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Mercy11 statement: There are 2 problems with the current flag of Ponce as shown in Commons HERE: (Problem #1) It is in GIF format, it should be in SVG form. (Problem #2) Ponce has 5 flags*, but only 2 of them are generally flown: THIS ONE, with the 1877 year (currently at the Ponce article) and THIS ONE, with the 1692 year. On Flag#1, the "1877" represents the year it was granted "City" status by the Spanish Crown. On Flag#2, the "1692" represents the year it was founded, as a municipality. Since (1) Ponce is more than a city, as it is also a municipality, and (2) since the Municipality is the larger entity, that is, the Municipality includes the city, then the flag associated with Ponce articles should be the one with the 1692 date on it, the date the Municipality (not the city) was founded.
Request: A hi-res .svg file of the 1692 Ponce flag, using THIS as a sample, but in much higher resolution than the file currently at Commons.
(Note: Just for the record: Ponce has 5 official and semi-official flags, but only the 2 above are the ones most commonly flown at public events nowadays. For example, see #1 flag flown HERE, HERE and HERE; and see #2 flag flown HERE, HERE, and HERE) Mercy11 (talk) 03:21, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I agree with the use of the flag with the 1692 year to refer to the entire municipality instead of just the city, but it never hurts to have a .svg version of the other flags, considering that an article or a section can be created about the different flags. The version of the flag that I have in my house is the one with the 1692 year. Yarfpr (talk) 14:20, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Yarfpr: Thanks for the comment. I agree both of them should ideally be created in .svg. Just a bit of info I left out from The Five Flags of Ponce discussion above: the 1877 flag was created, really, to commemorate the 100th anniversay of the town receiving its city charter. The charter was proclaimed in 1877 and the 100th anniversary celebration was, thus, in 1977. That said, since, by 1977, the Ponce Municipal Legislature had neglected to adopt the 1692 flag as the official flag of the municipality, it left the door open for a second flag (the 1877 flag) to "compete" with the 1692 flag in terms of the municipal flag to be flown at events, as that's the story as it stands to this day. (Here at 1:28 is one of the other 3 flags, being flown at the en:1993 Central American and Caribbean Games held in Ponce that year). Mercy11 (talk) 00:20, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Mercy11: Thanks for the IslaCaribePR link. I started looking for information on the municipality's page (VisitPonce) and it says that the official flag since 1977 is the one that commemorates the centenary of the designation as a city. The flag with the 1692 year was the first official version. Basically the information on both links is the same, but that of the municipality clarifies that point that I bring up. I agree that .svg files should be created for both, but not necessarily for the other flags as they don't seem to have official recognition by the municipality. Yarfpr (talk) 03:53, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The Isla Caribe site Here says that neither the 1877 nor the 1692 flag is the official flag ("Ninguna es la oficial."). I am not sure the municipality's historian will agree with that. I don't know. Mercy11 (talk) 02:52, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
However, Ponce historian Neysa Rodriguez Deynes (I still have to draft and upload her WP article/bio) states in "Brevario sobre la Historia de Ponce" (ISBN:0615121810), p. 6, "Ponce ha tenido dos banderas oficiales", and she includes images of them in that page. Howerver, the 1962 flag is a variation of the 1692 flag (the flag that I have already included 3 links above). Neysa's 1692 flag has the lion on the bridge in the upper left hand corner, and the "Ponce" and the "1692" (as 2 lines) in the lower right hand corner. Go figure! Mercy11 (talk) 02:09, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I also agree but the flag is really detailed when it comes to the lion which is a little out of my range of skills. Of course i could try but i am not sure it would be the best. --Cookieman1.1.1 (talk) 12:34, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Cookieman1.1.1: All we can do is try; we can only do, what we can do. In fact, anything of higher resolution than the current 356 × 216, will be an improvement. BTW, it's the same lion as the Ponce COA. Here, in motion, at 00:20, 00:51, and 1:22, is video the 1692 flag. Mercy11 (talk) 00:20, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: There is a lion head here that might work. If you use the lion head you should attribute it to Bayna Türkdoğan. Then just need all the other elements. This doesn't look easy to make!--The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 02:44, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Is this the correct lion? Fig. 280.—Lion rampant and lion statant guardantFig. 302.—Lion statant guardant. or more heraldic lions on A Complete Guide to Heraldry . Even though the lexjuris description says "a pasant lion" the images from this book that look most like the lion on the Ponce flag is not passant but statant guardant (not that I really know what I'm talking about) Just throwing it out there. --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 19:12, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
This .svg - turn him around, close his mouth, and make a few other adjustments .. What do you think? I honestly think it's impossible to do these complex images. Especially, imagine you work on them for a long time and then someone is not happy with the end result? The Lion of Judah is a good .svg but very different from what we need for the Ponce symbols. --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 19:55, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Cookieman1.1.1: , @Yarfpr: , @The Eloquent Peasant: , @AnybodyAndEverybodyElse: None of those lions in the links above are the Ponce lion. In fact, I smiled at some of to suggestions because they were so far off, that Mayita might sue us if we tried any of them! (BTW, the lion head above, by Eloquent, here, I would say comes very very close, but it has no torso, legs and tail.) The good news is that I can recognize the Ponce lion if I saw it.
I might be the best person to locate one for you, no? However, I wouldn't know what I would be looking for from the technical/graphics arts perspective. For example, (1)does it have to be something already in .svg format? (2)Does it have to be of a certain resolution already? (3)Does it have to be PD already or are we saying the a non-PD image will suffice as it will only be used as a basis for drawing a new one? (Also, like any good Ponceño, I have a flag of Ponce at home which I could take a pic of and post to Commons in jpg format, if anyone thinks this could be useful build one of our own.) So, basically, I need some guidance if you guys think that my looking for a Ponce lion could work. BTW, Here is what a pic of my flag will look like, except the resolution will be much, much higher. Mercy11 (talk) 02:12, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hey @The Eloquent Peasant: , @Cookieman1.1.1: , @Yarfpr: , would THIS work? I tested it in a wp article and appeared to display pretty good. My only concern is the shades in the black triangle. Can be eliminated to make the triangle a more homogenous, consistent black? Ditto for the red shades in the red triangle. Of course, the white space below the image needs to be removed; I couldn't figure out how to. Perhaps one of you .svg experts knows how? Any comments on the image as a candidate would be most appreciated, Mercy11 (talk) 05:21, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Mercy11: Thanks for your 1st attempt, but I'm afraid that isn't a real svg because an svg doesn't consist of placing a jpg/png/gif or something similar. That could cause your file to be removed from Commons. In an svg, you work with vectors that allow the image to be modified without affecting its quality. This also allows modifying every detail of the image by creating shapes for each one of them. However, I appreciate you coming up with that 1st attempt because it can help us create the lion without looking for wrong images. It's a bit difficult, but not impossible. Yarfpr (talk) 01:42, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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