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Mr. Gibbs:
Good afternoon. Before we get started with

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your questions, let me make a brief announcement.
The President and the First Lady will be traveling

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to Indonesia and Australia in the second half
of March. This trip is an important part of

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the President's continued effort to broaden
and strengthen the partnerships that are necessary

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to advance our security and prosperity. Indonesia
is the world's fourth most populous country,

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the third largest democracy; is home to the
largest Muslim population in the world; and

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an important partner in the G20. During his
visit the President will formally launch the

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U.S.-Indonesia Comprehensive Partnership,
an initiative through which the United States

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will broaden and strengthen relations with
Indonesia to tackle important regional and

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global issues. In addition, this year also
marks the 70th anniversary of U.S.-Australia

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relations. The President looks forward to
commemorating that milestone and consulting

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with Prime Minister Rudd on ways that we can
build on the strong relationship between our

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two countries and discuss issues such as global
economic recovery, clean energy and climate

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change, non-proliferation and Afghanistan.
En route to Asia the President will visit

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Guam, where he will speak with U.S. service
members on the island. We'll have more specific

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dates for you shortly after they are
completely done with the pre-advance.

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The Press:
Before or after the NCAA brackets are announced?

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(laughter)

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Mr. Gibbs:
I know that is weighing heavily on many traveling

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members' minds and we will seek to plan accordingly.

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The Press:
Will he visit childhood haunts in Indonesia?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I'd anticipate that that will
likely be one of the stops.

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The Press:
Is the whole family coming?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Yes.

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The Press:
Coincides with spring vacation for two little girls?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Likely, yes.

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The Press:
Any plan for India trip?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Not on this trip.

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The Press:
Speaking of numbers, the budget -- it's hard

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to avoid a headline out of this budget that
the deficit is going to hit another record

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this year. Next year, if Congress approves
and the projections that are in the budget

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come true, the budget deficit will be back
to basically what it was when the President

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took office.

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Mr. Gibbs:
Right.

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The Press:
Has he chosen the need to fight the recession

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to create jobs as a higher priority
than fighting the deficit?

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Mr. Gibbs:
In the short term, absolutely. We have to

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get our economy moving again because one of
the reasons that we've seen the budget deficit

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grow is that the economy has slowed down.
We all know the extraordinary measures that

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had to be put in place in order to jumpstart
the economy and we've seen some of the impacts

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of that as recently as Friday, with increased
numbers in economic growth. The President,

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as you heard in the State of the Union and
throughout the first year, discuss the need

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and the necessity to get that economy moving
again, and then to transition to address our

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mid- and long-term fiscal challenges. I think
many of the proposals the President outlines

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in here we have discussed -- non-security
discretionary spending freeze; the President

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has supported and Congress thankfully passed
last week a reinstitution of I think very

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simple commonsense rules that -- for pay as
you go, that if we're going to spend money

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we're going to have to pay for it -- rules
that were absent for a decent part of the

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last decade in which we saw
deficits and debts skyrocket.

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The Press:
His rhetoric, the words he chose today, talking

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about how we've got to stop spending money
like it's Monopoly money and deficits matter

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and all that -- it sounds like he's saying
that but saying, but we've got to wait on

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that part of it. In other words, he's, like,
talking at cross purposes to the budget he

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actually submitted.

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Mr. Gibbs:
No, no, look, we -- look, we all understand

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we had to take extraordinary measures, again,
to get this economy going. Are we spending

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more money on unemployment insurance than
the President would like? Yes, on two accounts.

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One, it's money that we're having to spend,
and having to spend that money means more

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and more people are unemployed. Are we having
to spend money on a Recovery Act that, all

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things being equal, the President would like
to not have to do? Absolutely. We have to

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get our economy moving again, we have to create
jobs. That will improve our medium- and long-term

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deficit picture. Understanding, too, that
the President has also taken some extraordinary

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steps, Mark, in terms of pay as you go, the
-- we spent a lot of time in the past year

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talking about health care -- a proposal that
the President laid out a specific path for

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paying for. We are where we are today partly
because of this economic downturn, but partly

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because for a long time we had two wars that
we weren't paying for. We had tax cuts that

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we weren't paying for. And we had a prescription
drug benefit that, although very worthy, we

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never paid for. We have to return to some
very common-sense principles that everyday

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Americans live by every time they go to the
grocery store or want to go to the movies

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or cash their paycheck, and that is
you can't spend more than you have.

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The Press:
One more question stemming from the briefing

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that we just had. Christina Romer was talking
about the jobless rate still being at 9.8

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percent as we get to the end of the year.
With all the additional money that's going

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to be spent on job creation incentives for
a company to hire, is a $3.8 trillion budget

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getting its money's worth if
that's the best we can do?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, understand, Mark, again -- and I think

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we've seen this over the last couple of months
-- we have to create 100,000 to 150,000 jobs

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a month just to keep that unemployment rate
at -- roughly keep that unemployment rate

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steady. As the economy begins to pick up,
that will also put increased pressure as we

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do begin to add jobs because more and more
people -- in addition to that, just the sheer

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population growth -- but more and more people
that had stopped looking for work will enter

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into the process of looking for work. So it
is going to take quite some time to bring

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down the unemployment rate and to -- particularly
to add the number of jobs that we've lost.

