appearing --

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Mr. Gibbs:
No.

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The Press:
This is the second time in a row that Prime

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Minister Netanyahu has visited and you guys
have not had any cameras. Is there -- is this

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just a coincidence?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I think over the course
of -- this will be --

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The Press:
Is this the only world
leader and now it's twice?

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Mr. Gibbs:
No, I think -- well,
I don't -- you may have

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better -- Mark probably has
better statistics on --

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The Press:
How did I do on that?

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The Press:
Well, King Juan Carlos, we
didn't get a picture of him.

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The Press:
Okay.

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(laughter)

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There you go.

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Mr. Gibbs:
What do you have to say about that?

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(laughter)

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I think this is the fourth meeting, if I'm
not mistaken, with Prime Minister Netanyahu

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-- two were open with
sprays, two have been --

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The Press:
This is the second straight visit to the White

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House, though, with no public statements.
Not a coincidence or it is a coincidence?

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Is there --

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Mr. Gibbs:
I think they'll have a good discussion.

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The Press:
Why do you want to play it down?

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The Press:
Yes, I mean, isn't
this a helpful thing to --

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Mr. Gibbs:
You guys seem to be let in on a
secret that the meeting is happening.

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The Press:
Secret?

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(laughter)

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The Press:
Well, why wouldn't they both want to reassure

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the world that relations are not frayed?

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Mr. Gibbs:
We said that a week ago.

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The Press:
Right, but why won't they
go public -- the leaders?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I can tell you that -- I can tell you that

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they're not frayed and that our bond with
the Israelis is strong.

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The Press:
So this is how an ally -- so an ally comes

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and visits, no picture, no back-slapping,
hey -- relations with the Associated Press

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are great between -- I know, I mean -- it
does seem odd --

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Mr. Gibbs:
You lost me in that
otherwise pretty good analogy.

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The Press:
No, it just seems odd
-- no, that you guys

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have -- this is an important ally. You say
relations aren't frayed. So why not come

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out together and say that?

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Mr. Gibbs:
This is how the coverage of
the meeting is going to go.

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The Press:
Back to health care; I want to follow upon

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the legal challenge question. What has your
Counsel's Office said? Why do you have this

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confidence that -- you say there's established
law, established precedent. On what, what

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is it? What is the established precedent?

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Mr. Gibbs:
On regulation of interstate commerce.

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The Press:
But how is a mandate on an individual part

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of interstate -- I mean, so --

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, that's -- I think, again -- look, I'm

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not a lawyer, right.

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The Press:
And neither am I.

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(laughter)

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Mr. Gibbs:
Right, so we're both in a pool where we

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can't either see or touch the bottom. But
as I understand the articles that I've read,

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the Attorney General, for instance, of Virginia,
is going to sue because he thinks this violates

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that. I think that for many decades, the Supreme
Court has recognized Congress's authority

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under the commerce clause to regulate activities
relating to interstate commerce.

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The Press:
But this is essentially going to say -- the

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argument is going to be, if you're a human
being and an American citizen, you have to

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get health insurance.

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Mr. Gibbs:
Again, I think they're challenging the basis

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-- the constitutional basis of an individual
responsibility requirement that --

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The Press:
On a federal level, as opposed to a --

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Mr. Gibbs:
-- right -- that the President and the team

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do not believe. For instance, I think Utah
is one of the states that's thinking about

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doing this. Senator Hatch and Senator Bennett
have both been on legislation requiring some

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level of individual responsibility like this.
Senator Bennett's health care bill with

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Senator Wyden has an individual mandate. So
again, I won't get into why some of this stuff --

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The Press:
But that speaks to an advocacy question, not

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to the legal basis of it. They could advocate
for it, and it could be wrong legally, too.

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I mean, that doesn't answer -- that doesn't
solve the -- I'm not making a judgment on

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their policy points --

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, I'll let you ask Senator Hatch whether

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he thinks that he regularly believes --

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The Press:
Your advice from Counsel
is there is no legal basis

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on which the --

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Mr. Gibbs:
My advice from Counsel is
that we'll win these lawsuits.

