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 | This file was nominated for deletion on 6 June 2011 but was kept. If you are thinking about re-nominating it for deletion, please read that discussion first. |
Hi, Rationale added. Per this discussion, the Cable and Wireless form is made up of plain text and shapes so can not be copyright and the rest of the text was filled in by a clerk upon receipt, so just like an ordinary letter, does not obtain any copyright being just plain text too. Sahim (talk) 19:52, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
- I'm afraid the last commenter in that thread was mistaken. Of course, "plain text" and things like "an ordinary letter" also attract copyright. A text is always copyrightable. He was probably mixing up the situation with the one mentioned in {{PD-textlogo}} and similar cases, where the graphical representation of individual words or very short phrases is said to be ineligible. This telegram is far more than just individual words; it's clearly a text and as such somebody's individual creation. It doesn't matter that the text was then copied in somebody else's handwriting as part of the telegraphic transmission. Fut.Perf. ☼ 08:34, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
- As per this discussion and Egyptian Law, the contents of the text are in public domain, because the original source for the text is an official egyptian document and the original author is Abdelnaser. The one who has written the text have just copied a plain text, which is not copyrighted, he has not done anyting special, he has just copied a public domained content word by word. The form itself is also of simple shapes and plain short texts, which are negligible to be copyrighted. Sahim (talk) 09:21, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
- You are misreading the result of that discussion, I'm afraid. It (and the parallel deletion discussion on enwiki) had in fact led to the conclusion that it is probably not an "official document" in the specific sense of the copyright law, which is only about texts that carry legal force, such as "laws, regulations, resolutions and decisions, international conventions, court decisions, award of arbitrators and decisions of administrative committees". Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:25, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
- As per this discussion: Egypt's Intellectual Property Law 82 of 2002 states that there is no copyright protection for "Official documents, whatever their source or target language, such as laws, regulations, resolutions and decisions, international conventions, court decisions, award of arbitrators and decisions of administrative committees having judicial competence." Now the question is that isn't a sitting president's letter, an official document of the state? The term used in that law to describe those items is "such as" which is language used to cite examples, not to set a condition of exclusivity. This is not a personal letter or something. A letter written in an official capacity, from a head of state to another diplomat, is by definition an official document. Sahim (talk) 22:58, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- You are misreading the result of that discussion, I'm afraid. It (and the parallel deletion discussion on enwiki) had in fact led to the conclusion that it is probably not an "official document" in the specific sense of the copyright law, which is only about texts that carry legal force, such as "laws, regulations, resolutions and decisions, international conventions, court decisions, award of arbitrators and decisions of administrative committees". Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:25, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
- As per this discussion and Egyptian Law, the contents of the text are in public domain, because the original source for the text is an official egyptian document and the original author is Abdelnaser. The one who has written the text have just copied a plain text, which is not copyrighted, he has not done anyting special, he has just copied a public domained content word by word. The form itself is also of simple shapes and plain short texts, which are negligible to be copyrighted. Sahim (talk) 09:21, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
- Somebody has changed the process from a requested speedy to a regular deletion request, so I've copied this whole discussion to the deletion page. Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:47, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