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Again, I don't think anybody is -- I don't
think anybody looks at this in any way other

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than in a realistic way. We have more than
7 million fewer jobs now than we did when

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this recession began in December of 2007.
So it's going to take quite a long time to

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fill that hole. Yes, sir.

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The Press:
Robert, two questions, first on China and

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on the budget. What's the White House's reaction
to China's reaction to the decision to sell

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arms to Taiwan? Are you concerned about it?
Are you concerned about how or whether this

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will hurt the U.S.-China relationship?

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Mr. Gibbs:
We discussed many of the things that -- we

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discussed each and every aspect of our relationship
with China when we met in China in November,

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including arms sales to Taiwan. The President
was asked this in a town hall meeting also

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in front of the Chinese people. We have always
said that we want the type of relationship

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where we're working together on important
issues of mutual concern -- the global economic

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recovery, our concerns about proliferation
-- but when we have disagreements, we'll

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do so -- we'll voice those disagreements out
in the open in public. I think that's the

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type of relationship we've had with China
during this administration and one that we'll

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continue to have.

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The Press:
Well, they certainly voiced their disagreements.

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They're threatening to impose sanctions on
U.S. companies. Is that something that the

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White House is concerned about?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, again, I don't -- I think our reaction

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to that would -- that would not be warranted.
Again, this was something that was discussed

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with them when we met in November. And I'll
say this -- again, we want to work on issues

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of mutual concern. I don't think that either
country can afford to simply walk away from

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the other. That's not what we would do, and
I don't think that's what anybody expects

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them to do either.

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The Press:
What do you mean by not -- a reaction wouldn't

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be warranted?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Their reaction, in terms of sanctions.

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The Press:
Was overblown?

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Mr. Gibbs:
No, no, I'm saying my reaction to that is

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I don't think those would be
warranted, given what we've know.

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The Press:
All right. And my quick question on the budget

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is a political one. What do you think your
chances are of getting this budget passed

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by Congress?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, look, I think the President had a productive

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session with House Republicans on Friday.
I think the American people expect both political

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parties to work together to get things moved
forward. So we're obviously optimistic that

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we can get a budget passed. It's an election
year, and we all understand the games that

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Washington plays in an election year. But
I hope that this will be a budget that will

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be taken up and passed. If people have disagreements
about the priorities that the President has

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laid out, I think this is a perfect time for
them to roll out and talk about what their

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proposals are. I think the times are too important
to simply lob a statement or email out a statement

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about what you think is wrong. Get into the
arena and propose a series of ideas in which

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you think are better, in terms of funding
the investments that we need to make to move

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our economy forward, to build that new foundation,
and to take care of the future. Jake.

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The Press:
The President's executive order creating a

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bipartisan commission to look at debt reduction,
why is it needed -- considering the fact that

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Democrats control the House,
Senate, and the White House?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, it's needed, because I think if you

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look at the budget documents, we're going
to get somewhere slightly above 3 percent

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of our GDP taken up in our budget deficit.
And I think most people would say 3 percent

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is about where you need to be. And it's going
to take some tough decisions to close those gaps.

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The Press:
But why are the President and substantial

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majorities of Democrats in the House and
Senate not capable of those tough decisions?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Because we understand, Jake, that unless you

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get 60 votes in this environment, you can't
make those determinations. Let's use -- in

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one particular instance, the debt commission
itself. This was a legislative proposal --

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and I'm sure many of you have heard me do
this -- introduced in December, a bipartisan

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proposal by Senator Judd Gregg, Senator Conrad
-- one a Republican, one a Democrat -- that

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enjoyed pretty broad bipartisan support. Normally,
50 votes would carry the day. This proposal

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got 53 votes when it needed 60. Seven cosponsors
of the legislation ultimately voted against

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the legislation. So you need 60 votes in
this environment to get something done.

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The Press:
Democrats have 60 votes.

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Mr. Gibbs:
No. I think very soon we're not going to have

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60 votes.

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The Press:
But when you had that vote on the debt commission,

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you did have 60 votes.

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Mr. Gibbs:
We did have 60 votes, but we didn't get the

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60 votes we needed. We lost seven Republicans
that supported the bill. Look, some Democrats

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don't support it. I get that. If we would
have simply gotten all of the people that

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either voted for it or said they supported
it, we would have gotten far more than 60

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votes. Mitch McConnell, who I had the pleasure
of sharing a Sunday show with, had supported

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this two months ago -- except
when it came time to vote on it.