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The Press:
And finally, confidence on this -- on what's

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going to happen this week in the Senate? You've
got your 51 votes, you've got them lined

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up, this is --

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Mr. Gibbs:
I would say that -- look, I would point you

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to what Senator Reid told the House caucus
on Saturday; that --

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The Press:
He seemed to hedge a little bit.

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Mr. Gibbs:
I didn't see that --

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The Press:
I mean, there was no letter, 51, right, he

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didn't have a full-fledged, or the
51 signatures. I mean, is that --

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Mr. Gibbs:
Again, I think --

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The Press:
Do you expect --

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Mr. Gibbs:
I doubt Senator Reid would have to -- if he

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didn't have the commitment that he told
many he would have and we believe he does.

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The Press:
You expect the Senate to pass this word for

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word, what they passed?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Look, I think that the Senate will take this

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up at some point this week, begin the process,
and, look, health care is going to become

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law tomorrow. I think that -- I can't speak
to all of the amendments or all of the shenanigans

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that will be tried on Capitol Hill over the
course of the next many days, but we're

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confident that this process is
coming to an end. Yes, ma'am.

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The Press:
Back onto abortion, there are some who believe

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that given the difficultly of complying with
this separation of funds and the rules that

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are laid out, that a lot of insurance companies
just simply won't offer abortion coverage

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in the exchange. What's the White House's
view on the likelihood of that outcome?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I have not talked to Nancy-Ann about whether

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or not that's a topic that they have wrestled
with. Obviously that's -- once the President

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signs this into law, there will be a host
of implementation ideas and tasks that we'll

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begin working on.

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The Press:
And on the broader question, the President

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entered office determined to sort of try to
bridge the gap in the abortion wars and repeatedly

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has issued statements trying to bring the
sides together, and yet it seems as though

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the abortion wars are as
hot as they've ever been.

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Mr. Gibbs:
I don't think that's true. I think if

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they were as hot as they'd ever been, we'd
be talking about why this was an issue that

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wasn't central to the legislation but it
caused its demise. Instead, we're here because

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groups worked together in order to ensure that
a health care bill would be a health care bill.

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The Press:
So you think that the abortion debate has

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become less toxic over the last year?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I think, as it relates to health care, it's

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evidenced that -- it's evidenced that the
issue is one that even those that disagree

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on can find common ground to ensure that important
policies like comprehensive health care reform

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move forward. Yes, Mark.

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The Press:
Robert, will the President sign the executive

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order tomorrow, as well?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I'm told he can't sign that until he signs

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the law, so whether that -- I don't know
whether that's tomorrow or in the coming

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days. Bill handed me a note that said, likely
because of the weather we are going to be

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over at the Department of the Interior tomorrow.
And we'll get you logistical information

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on all that.

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The Press:
Any reason for the Department of Interior?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I think largely because of --

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The Press:
Space?

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Mr. Gibbs:
-- space. Yes.

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The Press:
And on the trip on Thursday, is that a victory

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lap or is he trying to reach out to perhaps
Americans that are upset about the bill?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, look, I think, Mark, he will take the

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opportunity to discuss the benefits that the
law provides millions of Americans as a result

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of his signature. We can debate the polling
and the politics on this. I think that as

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-- as we get away from the back and forth
of a legislative floor debate and examine

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what is in the bill and how it affects families
and small businesses and seniors -- and then

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we can talk about what's not in the bill,
despite what some people have said -- I think

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the President believes that more will --
more will see the benefits that he saw in

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making sure this legislation becomes law.

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The Press:
But does he want to try to allay the fears

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or concerns of those who
are opposed to the bill?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I think he will -- I think he will walk --

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in all that he does, he'll walk people
through what he believes this legislation

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does. And I think you've heard him say over
the past many months to address specific instances

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about what people say the bill does that it
in fact doesn't do. So I think he will have

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and continue to have an opportunity to do
that. And certainly the first -- I anticipate

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he'll do a lot of that tomorrow; he did
some of that last night; and will do even

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more of it in Iowa City.

