Talk:BSicon/New icons and icon requests

New Lift Bridge Icons

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Just uploaded  (hLIFTae) and  (uhLIFTae) as different options to represent a lift bridge. Thoughts? Lost on  Belmont ^3200N_1000W  (talk) 18:30, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

These look really good! You mean vertical lift, right? I can see it possibly working for bascule bridges with the line in the middle. Hotdog with ketchup (talk) 20:17, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Originally I was thinking vertical lift, but I’m not sure we need that level of specificity. I had considered a bascule icon with a line in the middle, but this might interfere with border icons. Lost on  Belmont ^3200N_1000W  (talk) 20:48, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Fair point when it comes to specificity. A few things I would add:

The heavy rail and base "u" icons look slightly different, with the "u" icon having more of a square in the middle. If I were to pick between one or the other, I would pick the heavy rail one.

Second, perhaps an icon like   (hLIFT) should be created (like  (hKRZW)) for a moving segment of a long bridge. But I would not bother with "a" or "e" icons, because separate "a(at)f" or "e(at)g" icons could work instead. Hotdog with ketchup (talk) 00:09, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Finally a “moving bridge” icon that makes sense. Please see all the previous discussion at Talk:BSicon/Icon geometry and SVG code neatness/Drawbridges. Looks like we’re heading the right way. -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 00:21, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

I’m familiar with the past discussions on the subject and your comments/approval are the main ones I’m seeking since this has been your quest for the last eleven years. Do you have a preference for either style? Also, what are your thoughts on naming these? Lost on  Belmont ^3200N_1000W  (talk) 01:07, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

My 2 c€:

1. I like  (hLIFTae) much better. Works well with, say,  (hLIFTae※ WASSERq)  or even something unusual like  (hLIFTae※ STRq_saffron)  or  (hLIFTae※ RP4q) .
2. I suppose that this icon could be used to symbolize several types of movable bridges where the “table” changes shape / position in a symmetric way and stays undivided like those in these images at the right), unlike other types (for which something asymmetric like   is more illustrative).
3. The chosen name is already taken by  (uLIFT), so I’d suggest something different, maybe only a small change like LFT. I envisage that this set of new icons will replace all hitherto usage, but I think it’s a bad idea to overwrite existing files instead of uploading anew.
4. Is it a good idea to have variant icons differentiate a working movable bridge from one that is stuck in the closed position? And I mean closed for the waterway traffic (because to show closed for the rail traffic we already have ex). I would suggest something like  (LLSTRae) for the former and the usual  (STR) for the latter.

(It was 4 c€ instead!) -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 02:32, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Adding to my §4 above, a movable bridge that’s not moving anymore could also be simply identified in a diagram with the normal  (hSTRae) icon, leaving  (hLIFTae) for a functional movable bridge. -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 12:42, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

As far as non functioning bridges, I think using  (hSTRae) type icons is the way to go. (Functionally, what is the difference between a bridge that no longer raises and one that never did?) If we need to show that a lifting bridge used to allow passage, we should do something like  (hLIFTae※ lENDE@Fq※ lENDE@Gq)  as it uses existing iconography to explain that the crossing line ends. (I’m imagining smaller ENDE bars for such a scenario.) I don’t think we should use  (LSTR) type icons for the main line/path as this says an interruption of some kind, although I do think it could work for the crossing line using a q version of   passing underneath a bridge. Lost on  Belmont ^3200N_1000W  (talk) 15:09, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

If we need to show functionality of the bridge, we could also make the lifting formation rectangle black. Then we could use the black formation for operating bridges and make it gray for non-operating bridges. Although, now that I think about it, that wouldn't indicate if a closed bridge was locked in the up or down position... Lost on  Belmont ^3200N_1000W  (talk) 22:25, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

I've uploaded  (exLFTx) which I think would be appropriate for an out-of-use lift bridge in the raised position. I've included masking so it can be overlaid onto  (WASSERq) or a canal. Useddenim (talk) 23:51, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

I’m liking these ideas — looks like this is going somewhere good after all this time. (Maybe move this discussion to Talk:BSicon/Icon geometry and SVG code neatness/Drawbridges only when the deed is done, to avoid jinxing it?…) -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 17:41, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

This looks great! The interruption in the line is perfect!