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The Press:
I guess my larger question is, aren't these

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the tough decisions that the President and
members of Congress were elected to make?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Absolutely. But, Jake, we're -- one party

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is not going to solve these -- not going to
solve all these problems. One party is not

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going to make --

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The Press:
Why not? Why is one party not capable --

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Mr. Gibbs:
Because of the --

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The Press:
-- when one party controls the House, Senate

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and the White House?

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Mr. Gibbs:
No, no, no, no, no -- welcome to Washington.

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One party is not going to get -- one party
is not going to be able to solve all these.

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The American people want both parties to work
together to solve these. We can make those

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tough decisions if people are
willing to work together to do that.

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The Press:
Was that your message in October?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Which one?

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The Press:
The one you just said to Jake.

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, it was kind of long. What was --

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The Press:
No, but both parties are here -- wouldn't

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you be making the case that you'd
want Democrats to get elected?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I'm going to vote for a Democrat in November.

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But, Chuck, the American people want -- today
is an election day, okay? Go back to what

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the President said: If every day is election
day, then I can assure you we'll never solve

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any of the big problems.

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The Press:
But you're making --

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, hold on -- no, no, let me just finish

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the sentence. Chuck interrupted your time.
Every day is not election day, Chuck. We have

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elections -- sometimes we have special elections,
but we have elections every two years for

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Congress. If every day is election day, we're
never going to solve our problems, because

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everybody is going to be too busy not trying
to save somebody else's job but trying to

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save theirs. The American people want Democrats
and Republicans in government that represent

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them to work together to solve their problems.

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The Press:
You're making my point. The point is that

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Democrats control the House, the Senate, and
the White House. Why are you guys not capable

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of making these tough --

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Mr. Gibbs:
Jake, because --

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The Press:
Are you just saying that -- because it seems

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to me you're making the argument that, essentially,
underneath it all is, right, Democrats --

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these are going to require very tough decisions
and the Democratic Party is not going to do

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it by itself because we're not going
to go down and lose our jobs --

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Mr. Gibbs:
No, no, no --

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The Press:
-- without Republicans holding our hands.

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Mr. Gibbs:
Jake, there's not uniform consensus in one

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party about how to do it. I think that's been
pretty clear about health care. Lord knows

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we've talked a lot about internal --

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The Press:
-- willing to do health care, but just Democrats?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Hold on, let me just -- let me finish the

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question. We are going to have to make tough
decisions, but in order to get this passed

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we're going to need both parties to work together.
If you think one party can do it all, you

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know, I think there are examples not just
from the past year but over the past many

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years that altogether that's not going to
work. Jake, just because you're not in the

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majority doesn't mean you don't have an obligation
to help solve the problems of this country.

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That's the message that the President had
on Friday to the House Republicans. That's

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the message that the President ran on. Even
though the President runs as a Democrat, that

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doesn't mean that we're not going to work
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If that were the case, Chuck, we'd have elections,
and then one party would just go about solving

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everything; the other party wouldn't even
have to show up to work until it was time

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to have the next election. It may
sound like a great idea, but --

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The Press:
You're making an argument for legislating

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-- I mean, you're making the argument for
legislating, not for a commission that a lot

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of people say is a copout.

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, I don't think the commission is a copout.

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The Press:
Well, it's not legislatively binding. And

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you don't have Boehner and
McConnell signed off on it yet.

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, it was such a good idea that they supported

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it a few weeks ago. I don't -- Jake, you can
ask them what happened. You can ask Mitch

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McConnell why sitting on the very same show
he was on yesterday when he supported the

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Conrad-Gregg commission -- when it came for
a vote he didn't support it. I don't know

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the answer to that. It's a fascinatingly good
question. But we are going to have to work

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together to solve these problems. It's not
going to be one person or one party that solves

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them. I don't think it's a copout, because
what the President will propose is that Democrats

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and Republicans should work together to agree
on proposals that he believes should be voted

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on. Understand that the legislation that failed
would have required that the recommendations

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that that commission came up with be voted
on by the House and the Senate, like a base

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closure commission.

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The Press:
Right, and this executive order will not do

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that, because it cannot do that.

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Mr. Gibbs:
The executive order will ask that based on

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the number of people that are chosen to serve
on the commission -- some by Democrats, some

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by Republicans -- that a certain number of
people agree in order for the recommendation

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to be voted on by Congress. But, Jake, the
power -- it is interesting that -- I think

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we've heard from some quarters that Republicans
just may not appoint anybody. Well, tell me

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how you're going to solve the big problems
of this country if in a very polarized country

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one political party is not going to join in working
on that. It's just -- it's not going to happen.

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The Press:
I'm not going to -- and it's the last question

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I have on this, and I'm sorry, but I'm not
going to challenge the notion that the other

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party may be behaving cravenly in this instance
and with the vote that you're talking about.