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The Press:
Did he have any comment that the vote yesterday

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for the bill was entirely partisan, but the
vote against it was bipartisan?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Not that I remember anything specifically

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on that, Mark. I know that, again, this is
a President that has -- I think by any account

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you could see that this is a process that
took a little more than a year to complete

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partly because the process that the President
and Congress went through was one in order

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to try to get Republican support, even when
Republicans said even it's likely if --

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even if it's likely that I can support
-- I like what's in the bill, I might not

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be able to vote for it. I think that just
is the -- regrettably the times that apparently

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we live in. Roger.

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The Press:
Robert, since the briefing started Google

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has now announced that it won't censor searches
in China and is directing users to the Hong

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Kong servers. Now, can you talk about how
the U.S. was informed --

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Mr. Gibbs:
Let me -- I know that there were some --

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I need to find out what discussions were had
here this morning. I know there was some discussion

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over the weekend that something
like this might be coming.

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The Press:
With NSC?

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Mr. Gibbs:
With NSC.

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The Press:
Okay. And do you know what action the U.S.

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might take if China's government makes any
move against Google's operations?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I don't know that I would get into a hypothetical

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on something like that.

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The Press:
Is it possible --

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Mr. Gibbs:
I'm happy to react to what's happening,

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not what we think might.

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The Press:
On the talks tomorrow night, will the President

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be in kind of a listen mode, trying to understand
the housing stuff last week, or is he going

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to offer up some proposal, some sort of way
forward? Can you talk a little bit about what

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he's going to be doing?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Again, I'm not under the impression the

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President is bringing new proposals forward.
I think what we need to do is work to get

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and build the type of relationship between
these two parties that allows them to get

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to the table and trust each other enough to
have conversations. I think that's what the

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President's intention has been, quite honestly,
since the beginning of his administration

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in trying to get this done.

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The Press:
Will he ask them for specific requests?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Again, I'm not going to get into what has

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been discussed with the Secretary of State
or the Vice President over the past many days.

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The Press:
How about a readout?

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Mr. Gibbs:
We'll have one, yes. Major.

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The Press:
Robert, a little bit of texture on yesterday.

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When was it that the President knew confidently
that he had the votes -- Democratic leadership

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had the votes in the House? Was it the final
resolution, the Stupak situation? Was it sometime

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after that? And can you take us a little bit
into the Roosevelt Room for what I have to

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imagine was a more than mildly significant
moment for him personally and for those

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closest to him?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I think that -- in terms of votes, I think

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obviously the members that Congressman Stupak
had -- that shared his concerns, once the

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executive order -- once that all played out,
I think obviously that's the point in which

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we felt good that the legislation would exceed
216 votes. The President --

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The Press:
Did you doubt up until that moment whether

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you could get 216 without that arrangement?

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Mr. Gibbs:
We were trying -- the President spent a lot

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of time talking to a lot of different members,
discussing the benefits of what this legislation

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did, in a lot of different combinations, to
get to 216. So -- in terms of the Roosevelt --

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The Press:
The question is, could you have
gotten there without Stupak?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I'm not sure that that would -- is altogether

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knowable, since at a certain point yesterday
it became that way. And I don't know what

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that -- I don't know what that does to other
people's votes, so I'm not sure that that's

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altogether knowable. In terms of the Roosevelt
Room, Major, he walked in, the Vice President

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was there, many staffers were there, and I
think he very much wanted to -- he'd come

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down from the residence and very much wanted
to be, as we wanted to be with him, be with

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a group of people that have spent many years,
some people far longer than coming here, working

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on the promise of health care reform for millions
and millions of Americans. So as you always

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do, you anxiously watch, you wonder who the
24 people are that haven't voted, with two-and-a-half

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minutes left, given the fact that it's been
what everybody's been talking about for

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weeks. And then obviously when we hit 216,
there was a lot of jubilation. The President

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went around the room, shaking hands and hugging
and high-fiving. As I said, there are people

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that have worked on this issue longer than
there has been an Obama administration. There

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are people that have been with the President
for many years throughout the campaign, like

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myself, I think that felt enormously proud
of him for the type of perseverance I talked

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about earlier and not letting up and not giving
up, and making sure that we drove toward what

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he saw as the outcome rather than listening
to all of the noise in getting there. And

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that's, I think, one of --

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The Press:
Any memorable quotes from that particular

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moment, either way, staff or President?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I just remember him being very happy. I mean,

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again, when he walked around the room, I think
we all had a chance to say stuff to him.

