Template talk:Low quality chem

Quality is disputed

I think this template should be reworded. Quality is subjective. Who cares if it's disputed? There's no way to verify who's right. No can be right. But obviously, there's a general consensual agreement on how chemical diagrams should look—certain standards, but this makes it seem like we need to discuss the drawing it on the talk page instead of creating a better version. It's not a problem tag, it's a media cleanup tag. And it shouldn't be orange. It's not that bad (Hosting, it isn't - using it. maybe.) I also think maybe we should bring w:WP:WikiProject Chemistry/Structure drawing here to Commons because linking to a different project's guidelines in a single language isn't ideal. It's a very helpful page and being on Commons would allow for translations and better integration with the system we have here. Rocket000 (talk) 16:21, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Just two comments:

• A similar template exists on en-WP: Template:Low quality chem
• In de-WP, we also have a structure drawing guide with similar recommendations: Wikipedia:Wie erstelle ich Strukturformeln?

--Leyo (talk) 21:52, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Here are some more comments:

• "There's no way to verify who's right." The template is set up to give a detailed reason. If you cannot verify the reason, simply ask somebody more experienced (e.g. the tagger). This directly leads to:
• "Who cares if it's disputed?" Everybody who might use an inappropriate version because he cannot verify the quality himself. That is also the reason why it is orange. The template should bee seen and should prevent users from using poor diagrams that are no longer used.
• "It's not a problem tag, it's a media cleanup tag." Structure diagrams are almost never improved by the original uploader (they might have left the project or lost interest) and it is much faster to create a corrected version from scratch. Therefore, it is essentially a problem tag.
• "I also think maybe we should bring w:WP:WikiProject Chemistry/Structure drawing here" Most if not all structures are created for Wikipedia use and that is where the experts are. I remember some frustration when Commoners bluntly denied that diagrams do actually have something like "content" that could be discussed beyond the superficial aesthetic appearance... Therefore, I think it would be a very bad idea for the Commons to try to start their own structure drawing project.

Cacycle (talk) 01:46, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Then we shouldn't have opinionated templates like this. Let users use what they want. If you still want to force your views on them do it in a gentler way. We respect uploaders here. No one likes their images being called poor quality. Just don't use it if you don't like it. Quality is subjective. You can't argue with that. As I see nothing constructive this template achieves I suggest not using it anymore on Commons. Rocket000(talk) 09:01, 11 August 2008 (UTC) Nevermind, I'm not looking for an argument. Rocket000(talk) 09:10, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Time parameter

Shouldn't the template use a time parameter to check when the template was added instead of only checking the last change? Using the last change makes images having the template even since many years appear not to have an expired low quality chemical template. Alfa-ketosav (talk) 10:17, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Yes, but it more convenient as is. --Leyo 12:03, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Incorrect wikilinks

Recent changes made to this template lead to the display of incorrect wikilinks. For example, at File:Biodiesel Reaction2.gif, the template now has a wrongly formatted link that goes to File talk:Biodiesel Reaction2.gifPlease discuss the issue on this file's talkpage, when I believe it should be a piped link like [[File talk:Biodiesel Reaction2.gif|Please discuss the issue on this file's talkpage]]. Marbletan (talk) 17:12, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

I reverted the incorrect changes for now. --Leyo 19:36, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

I now saw what you mean. It was only visible with english interface and only on files where the server cache was not cleaned for some hours. The error disappears when the cache is cleaned. This can be done with the "purge" parameter like https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Vasopressin.png?action=purge While investigating I started the cache cleaning already. The I stopped it when I realized that the template was reversed. @Leyo please re-reverse. Then I will flush the server cache for the affected files. Kind regards, --Sebastian Wallroth (talk) 19:42, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much for investigating and identifying the issue. I agree that if clearing the server cache addresses the issue, the recent changes can be restored. I spot-checked many of the files with the template and they look good to me now. Marbletan (talk) 19:51, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Okay, I reverted my revert. Please check if it is now all fine. --Leyo 20:47, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Everything looks to good to me know. Thank you. Marbletan (talk) 12:46, 9 May 2024 (UTC)