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But isn't the whole point of being President
and controlling the House and Senate to man

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up and make these tough decisions --

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Mr. Gibbs:
Yes, absolutely.

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The Press:
-- whether or not it costs you at the ballot

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box in November?

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Mr. Gibbs:
We're not -- the commission --

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The Press:
You are -- you're saying, we're not going

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to do it unless we have
sign off from the Republicans.

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Mr. Gibbs:
No, no, no. We're not going to make progress

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unless we have sign off from the Republicans.
But again, Jake, there's not unanimity in

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one party on either way forward. Again, this
President has instituted spending costs last

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year nobody thought we were going to get,
including killing an F-22 program at the Pentagon.

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We've outlined a series of cuts this year.
We've taken on the cost of health care and

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how it affects the federal budget.
We've got some skin in the game, Jake.

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The Press:
But the President, in his remarks this morning,

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talked about how some of the cuts were painful.
What was the most difficult thing for the

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economic team and the President
to leave out of the budget?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I would have to talk to those guys in terms

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of what -- I was not in every one of the meetings.

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The Press:
But the President didn't express that there

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was something that he really would have rather
had, but in the end they took it out?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Look, I think there are -- I have not heard

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him talk in particular. I mean, obviously
there are -- budgets have to be a list of

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your priorities. And in tough economic times
you can't afford everything. Look, one of

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the easier things to do, going -- again, let's
go back to what had happened for a while,

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one thing would be to propose a series of
new spending and not have to pay for any of

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it. That's sort of what got us into this mess.

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The Press:
Can you talk a little bit about the process?

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Was there sort of a one team trying to make
a case to keep something in the budget? What

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was going on behind the scenes to
settle these cuts and these increases?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, look, obviously when the President and

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Peter and the economic team decided on freezing
non-security discretionary spending, there's

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no doubt that there were Cabinet officials
that wanted to preserve certain things that

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mathematically just couldn't be preserved,
or to take things out that they felt like

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weren't something that they would have left
in. So, obviously, there was some give and

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take on that, but the larger numbers have been
locked for quite some time. And the President

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obviously was in meetings on
some of this back and forth.

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The Press:
And as the President goes to New Hampshire

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tomorrow, what's the real goal there? There's
still a lot of frustration about the pace

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of job creation. What does the
President hope to accomplish?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, the President will have a town hall

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meeting, but outline a proposal that he talked
about in the State of the Union to increase

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small business lending through community banks.
That will be specifically what he talks about.

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Look, I think in many ways we've -- the President
gets letters from, we've heard from small

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businesses across the country that want to
expand, that need a loan to make payroll.

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We want to ensure that for those that want
to add jobs, for those that want to start

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a small business, that they
have the capital to do so. Chip.

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The Press:
Following up on the commission, can you understand,

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though, the skepticism of people who look
at this budget and say there really isn't

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a lot of specific cutting going on here, we're
going to rely on this blue ribbon panel down

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the road, and don't you think the average
American is going to say you're kicking the

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can down the road here?

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Mr. Gibbs:
No, no, Chip -- Chip, I think if you look

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at what the budget does over the next several
years in going back down to a percent of GDP,

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you'll understand that these are not decisions
that are not being made. Secondly --

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The Press:
But you are relying very heavily on what this

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panel would do in order
to bring deficits back.

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Mr. Gibbs:
No, I don't think it's relying very heavily,

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but I think it's -- is there any doubt that
we're going to need consensus to make some

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important changes? The answer
to that quite clearly is yes.

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The Press:
And following up on Jake's question, the idea

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that -- I mean, you were certainly willing
to have Democrats alone, or pick off a Republican

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if you needed one, push through on something
as important as health care reform. Why not

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use your domination of the elected
government to push through --

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, Chip, again -- I mean, I think I answered

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this with Jake.

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The Press:
-- deficits, deficit cutting?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, again, we took on the cost of health

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care, which is a big driver in our federal
budget deficit over the past year in the health

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care reform. We've taken on some of those
fights. But, Chip, there's no doubt that we're

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not going to get all the way that we need
to unless or until we get two parties working

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together as the American people envision their
government working. I don't think it's --

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right now there seems to be some blowback
on whether or not the other side will even

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appoint members to a commission. I think if
you're serious about talking about deficit

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reduction, appointing members, quite
frankly, is the least you can do.

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The Press:
I mean, why would they appoint? If they voted

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it down in Congress, why would you think they
even might appoint members to a commission?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Why wouldn't they?

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The Press:
They already voted against it.

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Mr. Gibbs:
No, 53 people voted for it.

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The Press:
You know that the key Republicans are not for it.

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, then I guess they'll get to explain

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to the American people
what they're going to do --

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The Press:
Well, then you're just playing
politics, you're not --

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Mr. Gibbs:
No, wait a minute -- (laughter) --

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The Press:
If you're saying, "We know we're not going

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to get it" because the Republican
aren't going to --

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Mr. Gibbs:
We're appointing members.