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The Press:
Was Mrs. Obama there?

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Mr. Gibbs:
No, she was not.

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The Press:
Speaking of Iowa, Charles Grassley just said

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a moment ago that he would like to offer an
amendment during the reconciliation process

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to require the President -- and all senior
staff and all Cabinet secretaries -- to live

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under the guidelines and the requirements
of the health care bill. First of all, do

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you stipulate that they do not? And second
of all, do you consider that a flaw in the

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legislation and a legitimate point of criticism?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I'd have to look at the amendment and ask

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Nancy-Ann. I know that -- I think someone
offered an amendment at some point in the

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process to make members of Congress, as the
President has said, give the American people

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the same type of health care that members
of Congress have. And, obviously, the President

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supported that. I just have not seen what
Senator Grassley --

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The Press:
One more on another topic. Peter Orszag put

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out a memo last week on ACORN funding. Do
you consider that just a response to the federal

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court order to reinstate that --

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Mr. Gibbs:
Let me get some information from OMB on that.

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I don't have anything on that.

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The Press:
Okay.

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Mr. Gibbs:
Yes, sir.

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The Press:
What is the -- what kind of event is it in

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Iowa? A speech, a town hall?

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Mr. Gibbs:
It will be a speech.

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The Press:
And as President Obama and Prime Minister

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Netanyahu resolve their differences, what's
the administration's message to the Palestinians?

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After the administration called on the Israeli
government to stop building in East Jerusalem,

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they said they're not going to. It doesn't
seem to get at the Palestinian concerns at

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all. And it seems now that this is dissolving,
but there is no real solution in their view.

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, again, I think the President is hopeful

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that we will in this meeting make progress
and get -- without getting into the intricacies

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of it -- get these two parties back to --
not just back physically to talks, but to

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the type of relationship that is necessary
for those talks to bear fruit. Yes, sir.

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The Press:
Thanks. Two quick questions, Robert. First,

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on the passage of the health care reform bill,
there's been a lot of talk about the effect

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this is going to have on Democrats in November.
The Republicans -- I think Karl Rove said

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it was going to be devastating to Democrats.
Most of the reporters I've heard on TV since

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-- even since the passage of the bill seem
to be conceding it's going to -- Democrats

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are going to pay some price. Is there any
scenario that you or the President sees whereby

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Democrats could actually gain in November based
on the momentum from this legislative victory?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, look, I'm not going to hazard a lot

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of guesses on what's going to happen eight
months from now, since eight months from

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-- eight months backwards from today I don't
think many people thought today we'd be

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talking about what we've accomplished in those
eight months. So I tend not to have a crystal

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ball. Again, I think that as -- when the President
signs this landmark legislation the American

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people will, in the next several months, begin
to feel -- through small business tax credits,

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through protections against children being
declared -- or having declared that they have

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a preexisting condition, seniors getting help
with their prescription drugs -- the type

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of things that the President envisioned happening
as a part of health care reform. And I think

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that will be beneficial. The President I think
was pretty eloquent in saying this over the

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past couple weeks, that when asked what happens
if this fails, what does it mean for you politically,

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I think the President was pretty clear in
saying that his far greater concern was what

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happens to all of those that are depending
on us to change the status quo, and to do

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so in a way that helps them. So I know there
are a lot of folks that will want to prognosticate.

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I think the President's strong belief is
you make the decisions that you believe are

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right. You don't spend a lot of time looking
at the polls or listening to the chatter,

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and good decisions and good policy often tend
to make for good politics in the long term.

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The Press:
My second question was, there's also been

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some talk on the left about how any Democratic
senator could sponsor an amendment to put

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a public option in the reconciliation package.
If that happened, would that be something

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the President would push for?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I'm going to wait for the Senate to decide

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what they want to do in
terms of amendments. Yes, sir.

