Template talk:PD-US-not renewed

Worldwide??

Why would this apply worldwide? I don't think that's true. First, the U.S. joined the UCC on September 15, 1955, and secondly, the U.S. has had many bilateral copyright treaties with other countries even before that. As a result, many works that are in the public domain in the U.S. due to a failure to renew the copyright are indeed copyrighted elsewhere as most other countries do not and did not have such a two-term-with-renewal copyright. Note that the "shorter term" provisions in the UCC are all optional; and that the UCC does not preempt earlier bilateral agreements. Lupo 09:59, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

It might be true for countries that do follow the rule of the shorter term. Alas, that's not worldwide. Lupo 13:28, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

As Macao honors the rule of the shorter term pursuant to Article 51 of its Decree-Law n.o 43/99/M, I have amended this template to show that this template does not apply to China except Macao. Apparently Hong Kong and Taiwan do not honor the rule of the shorter term.--Jusjih 16:45, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Limitations

This law may eventually apply in the USA because this country was not part at this time of the Berne convention and didn't recognize author's rights. Now USA are part of the convention, even if it is really difficult in the USA to argue about author's rights and to explain they are a principle distinct from copyright. Of course the country has to deal with the period when many works were not there protected unless you didn't forget to declare or renew the copyright (this declaration is by now illegal). But during this same period many artistic works were protected out of the USA by the Berne convention no regard the place it was created or the nationality of the artist. Thus a work made in the USA by a US citizen may loose any protection in its country but remaining protected in another country much more respectful of artists creation'rights.

People should be warned that many countries do not recognize for themselves this part of the US law . In these countries, works are protected and you may even be prosecuted if uploading or editing the picture. Even in countries agreeing the shorter term rule, this term can't be less than 50 years after author's death except for photographic works whose minimal period is 25 years after publication.

As Commons is to apply worldwide and to be the most respecful of author's rights, I suggest not to allow such uploadings so to prevent any trouble unless an individual evidence of public domain in most of the countries in the world is given. --B.navez (talk) 19:42, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Database search

{{Editprotected}} Can you add a link to this database search? --Dodo bird (talk) 01:25, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Why? Last time I looked, that database was for literary works only. It doesn't even cover periodicals, and thus its usefulness for us is limited. Lupo 07:24, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

 Not done. Multichill (talk) 12:43, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

{{editprotected}}

Could somebody add the {{PD-US-not renewed/pt}} in it?Mizunoryu 大熊猫❤小熊猫 (talk) 18:13, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

 Done, thanks. →Nagy 08:45, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Clarification

Perhaps it sounds obvious, but I think this template should remind to provide some source that confirms that the copyrights were not renewed. Unlike with other templates, here dates alone are not enough, and a work can't be labeled with this just because it was published in the time frame from 1923 to 1963. Belgrano (talk) 02:15, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Change first sentence

The first sentence of the template reads:

"This work is in the public domain because it was published in the United States between 1923 and 1963 with a copyright notice, and its copyright was not renewed."

I would like to change it to:

"This work is in the public domain because it was published in the United States between 1923 and 1963 and although there may or may not have been a copyright notice, the copyright was not renewed."

There are many works in the United States (particularly sculpture) which do not have a copyright notice, but we have no easy way of determining that without one of us actually visiting the work. We can, however, check for renewals at the copyright office after 1978, so that we can, on-line, prove that certain works are PD. As it reads now, the template cannot, strictly speaking, be used for works where we don't know whether there is a copyright notice.      Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 11:57, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Dead for several years

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"Several" often means more than "few", but we don't normally use "several" to mean something like 50+ years. Please change "dead for several years" to "dead for a sufficient number of years", and please do the same thing at Template:PD-US-no notice and Template:PD-US-1978-89. 140.182.232.225 15:41, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

The English version of this template, Template:PD-US-not renewed/en, which is where this edit was needed, is not a protected page. I have made the edit to it, but the others.      Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 15:59, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Link dead

{{Edit request}} The link in this template, http://www.copyright.cornell.edu/training/Hirtle_Public_Domain.htm, is 404.Chowbok (talk) 15:56, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

 Done replacement with Commons:Hirtle chart in all languages. Thanks. Rd232 (talk) 14:57, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Suggestion: link pma

{{Edit request}} (Hope I used that correctly. Just copying the user before me!)

I suggest linking the first use of pma to its explanatory article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_mortem_auctoris#Post_mortem_auctoris). Normally I'd suggest spelling the phrase out on first use, but since it's Latin, that wouldn't help many people without also adding an explanation, which might be long for a parenthetical phrase.

Thanks! --Geekdiva (talk) 07:56, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

I came here to make the same request (eight years later). See Template:PD-US-no notice for a template that links the abbreviation correctly. UpdateNerd (talk) 07:22, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

France

France has the rule of the shorter term, but a court ruled that non-renewal doesn't count as an expiration of the term of copyright, in a case about the movie His Girl Friday. It should probably be added to the list of nations here.--Prosfilaes (talk) 07:25, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

A link to the catalog of copyright renewals

{{Edit request}} I often forget where to search for a catalog of copyright renewals when I am verifying whether the copyright was renewed for an old image. And it seems an extensive documentation on copyright renewals is not easily findable (if it even exists), as evident at Commons:Village pump/Copyright/Archive/2020/12#How do I figure out whether a photo has had its copyright renewed? (permalink). I think it would be a lot easier for all of us if we include a link to an accessible catalog of copyright renewals on this template. pandakekok9 02:11, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi pandakekok9! I recently had the exact same thought, and then came here and saw this referring to my own past post haha. I fully concur; I'm adding an edit request tag to this so that it may be actioned. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 01:13, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

@Pandakekok9 and Sdkb: Note that the actual text is stored in {{PD-US-not renewed/en}}, which, unlike the main template, isn’t protected. — ExE Boss (talk) 01:45, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Oh, okay, I went ahead and added it, then. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 18:04, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Change 1927 to 1928

{{Edit request}}

Due to works before 1928 expiring, change 1927 to 1928. See COM:HIRTLE for reference. --Matr1x-101^{Pinging me doesn't hurt!} {user - talk? - useless contributions} 11:50, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

 Not done — The template uses {{Not-PD-US-expired-min-year}} for the date, so the update is automatic, although it may take a bit for the server to update every page that needs to change when the value of {{Not-PD-US-expired-min-year}} changes. —RP88 (talk) 12:25, 1 January 2023 (UTC)