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The Press:
What good is it if they --

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Mr. Gibbs:
Let's take a walk a bit for a second on playing

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politics, okay? There's a proposal, one by
-- by Republican and Democrat, to set up

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a commission -- let me just do this -- right?
It needed 60 votes. It got 53. Seven people

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that said they supported it in December voted
against it. Now, I'll let your definition

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of whether or not that's playing politics
-- we'll just leave that aside. If you can't

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set this up legislatively, then the President
will, through executive order. And he'll appoint

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members on his side on this commission. Now,
if you won't appoint members, I'll leave that

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aside whether you think that's playing politics
with the issue. But at some point, Chip, you

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have to get in the game. At some point you
have to have a series of ideas on how to do

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this. This is -- regardless of who wins elections,
everybody that's sworn into Congress and everybody

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that serves in the executive branch has an
obligation to solve problems and make it work

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for the American people. Not supporting something
that you did two months ago, or a month ago;

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not appointing members simply out of obstinance
-- if that's not playing political games,

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then I don't know what the
definition, Chip, would look like.

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The Press:
Well, I think you're right. It is. But aren't

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you doing the same thing by then harping on
it rather than moving on to something that

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you could actually try to pass legislatively?

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Mr. Gibbs:
No, the President -- we tried to pass it legislatively.

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The President lent his support
to what Democrats and Republicans --

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The Press:
No, I mean actual cuts, not the commission.

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If the commission is not going
to work, why not just move on?

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Mr. Gibbs:
We outlined in the budget some specific cuts,

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and I think if you look at over the course
of the next several years -- look, we didn't

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get into this budget problem and deficits
overnight. If you look at the graph of where

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budget deficits go over the next three or
four years, you'll see that on a decidedly

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downward trajectory, to get the rest of the
way the President first asked Congress to

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pass a legislative commission, despite getting
53 votes and having seven people that supported

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a month ago walk away. The President is going
to do this through executive committee and

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hopes that the Republicans will take
part in the exercise of governing.

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The Press:
Two quick questions. Have you ruled out Abdulmutallab

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being treated as an enemy combatant?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Look, I want to say -- I'll say this. Having

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been in a series of meetings about this over
the past many days, decisions that are being

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reported as having been made have not been
made. There's no doubt that a city like New

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York has serious security and logistical concerns
about a trial, and those can, should and will

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be taken into account. The President, Chuck,
believes that the forum that the Attorney

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General decided that these trials be held
in are the best way to deal with Khalid Sheikh

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Mohammed and others.

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The Press:
My question was about the Christmas bomber,

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though, Abdulmutallab. I'm sorry.

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Mr. Gibbs:
Oh, I'm sorry.

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The Press:
No, it's okay. I mean --

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Mr. Gibbs:
Have we ruled him out as --

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The Press:
As treating him as an enemy combatant. Because

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it's possible you could still --
that has been done in previous --

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Mr. Gibbs:
That certainly was done with JosÊ Padilla

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and Al-Marri were indicted -- transferred
and indicted -- look, I think that very experienced

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interrogators at the FBI made decisions about
interrogation, and the Department of Justice

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made determinations to seek an indictment, and the
President believes that's the appropriate place.

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The Press:
So that means the administration is satisfied

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there's no more intelligence to
be gained from Abdulmutallab?

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Mr. Gibbs:
The White House is satisfied that the process

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of gaining that intelligence is working.

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The Press:
And was the CIA -- I mean, there was a report

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this morning, I think it was in the LA Times
-- was the CIA and the DNI asked for their

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input on the decision before he
was indicted, or was it just --

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Mr. Gibbs:
Let me say this, and I want to be clear on

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this. When -- I forget the exact day but I
can look it up -- when the President held

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a Situation Room meeting to go over the failures
of the Christmas Day bombing -- I believe

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this was on a Tuesday,
because we then were --

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The Press:
This was the 4th or 5th, right? When he came

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back -- a big meeting when he came back.

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Mr. Gibbs:
This was -- right -- I think it must have

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been the 5th, it was on a Tuesday. In that
meeting were the President, the Vice President,

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the Attorney General, the Secretary of Defense,
the Director of the National Counterterrorism

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Center, the Director of National Intelligence,
the Director of the CIA. I don't know who

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else I've forgotten. Whoever that roster was
-- the Director of the Federal Bureau of

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Investigation. All those people were present
in a meeting where the Attorney General said

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that in the next day Mr. Abdulmutallab
would be indicted for his crimes.

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The Press:
Are you saying there was no debate around

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that table on this topic --

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Mr. Gibbs:
I will say that anybody that wanted or needed

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to register their concern, the notion that
somehow a forum wasn't readily available

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to register anybody's concern doesn't certainly
comport the way I understand events, having

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been in the room watching those present have an
opportunity to ask questions about those procedures.