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The Press:
Robert, can we go back to Jake's question

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and ask if -- in the obverse, about bipartisanship?
The President endured months of negotiation

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in the Senate while his allies tried to get
some Republicans on board. He went through

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town halls and meetings at Blair House, et
cetera, and ended up with zero Republican

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votes. Why isn't the lesson of this that
bipartisanship is a fool's errand?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, I think, again, if your -- if the strategy

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on the other side is regardless of what the
President proposes, to say no, then bipartisanship

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is going to be difficult. I think you've
seen people to say -- people have said today,

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well, what this whole process means, we're
not going to work together with the other

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side for the rest of the year. Well, I don't
think that's a real change in their schedule

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because I haven't noticed that there's
been a whole lot of, gee, I know the economy

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is experiencing the worst downturn since the
Great Depression, here are some ideas, let's

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help. I think that's -- but again, I think
the American people will judge whether or

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not people are doing what they're doing
because they're just continuing the type

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of games that the American people hate in
this town versus somebody who's trying to

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honestly make some progress. I think the President
spent seven or so hours at the Blair House.

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Incorporated in the legislation were more
than a hundred Republican amendments. You'd

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have to ask them what it would take to get
their support when, as the President has himself

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said, bipartisanship can't be "none of
my ideas and all of yours." Incorporated

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in the legislation were Republican ideas.
People like Bob Dole and Howard Baker had

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proposals with Tom Daschle, very similar to
what is proposed here. I've talked about

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the fact that this legislation looks an awful
lot like what happened in Massachusetts, and

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I'm sure Governor Romney hates every time
I say that. The only difference really is

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that we addressed cost, and Massachusetts
didn't do that, and it took them a while

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to get to that curve. But what makes Republicans
that two or four or eight or 12 years ago

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would have proposed something very similar
to this now walk away from it is a good thing

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for them to have to answer.

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The Press:
Robert, my question was about what the President

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takes from this. Is he still willing to do
the same sort of -- going for a year, for

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example, on financial overhaul?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, I don't think the President believes

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-- well, we've already been working a year
on financial reform. We passed the House.

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We are likely to pass soon the committee of
jurisdiction in the Senate. And I think the

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President believes that we are coming close
to the two-year anniversary of the utter collapse

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of our financial system based on people gaming
that system and there not being in place strong

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rules to prevent that from happening. The
President is not convinced that it is going

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to take another year to get those rules into
place. And people are going to have to decide

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in the next few months, particularly on financial
reform, whether you're going to put rules

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in place to prevent this from happening, or
whether you're going to work on the side

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of the very same actors that caused many of
these types of episodes -- this type of episode,

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calamitous episode, to happen. Yes, sir.

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The Press:
Robert, is the President's health care a

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communications challenge different than Iowa
City and beyond than it was in Missouri or

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Pennsylvania or Ohio before the bill was passed?

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Mr. Gibbs:
In what way?

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The Press:
Does he have a different message now?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, I mean, obviously, look, I think the

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President will now discuss -- look, obviously,
up until yesterday we were discussing what

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happens when the bill passes. Now we'll
be able to talk about tangibly what people

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will see. So in some ways it's -- I mean,
obviously, some of the verbs are a little

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different, but there's no question that
the basis by what the President -- I think

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what you've heard the President talk about
for the past two weeks about what insurance

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companies are doing and what this reform does
will be the basis for what I think a lot of

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what you'll hear going forward. Yes, sir.

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The Press:
Robert, just on some of the other issues on

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the President's agenda, do you have a ranking
of the most important things and the most

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gettable things you want, or --

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Mr. Gibbs:
I picked Kansas to win the bracket, so I don't

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see any reason for me to
begin ranking said priorities.

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The Press:
How will you decide what to go for and what

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to really invest in --

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, look --

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The Press:
-- financial reform or energy or education?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, I think there's no doubt that --

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well, on education I think the President and
Secretary Duncan have made amazing strides

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on reforming our educational system. I think
there's no doubt that financial reform is

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something the President expects to sign before
the end of this year. David.

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The Press:
Thank you, Robert. You talked a little bit

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earlier about the tone of the debate, but
from the members of Congress -- not just from

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people outside the hall -- there was some
very excessive rhetoric. Connie Mack, representative

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from Florida, Republican, said -- put out
a press release, saying literally, "Freedom

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died today." If that's sort of the response
you got from the other side, first, you know,

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what do you make of it, and can you work with
people like that in other areas?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, again, all the President can do is try.