Normally I’m in favor of masks for elevated/bridge icons, but I’m wondering if we want the under layer to show through here to indicate that the water/line/road below passes through unobstructed. Anyone have thoughts on this? Lost on  Belmont ^3200N_1000W  (talk) 00:11, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

I agree. -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 14:44, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Noted; there is now  (exLFTx) and  (exMLFTx). Useddenim (talk) 13:42, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

Oh, I like it! -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 05:04, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

Worth noting that I uploaded  (lLFT) to offer flexibility for the line (e.g.  (lLFT※ tSTR violet※ STR brown※ MSTR※ WASSERq) ). AlphaBeta135talk 23:02, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Filling in "LIN" icons

Hi, I have recently discovered a set of icons meant to identify lines by color, in various shapes ( (kLIN darkblue),  (qLIN darkblue),  (rLIN darkblue) as "u" examples.) I plan to add these in colors where they are still missing, but my question is…what should I call the ones that use the heavy rail color? Base "f" uses forest  (kLIN forest), I plan to use "ground" for base "g", and the rest of them would be their normal suffixes. I've been considering "darkred", but I wanted to reach a broad consensus before making one for the reddish heavy rail color which has no prefix or suffix. I look forward to hearing your feedback! Hotdog with ketchup (talk) 17:22, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

How about Cardinal? It has a Hex triplet of #C41E3A  (HSV: 350°, 85%, 77%), which is pretty close to #BE2D2C  (HSV: 360°, 77%, 75%). Useddenim (talk) 04:56, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

I like that. -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 13:19, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

HST-R orange

Hi (again). I was working on an proyect and I noticed the lack of the  (HST-R orange) icon. Could someone do it please? (For icons like this that are just color changing can I do them myself?, I have Adobe Ilustrator and it's just change the color) Ninonaiz25 (talk) 11:27, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

You can and you should, but if you use Adobe Illustrator you’ll be wasting your time and ours (because someone will have to clean it up enevntually). Use a text editor instead to open, say,  (HST-R_saffron), change the RGB value, save it with the new name and then upload. -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 13:18, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

One-directional BHFs on 90° curve

Morning! I see icons like  (uBHFl(R)2) and  (uBHFr(L)1). Could you add those 5 missing to close the circle in both directions? Thanks. --Fessor (talk) 10:45, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

See my replies to Hotdog with ketchup in #Diagonal vRP2 roads, and User talk:Hotdog with ketchup#Modifying BSicons. Useddenim (talk) 12:17, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

RP3 roads

I would like to request curves, diagonals, and diagonal corners of RP3 roads:

Diagonals:   (RP33+1),   (RP32+4)

Diagonal corners:   (RP3c1),   (RP3c2),   (RP3c3),   (RP3c4)

Curves:   (RP3s+1),   (RP32+n),   (RP33+n),   (RP3s+4),   (RP3w+1),   (RP32+w),   (RP33+e),   (RP3e+4)

They would be useful for three-lane carriageways like freeways/expressways and (sub)urban arterials ("stroads" if you wish). AlphaBeta135talk 16:18, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Parallel mixed continuation arrows

Hi, I'm trying to create a routemap for a line where a bus rapid transit route has been added alongside the railway. I notice that there are no mixed parallel-track continuation arrows in the catalogue.

I'd be looking for  (vCONT2+4) with the lower arrow blue (equivalently,  (uvCONT2+4) with the upper arrow red). I'm still figuring out the naming, so not sure what it would be called! Thank you so much in advance. IgnatiusofLondon (talk) 14:36, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

You can stack two icons to get  . The red one is  (vCONT2+4~l) and the blue one is  (uvCONT2+4~r). Hope this helps. Hotdog with ketchup (talk) 16:52, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much; I really appreciate it! I had no idea :)) IgnatiusofLondon (talk) 01:05, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Tunnel S-curve request

Requesting  (utkkSTR+4) as  (ukkSTR+4) in tunnel for Nanjing Metro line 7 please, thanks!--—and in that light, Fz20181223 find deliverance.— 18:30, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

 Done. Useddenim (talk) 17:23, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Flip icon 90 degrees to be horizontal

Hi! I was wondering if it would be possible to have this icon,  (vRP2BHF), flipped 90 degrees to be horizontal. Thank you! —-OrdinaryScarlett (talk) 08:09, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Sure, it’s  (vRP2BHFq). -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 14:14, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! I unfortunately don't know how to flip it myself, since I'm new to BSicon, so I believe that I'll need some help. --OrdinaryScarlett (talk) 21:54, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Rotating icons is definitely my Achilles' Heel, as I have demonstrated beforehand with another curved road icon, but I looked at your project and I think  (vRP2BHF3+1) could work as a possible substitute. I opened  (vRP2BHF) in the text editor and made no progress. Hopefully the diagonal icon does help. Hotdog with ketchup (talk) 22:47, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Enclose the whole thing in a <g style="transform:rotate(250,250 90)">. It should work for most   (*q) icons. -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 22:54, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