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The Press:
Did the President and First Lady vote tomorrow?

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Mr. Gibbs:
They I believe both voted by absentee ballot.

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The Press:
They've already voted?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Yes.

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The Press:
Just to go back to your initial response to

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Chuck's question when you talked about New
York, are you saying that there has been no

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decision yet, no formal decision to --

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Mr. Gibbs:
I am.

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The Press:
-- to take it out of New York?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I am.

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The Press:
Now on this New Hampshire trip tomorrow, along

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with the community bank theme, to what extent
is this a "take the budget on the road" event?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, look, I think obviously there will be

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certain questions on it and have an opportunity
to talk about it. Our focus tomorrow is --

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the proposal the President will talk specifically
about at the town hall is the effort for increased

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lending through community banks
directly to small businesses.

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The Press:
And going back to the Friday event with the

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Republicans, is there any follow up to that?
Do you think he'll talk to Senate Republicans

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at some point? What other
things along those lines --

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Mr. Gibbs:
I believe we have been invited to speak to

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the Senate Republicans, and we will do so.
Look, I think the President had -- I think

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the President enjoyed the give and take on
these issues of importance. You guys seemed

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to think it was a worthwhile endeavor. And
I think opportunities like this for both sides

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are important to talk through our ideas. I
honestly believe, and I know the President

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believes this and said as much on Friday,
that it may be very rare that everybody in

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Congress -- 535 members -- and the President
agree on every single word in a bill. But

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there ought to be enough that we can agree
on in a piece of legislation that can garner

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strong bipartisan support to solve the
problems that the American people have.

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The Press:
Would you insist that the Senate -- if you

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do it with the Republicans in the Senate, that
it also would be available for live coverage

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the way this was?

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Mr. Gibbs:
We were -- we asked that it be open on Friday

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and I wouldn't have any problem with it being
open if we spoke to the Senate Republicans

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too. But let me say, look, I think the two
biggest things that are on people's minds

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in this country are creating jobs and two
parties working together. And I think there's

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no better opportunity to show the American
people that we're serious about their priorities

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than to work together on getting a jobs bill
passed -- one that cuts taxes on small business,

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one that increases our investment in infrastructure
to create jobs. I think we can show the American

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people that we hear their anger and frustration
and demonstrate it in a way that moves the

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process forward by working together.

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The Press:
On the non-security discretionary spending,

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on one of the calls last night, I think Orszag
kind of hinted at a veto threat. And I just

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wanted to get your take on that. When these
appropriations bills wend their way through

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Congress and they don't adhere to
that freeze, will the President --

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Mr. Gibbs:
Let me go back and see what Peter said on

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the call. I know that the President spoke
broadly about ensuring that we had, through

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the course of this, a non-security discretionary
freeze and the President is serious.

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The Press:
I think Peter was answering a question about

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whether or not the President would veto the
budget. So I think that it got kind of garbled

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because he --

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Mr. Gibbs:
Oh, I see --

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The Press:
-- well, because it won't go to him, but then

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it went back and forth until
line-item veto and whatnot.

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Mr. Gibbs:
Again, on Friday I think Congressman Ryan

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presented a proposal for a line-item veto
that I think the President would be anxious

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to look at.

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The Press:
But, I mean, your chance for you to rule out

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veto threats on non-security --

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Mr. Gibbs:
I wouldn't in any way rule that out, no. Yes, sir.

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The Press:
Peter Orszag and Dr. Romer were very cautious

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to couch the President's economic assumptions
as in the middle of what private economists

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predict, and yet you're basing about $10 billion
a year of your projected savings on passage

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of a health reform bill that is at least in question
right now. On what do you base your optimism?

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Mr. Gibbs:
We're one vote away from getting health care

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reform. We think it's good policy. And, Wendell,
we -- I hazard to guess what your question

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would be if we didn't take into account any
of that in what our budget was. The President

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has said we should be realistic about what
our assumptions are, but also assume -- if

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we're going to propose something, I don't
think it makes much sense to not assume that

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it should be in the budget. Again, some of
that got us into this mess, right? We had

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troops in Iraq. We had troops in Afghanistan.
But we weren't paying for that on budget.

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I mean, that's certainly one way to look at
how you do a budget -- is to have our brave

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men and women fighting half a world away,
but pretend that we're not paying for it by

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not putting it in the budget. The President
made certain policy assumptions and added

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those into the budget.

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The Press:
On another budget matter, Republicans have

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criticized the stimulus bill as containing
too much government spending, not enough tax

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cuts and specifically tax cuts for small businesses,
which you seem to be erasing now in this second

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jobs proposal. Were they right all along?

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Mr. Gibbs:
No, look, there's -- I can get a list of the

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specific taxes that we cut. Understand this,
when we cut taxes for 95 percent of working

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Americans in this country, a whole host of --

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The Press:
But they said cutting taxes for small businesses

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would create more jobs faster, and
that's what you're proposing now.