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All the President can do is talk to members
about what is important going forward, and

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getting our economy moving again -- is it
helping small businesses with tax credits

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and lending and things like that. I happen
to believe there is some overlap and commonality,

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at least in the rhetoric of what President
Obama and some on the Republican side talk

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about. Whether or not -- again, whether or
not they're willing to put aside Senator

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McConnell's plan to oppose everything and
seek to be part of a governing solution, we'll

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just have to see.

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The Press:
On a related front, looking back at what happened

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with the stimulus and the political debate
that followed for months afterwards, do you

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believe the White House has picked up any
lessons on how to deal with the definitional

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debate that will come about after the passage
of this bill?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, again, I think, as is the case with

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the Recovery Plan, I think there's no doubt,
as I said early on in my time here today,

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that the President will -- there's no doubt
the President will continue to talk about

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what health care reform is for the American
people, what the passage of this law means.

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And as I said, I think people will also get
a chance to see what some people have said

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the bill means -- they'll get to see that's
not what's happened. And I think all of

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that will be beneficial for folks over the
next many months.

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The Press:
Can I follow that?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Hold on a second. Mike.

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The Press:
Is the White House ready for the implementation

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challenge that will come after the President's
signature? There are a number of positions

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at HHS, for instance, that are still vacant
and will have a big role here.

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Mr. Gibbs:
Look, I know that senior staff here this morning

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in our morning meeting as well as in our meeting
with the President discussed beginning in

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earnest that process and what goes along with
it -- undoubtedly a big challenge. But I think

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many of the same group of people that helped
think -- helped get through Congress what

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many people thought was unattainable will
begin the challenge of implementing what will

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be law on Tuesday. Glen.

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The Press:
Robert, it was really kind of a circus-like

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atmosphere in the House chamber at times yesterday.
In addition to sort of the Neugebauer-Stupak

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issue, there were fliers placed on seats.
There was one incident in which some -- there

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was an outburst in the gallery and some members
on the Republican side seemed to encourage

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that outburst. Do you think the GOP leadership
in the House is doing enough to rein in its

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own members and to instill a sense of decorum
about the House?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Look, I didn't -- I was in and out of a

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lot of things yesterday. I did not see each
and every instance. I have said here and I

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think many have said that we have to be respectful
of each other despite the differences that

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we may have in our opinions and to conduct
ourselves in a way that demonstrates that

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respect. I think that goes for anybody in
public life on both sides of the aisle as

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-- even as you're debating something that
has inflamed the passions like health care

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reform certainly has.

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The Press:
Do you think it says something, though, about

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the party and where they're at, at the moment,
that you're seeing this kind of behavior?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, again, I think instead of being frustrated

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about a process, there were many avenues with
which to become active in the legislative

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problem-solving part of the process that I
think many wish they might have taken up.

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The Press:
Do the insurance -- are the insurance companies

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going to be expected to comply with the measures
in the law from the moment the President signs

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them? In other words, you talked about kids
and preexisting conditions -- will people

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notice that immediately on day one in talking
to their insurance companies? Don't there

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have to be regulations -- aren't we really
actually talking about many months before

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that actually goes into effect, or do you expect
that they comply in the spirit from day one?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Let me ask -- that's a good policy question

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for me to ask Nancy Ann. The legislation on
the three things that I discussed phases that

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in over the course of the remaining part of
this year. The spirit of the law is something

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I've not talked to her about, but I'd
say it's a question worth asking. George.

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The Press:
President Clinton, on Saturday night, said

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that he was making calls to Democratic members
of the House at the behest the White House,

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and then took a call from President Obama
about 7:00-7:15 p.m. Can you talk about the

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role he played and what you asked him to do?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Look, obviously, President Clinton has relationships

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with many members of Congress on the Democratic
side going back to his time here. And we made

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use of his offering to do whatever he could
to help pass this legislation. He asked for

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calls. Obviously, Rahm knows who the President
-- President Clinton knows well. And we handed

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him members to reach out to. And I think,
in the end, he was successful in helping us

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get some of those votes. I will say this,
too. Prior to coming out here, I was in a

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meeting in the Situation Room where Secretary
Clinton was, and she was very happy to see

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what happened yesterday, and when the President
came in, walked over and gave him a big hug

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for what had been accomplished.