File talk:Flag of the Soviet Union.svg

New version

Could someone apply my version (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/13/Flag_of_the_Soviet_Union2.svg) --Sebyugez (talk) 11:31, 7 June 2009 (UTC) ?

Colour of the Flag

The .svg source says "fill:#de0000", but IMO the background color for any Soviet flag legally described to be "красный" ("red") or "алый" ("scarlet"), which is the case of most soviet flags, should be inmistakenly medium/bright red, i.e., #FF0000.

Soviet flags legally described to be "тёмный красный" ("dark red") or any similar term, which are but a handful, should be inmistakenly darker, i.e., #CC0000.

António Martins-Tuválkin, vexillologist - 82.155.78.204 21:05, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Fixing the flag now. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 04:55, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Anyways Antonio, I fixed the flag now, but it might take some time to have the new image show. I used the bright red color, since according to "PSRS gerboni un karogi" (Riga, 1987, published by Avots), the red is "красный." User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 05:03, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Hammer and Sickle on the flag

A vintage flag of USSR made in 1988, accordant with the scheme.

Some Russian sources has an accurate drawing of the hammer and sickle on the flag:

• [1]
• [2]
• [3]
• [4]

-- Ericmetro (talk) 14:13, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

20px problem

For some obsure reason there is a problem with viewing this image on 20px. We discovered it through the template w:nl:Sjabloon:SUHH-VLAG but the same problem exists on the English wiki, look at w:en:User:FakirNL/sandbox. Any reason why this flag has this problem? - FakirNL (talk) 12:58, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

It seems to be a problem in the MediaWiki-software and not in this file specifically. - FakirNL (talk) 17:26, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Hammer and sickle improvement.

I found this image on Twitter that I based on:

• [5]

Hope this helps. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FreshCorp619 (talk • contribs) 01:35, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

No, look at the previous post about hammer and sickle. --Loic26 (talk) 10:15, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

The Soviet hammer and sickle

The file as of November 2017, based on File:Flag_the_USSR_schema_Sbornik_zakonov_1938-1956.svg

The file as of December 2018, based on File:Construction_sheet_of_the_flag_of_the_Soviet_Union.png

One of the construction sheets I used.

The hammer and sickle i posted is more accurate per the construction sheets
-File:Construction_sheet_of_the_flag_of_the_Soviet_Union.png
-File:Soviet_Hammer_and_Sickle_construction.png
-construction sheet linked
Thespoondragon (talk) 19:21, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

• I'm going to wait until 1 December for responses until attempting to edit the files to the hammer and sickle I drew(unless if there is significant opposition), is that a reasonable amt of time? Thespoondragon (talk) 18:33, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

This is the construction sheet that is used to design the flag as it currently exists. It is cited as being from a legal document. What is the source of the construction sheet you are using for this proposed change?

Since there are many different styles of the flag, it's difficult in any case to uphold one as the *correct* version. Because the current version is based on what is cited as a legal document, as well as it having a better aesthetic (imo), I would vote to leave it as is.

Furthermore, if others do vote in favor, I think that this shouldn't carry over to files that contain the hammer and sickle but are not Soviet flags.

Mundopopular (talk) 19:19, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Well, going only on that source, File:Flag_the_USSR_schema ... is a vectorization of the diagram from Soviet law that can be found on the Russian Wikisource, and the photo on the page closely matches the hammer and sickle I drew. (my drawing overlayed on the soviet diagram).

For the source of the construction sheet itself, the file itself seems to be sourced from a set of Soviet posters, some sources state the construction sheet itself as being from soviet flag manufacturing standards (scroll down, page has a lot of junk, as it's a chinese webstore), so I believe the poster construction sheet to be accurate. Sshu94, the uploader of the sheets I used, may be able to provide us with more information on the origin and authenticity of the construction sheet.