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Mr. Gibbs:
How about we do this: How about if I agree

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that cutting taxes on small businesses has
the opportunity to create an environment to

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create jobs? If they agree with me, I got
an idea. Let's have those two ideas meet in

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the House and the Senate. The President has
put forward a plan to cut taxes on small businesses

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for a tax credit for additional hiring. What
better message to send to the American people

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than both parties getting that to the President's
desk so that small business in this country

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can start hiring and getting a tax credit?
What better way to show them than, as the

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President will do tomorrow, let's take $30
billion that the big banks have paid back

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through TARP, and give that money to community
banks to lend a small business? That would

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be another great idea. Let's reward small
business by increasing our infrastructure

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spending, laying a new foundation for an economy
for the future, building the highways and

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bridges and railways of tomorrow. That should
have bipartisan support. All three of those

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things, Wendell, we ought to be able to do
pretty quickly with bipartisan support because

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we're all on the same page. We just solved
half our problems, Wendell, and that was great.

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The Press:
Tomorrow Secretary Gates and Admiral Mullen

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are up on the Hill testifying. What does the President
hope comes out of the hearing? And will we be hearing

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from the President on the subject between
now and then -- or tomorrow sometime?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Look, if the President gets asked a question,

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I don't anticipate a statement other than
what he said in the State of the Union. Scott,

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we'll have more on this later in the day on
what we anticipate will be in their testimony.

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But I think you'll hear a frank discussion
about the President's proposal to overturn

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this, and the support that it has to do so. I
don't want to get ahead of where their testimony

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is and the different aspects
of what's involved. Jeff.

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The Press:
May I follow on that?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I'll come back. Hold on.

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The Press:
Okay.

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The Press:
As you know, on Sunday is Super Bowl. A year

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ago on Sunday the President had a bipartisan
Super Bowl party here, too, sort of a kickoff

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to the year. It didn't go so well. What did
he learn from things that he can do now --

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(laughter)

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Mr. Gibbs:
I thought it was going to be a Super Bowl question.

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(laughter)

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That seems patently unfair to --

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The Press:
What does he think that he can do differently

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to engage with Republicans this year?
Substantively, after the Friday's thing --

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Mr. Gibbs:
Not invite Steelers fans, not invite -- no,

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I'm kidding.

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(laughter)

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Look, I think -- look, I think that the President
certainly was under no illusion that having

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members of both parties here to watch a football
game was somehow going to wipe away years

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of rhetoric and mistrust. I think instead
of -- and I'm sure there will be Republicans

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and Democrats that will come to the White
House this year to watch the Super Bowl, but

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I think activities like the President did
on Friday, exchanging ideas -- you heard him

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talk about the desire to sit down and work
together on these issues. I just mentioned

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a series of issues around the economy. Our
problems are big and only by addressing them

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together are we going to be able to move forward.
I think the President wants to hear Republican

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ideas on how to get the economy moving and
how to stimulate job creation. I think there's

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-- I think there has to be a series of give
and take, there have to be a series of meetings,

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but I also think we have to understand, as
I said earlier, if one side, either Democrat

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or Republican, is looking for a hundred percent
of all of its ideas to carry the day on either

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side, that's not necessarily ever going to
work. If -- again, if you've -- to take Wendell's

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tax example, the recovery plan had about $300
billion in tax relief -- $70 billion for wiping

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out the alternative minimum tax, which if
somebody would have posed two years ago that

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I can envision in the future Republicans opposing
doing away with the alternative minimum tax,

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I think people would have thought you were
crazy. But we may not get a hundred percent

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agreement on every idea, but we certainly
ought to be able to agree on most of what

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needs to be done and at least look for ideas
and legislation that can move the process

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forward. Again, even if you don't get all
of what you want, you can get enough of what

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you want and enough of what your constituents
need on something like jobs to make a big difference.

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The Press:
For this to continue will Republicans have

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to vote for at least some of his proposals?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, look, I don't think they're going to

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be his proposals, they're going to be our
proposals. They're going to be -- look, Jeff,

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if people have a concept for a tax credit
for creating jobs, we're certainly -- as you

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heard the President say on Friday, he's ready,
willing and able to look at it. But I don't

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think the President is ready, though, Jeff,
that if you don't agree with everything that

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he does that you have to agree with everything
that they do in order for that to garner some

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series of bipartisanship. If that's the test I
think that's not a healthy standard to try and meet.

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The Press:
Was there one thing on Friday that he was

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really struck by that he said that
he would embrace, or intrigued by?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, look, I think specifically when Congressman

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Ryan mentioned a line-item -- I haven't
met many Presidents, but I daresay I doubt

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there are many that would miss
the opportunity to use that.

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The Press:
Robert, just two -- just two questions.

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Mr. Gibbs:
I like how he always goes like this.