@Tuvalkin: I tried adding that line of code in various orders, and was sure to have </g> near the end, but the result was visually identical to  (vRP2BHF) every time. An attempt was made, but my SVG knowledge still seems to be limited to recoloring and mirroring. Hotdog with ketchup (talk) 02:13, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

@Hotdog with ketchup: I’m sorry, I should have said <g transform="rotate(90 250,250)">. -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 02:39, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Eureka! The fix worked, and  (vRP2BHFq) has been added! (Along with  (vRP2BHF2+4) for good measure.) Thank you! Hotdog with ketchup (talk) 02:58, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much! —-OrdinaryScarlett (talk) 03:30, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Ah, okay. I’ll work on it. -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 22:51, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Convert tunnel(s) to regular icon(s)

Hi! I am unfortunately not proficient enough in BSicon coding, so I will need some help yet again. I don't really need it, but it would be wonderful if someone could convert  (utbvSHI5gr-~L) into  (ubvSHI5gr-~L). Additionally, I think it would be great if the rest of this particular broad set could also be converted into regular icons, even if I don't necessarily need them myself. I think they'll be great for simplifying many route diagram templates. Thank you! --OrdinaryScarlett (talk) 03:41, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

This really could not be easier. Just remove the "stroke-dasharray" and its values, and you'll have solid double lines. Remove the ‎<def>...‎</def> and ‎<mask>...‎</mask> tags, everything in between, and the "mask" in the parameter and it will turn them into full solid lines. That's it. Nothing to add, just remove the stuff making dashes and the double line. And as long as it's a simple hand built icon instead of an inscape SVG with all the extraneous junk in it, it should work on any of those icons you want to adapt. VanIsaac (en.wiki) 08:44, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Ah, I see, thank you so much! --OrdinaryScarlett (talk) 08:50, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Tunnel version of icons

Hi! Can someone help me create the tunnel versions of these icons:  (bSTR),  (vCONTfgaq), and  (vCONTfgeq) by any chance? Thank you! OrdinaryScarlett (talk) 01:54, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Can you send a link to the diagram where you intend to use these? (Also, I think  (bSTR) in particular could be substituted with  (tSTR) sandwiched between  (d) icons.) Hotdog with ketchup (talk) 04:09, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

For  (bSTR), I was trying to use it on the templates for the individual lines for the en:DART Light Rail system, most recently on the one for the DART Blue Line template on the broad bridge over water icons ( (hbKRZW)), specifically to show line overlaps (Blue and Red, etc.), though I can definitely see this being applied across a broad variety of other templates as well. For  (vCONTfgaq) and  (vCONTfgeq), I wanted to use them both on the Houston METRORail Red Line template to show the overlapping Green and Purple lines. OrdinaryScarlett (talk) 07:54, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

@OrdinaryScarlett: For  (hbKRZW), the overlaying problem you mentioned can be solved with  (v-WASSERq)\ (hKRZW)\ (vWASSERq-).  (dWASSERq) also works but does not look as neat, and (in my experience) would only be preferable with diagrams that are 2 icons wide. Hope this helps. Hotdog with ketchup (talk) 04:16, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

@Hotdog with ketchup: Thanks! I guess I don't need to use a broad water crossing icon. The only thing that bugs me are that it wouldn't be possible to overlay with the Dallas Streetcar and road undercrossings without looking good (this goes for all DART Light Rail lines). Oh well, I guess I can't always expect perfection, haha. OrdinaryScarlett (talk) 06:01, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

There's a couple more that I'd like to request by any chance; the tunnel versions for  (bSHI2lr) and  (bSHI2+lr)? I wouldn't mind learning how to make these myself, haha, but yeah I need some help. OrdinaryScarlett (talk) 09:55, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

@OrdinaryScarlett:  (tbSHI2lr) already exists, so I used that to make  (tbSHI2+lr). But now that it has been uploaded, I must confess it looks like something went wrong; I am noticing some asymmetry. Perhaps using  (tBS2l)\ (tBS2r) &  (tBS2+l)\ (tBS2+r) may yield better results. Sorry about that. Hotdog with ketchup (talk) 21:05, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

@OrdinaryScarlett: Unrelated to the shifts, I found  (utvCONTfgaq) and  (utvCONTfgeq) already uploaded. They should only require recoloring and the "u" prefix removed. Hotdog with ketchup (talk) 21:09, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your help for everything! I just feel bad for repeatedly asking since I'm finding out there's more that I need, but these actually should be the last two I need; tunneled versions of  (SPLa.F) and  (SPLe.G). Thanks again! OrdinaryScarlett (talk) 06:50, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