Thespoondragon (talk) 21:08, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

A while ago I asked some Russian speakers on Reddit for help to translate the fine print on the poster and here is the result. Sshu94 (talk) 06:47, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

edited a caption on this talk page, this text is so that the bot won't complain about not signingThespoondragon (talk) 22:20, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

By the way, I have seen some period manufacturers of Soviet flags following this construction sheet: RSFSR and Latvian SSR. --Ericmetro (talk) 08:13, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Here is another period Soviet flag, with the construction sheet conveniently also pictured [6] Thespoondragon (talk) 16:22, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Here is a close-up shot of the hammer & sickle part. Sshu94 (talk) 00:32, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Are there any objections to editing the SVG images with the post-1955 soviet hammer and sickle to the version on this flag? (this does not include the flag of Transnistria, as upon reading the relevant law, I believe it may use a different hammer and sickle.) If not, on the previously mentioned date 1 December I will edit the SSR flags to versions with the updated hammer and sickle. Thespoondragon (talk) 04:50, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

the USSR and SSR flag files have been updated to the new hamsic, as well as the Transnistrian flag, see the PMR president siteThespoondragon (talk) 02:53, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Pedro8790, do you have any sources to back up your reverts? the current consensus is that based on the evidence(official Soviet law and construction sheets, as well as flags from the period) the Soviet flag as of 1 December is the most accurate SVG. Please examine the sources on this talk page before reverting the soviet flag files again. Thespoondragon (talk) 03:04, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

That hammer and sickle look nothing like the ones on the construction sheets, and yes there are many sources, such as this 1984 video of the Soviet anthem, which clearly shows that they are nothing similar, the flag appears at 2:28 minutes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th-Z6le3bHA&ab_channel=OminaOne -- Pedro8790 (talk) 03:28, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

The hammer and sickle on the file as of 1 December nearly exactly matches the construction sheets. The source you cited, a small section of a video, isn't really valid for determining the official standard design of the soviet flag. If you take a look on ebay or etsy, one can see that there are many small variations on the design of the soviet hammer and sickle, due to not 100% following the official standards. Every single soviet law and standard with a diagram of the soviet flag (post 1955) has a hammer and sickle very similar to the version on the 1 December file. Thespoondragon (talk) 03:54, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

That hammer and sickle looks nothing like the ones on the construction sheets, and also, many Soviet flags online were made after the fall of the USSR, which is why you can find different variations of the hammer and sickle, flags from when the Soviet Union still existed are much more trustworthy sources. -- Pedro8790 (talk) 15:18, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

The hammer and sickle on the file as of 1 December exactly matches the construction sheet, as can be seen on the image linked on my previous post. I was mentioning flags on ebay and etsy only to show the wide variety of nonstandard hammer and sickles on soviet flags made at the time. Please show how the file as of 19 November 2017 is more accurate to the construction sheets and Soviet law, instead of just saying it looks "nothing like the ones on the construction sheets". Thespoondragon (talk) 16:39, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

The sickle was badly drawn and looks larger than the one on the Flag, that's why the current version is much more similar to the construction sheets. -- Pedro8790 (talk) 19:44, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

You have not demonstrated that the 6 November file is more accurate, instead insisting that the 1 December file is innaccurate and badly drawn despite all evidence to the contrary. On this image, the 1 December hammer and sickle is overlaid onto the construction sheet, showing that they are identical. If you scroll down, Ericmetro has linked photos of period flags with this design of hammer and sickle, which you have said are "much more trustworthy sources." And I have linked a Soviet law, "Об утверждении Положения о государственном флаге СССР", from 1955, with a diagram of the Soviet flag with a matching hammer and sickle. I am not sure what other evidence you need of the 1 December flag's accuracy. Thespoondragon (talk) 05:02, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

The construction sheet was made at least in 1984 in USSR ([7]). Manufacturers from different SSR followed this construction sheet. ([8], [9], [10], [11], [12], [13], [14]) --Ericmetro (talk) 22:42, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

And a matching hammer and sickle is on the 19 August 1955 Soviet law defining the position of the Soviet flag, "Об утверждении Положения о государственном флаге СССР" (see attached photo of the law). Thespoondragon (talk) 02:56, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

I have edited the images and captions at the top of this discussion for clarity.Thespoondragon (talk) 17:03, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Hammer-and-Sickle-Construction-Sheet, Hammer-and-Sickle-Pixel-Perfect-Digital-Construction-Sheet I am dies (talk) 08:39, 26 December 2018 (UTC)