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The Press:
Just two. That's all. There have been news

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reports that the President's nominee for EEOC
commissioner, Chai Feldblum, and the ACLU

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support the acceptance of polygamy. Does the
President believe our armed forces should

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begin recruiting polygamists?

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The Press:
Say yes.

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(laughter)

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The Press:
Yes.

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Mr. Gibbs:
I'm happy to look at the information in the

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news reports you cite, but I
don't have anything on that.

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The Press:
All right. Last June, Newsweek's editor, Evan

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Thomas, on MSNBC, said the President is "sort
of God." Last week on MSNBC, Chris Matthews

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said the President is "post-racial. I forgot
he was black tonight for an hour." What is

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the President's reaction to
these two MSNBC revelations?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Smartly, the President does not occupy his

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time watching cable television.

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The Press:
Oooh!

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(laughter)

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The Press:
Robert, do you think it made it more difficult

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for Sheikh Mohammed to get a fair trial with
the comments you made yesterday and the fact

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that he would be -- why not?

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Mr. Gibbs:
No, because I daresay, Ann, we wouldn't go

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to trial and indict him if we didn't feel like
we had a case that would lead to a conviction.

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And I think -- I don't have any problem saying
that I think that conviction would lead to

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the death sentence.

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The Press:
And he would be in a civilian trial, with

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the same kind of protections other defendants
would get, including innocent until proven guilty?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Absolutely.

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The Press:
And do you believe that the President still

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is insisting on civilian trials, even though
a growing number on Capitol Hill are saying

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they would stop the money
for those civilian trials?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, look, I think the President believes,

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particularly if you look at the southern district
of New York, you've got experienced prosecutors

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at bringing these cases, experienced judges
at hearing these cases. We've all seen cases

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that have gone through that system and ended
in the conviction of those that committed

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terrorism. And I go back to two of the bigger
examples over the past many years: Richard

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Reid, who tried to blow up a plane over the
Atlantic, in an operation masterminded and

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financed by Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, was brought
to justice in a courtroom in Boston; Zacarias

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Moussaoui, the 20th hijacker, was brought
to justice in a courtroom about 10 miles from

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where I stand and you sit, heralded by the
former mayor of New York's reverence for our

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justice system, after having testified in
that trial. I do see now that you have some

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members of Congress rethinking their, what
appears to be, more than eight years support

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of that type of justice in the short term
and what I think is a continuation of the

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type of games that people in this
country are tired of. Yes, sir.

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The Press:
Thank you, Robert. Two brief questions. First,

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the President was widely praised for the tone
that he had with the Republicans, of conciliation

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and conviviality. On the
other hand, one of his --

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Mr. Gibbs:
Bill, look it up for me.

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(laughter)

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The Press:
-- major supporters, Andy Stern, of the SEIU,

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has used some very strong language about Republicans,
of one who opposed health care reform, at

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one point liking them to terrorists. Is that
the kind of talk the President associates

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with or repudiates?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I have said this many times in this room about

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different policy debates. Nobody should be
compared to people that -- to the people that

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have sought to do the world harm through terrorism.
Nobody should be compared to Nazis. I think

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in the heat of these debates people tend to
get overexcited on both sides of the political

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spectrum, in both parties, and I think that
those types of comments on either side make

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no sense. Let me take a couple more since
I know these guys are -- yes, and then I'll

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come back here.

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The Press:
Robert, in his speech last week, the President

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mentioned immigration passing, but didn't
go into detail. That obviously disappointed

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some immigrant rights advocates who were hoping
he'd throw his weight behind a comprehensive

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bill that would include legalization. So my
question is, if this is such a priority for

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him this year, why not go stake
out a specific position and --

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, look, I think the President's position

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on immigration reform and what he supports
is enormously clear. He campaigned on it.

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He worked on legislation that I think is quite
similar to what would come up this year in

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the House or the Senate with people like John
McCain and Lindsey Graham in 2005 and 2006

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in the Senate. Like climate change, there
are bipartisan efforts that are ongoing to

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bring legislation like this to the fore and
to create bipartisan majorities to get it

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passed. The President hosted a meeting here
not too long ago to keep that process going,

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and we look forward to taking part in it.

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The Press:
So I understand you don't want to get ahead

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of the testimony of Secretary Gates and Admiral
Mullen, but on "don't ask, don't tell," does

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the President envision a dual track for repeal
where there's some alteration of the regulations

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within the Pentagon going on at the same time
that they're pushing for congressional repeal?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Give me a few hours -- (laughter) -- and I think --

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The Press:
Are you going to get back to me personally?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I will. I think you'll see efforts on a number

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of fronts over the course of the next many
months that will be outlined by Secretary

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Gates, outlined by Admiral Mullen, the chair
of the Joint Chiefs, to address what the President

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promised -- again, dating back to his Senate
campaign in 2003 and 2004 -- to seek the overturning

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of "don't ask, don't tell" a number
of different ways. Thanks, guys.