@OrdinaryScarlett: No problem, and don't feel too bad. There was a time when I thought  (CONT1+f orange) was the only new icon I would ever need. I was very wrong. In fact I might even make a request later if I have enough trouble with the text editor. That is just the way things work with these icons. Hotdog with ketchup (talk) 09:53, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, I appreciate it. Funny how you mention this as I just realized that it may possibly be good to have regular and tunneled BHF variants of  (pKHSTe) and  (pKHSTa), haha. This’ll be firmly out of my league for now since I’d imagine it’d be at this point creating them from scratch. OrdinaryScarlett (talk) 10:54, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Four quarters version of five quarters icon

Hi! I was curious if it would be possible to derive a four quarters version of  (ubvSHI5gr-~L), which is a five-quarters icon? Thanks! OrdinaryScarlett (talk) 07:19, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

 (uv-SHI4+l)\ (uv-SHI4gr) will do the trick. Useddenim (talk) 15:35, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

I see, thanks! I had another idea for a potential icon; would it be possible to create an icon with  (htSTRaa) overlayed on top of  (RP4q)? OrdinaryScarlett (talk) 21:10, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

That would be  (htSTRaa※ RP4q)  or maybe  (htSTRaa※ MSTR※ RP4q) . Does it work for you? -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 01:12, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Yeah! I had something like that in mind. Maybe the only thing is that the tunnel portal could be pulled a little more towards the bottom. Thank you so much! OrdinaryScarlett (talk) 02:30, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

 (hPORTALf※ hSTRa@g※ MSTR※ RP4q) . Useddenim (talk) 05:25, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! OrdinaryScarlett (talk) 07:51, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Pontoon / Floating bridge

Hi - I'm looking for an icon for a pontoon bridge / floating bridge. I think I'll use swing bridge for now because it's close enough - unless anyone has a suggestion for a better usage? Timtjtim (talk) 17:47, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

@Timtjtim: Does  (hPTNae) work for you? Useddenim (talk) 21:59, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

@Useddenim: I took the liberty of adding  (hPTNa)  (hPTN)  (hPTNe) for if a long floating bridge is shown in a diagram. Hotdog with ketchup (talk) 03:04, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

I hate to be that guy, but we're also going to need a drawbridge that will integrate with the pontoon BSicons, as several floating bridges in the Seattle area have (or have had) draw spans in the middle. VanIsaac (en.wiki) 06:00, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

single-tile elevated structures around major stations

Just like how  (lhBHFae) provides a single elevated structure around a station starting and ending on one tile, can we get a variant to use with horizontal and diagonal? i.e. able to work with  (BHFq) as well as  (BHF3+1) and  (BHF2+4)? don't know if there's room for the 45º ones, but maybe? -Mjdestroyerofworlds (talk) 21:52, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

@Mjdestroyerofworlds: Are  (lhBHFaeq)  (lhBHF2+4ae)  (lhBHF3+1ae) sufficient or did you mean something else? Hotdog with ketchup (talk) 23:33, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

@Hotdog with ketchup: well done! thanks! Mjdestroyerofworlds (talk) 23:43, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

New half-width road icons

Hello! I was looking for versions of the icons  (dSKRZ-Eo(Rr)) and  (dSKRZ-Eo(Ll)), but using the road style of  (RP4q). Thank you! OrdinaryScarlett (talk) 02:52, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

I am essentially looking for half-width versions of  (SKRZ-G4o(Rr)) and  (SKRZ-G4o(Ll)). OrdinaryScarlett (talk) 19:38, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

@OrdinaryScarlett: If you just want to decrease the gap between the two rail lines, you can do that already by writing d!~SKRZ-G4o(Rr)\SKRZ-G4o(Ll), which squeezes the two icons into the space of one and a half icons. Jc86035 (talk) 08:28, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Ah, I see, thank you! I'm doing this on en:Template:Edmonton LRT and the only trouble I'm having is squeezing it all onto the line with "NAIT/Blatchford Market" and "118 Avenue". OrdinaryScarlett (talk) 19:07, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

I tried doing it in an edit just now and it didn't seem like there was any kind of problem with that. Jc86035 (talk) 19:18, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Ah, thank you so much! OrdinaryScarlett (talk) 22:00, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Horizontal double track stations?

Hi, I need a version of the icon  (uvBHF(R)g-BHF(L)f) rotated 90°. Thanks! Gamingcanary (talk) 05:11, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Would that be clockwise or anti-clockwise? Useddenim (talk) 15:17, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

 (uvBHF(R)g-BHF(L)fq)  done; also  (uvBHF(R)f-BHF(L)gq). Useddenim (talk) 15:51, 8 April 2024 (UTC)