File talk:Flag of New York City.svg

History?

Whoever moved this file here and deleted the old en page, please restore the full history and source information. Thank you. --ChrisRuvolo (t) 18:15, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Colors?

May I ask why the flag colors have been recently altered? I am curious because the only explanation for this new version states "orange and blue", and the NYC website continues to show the same color scheme prior to this newer version. Is there any sources to this recent change? --NuclearVacuum (talk) 03:41, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

And you didn't ask first, or at least ask in your revision summary? The source is real flags, and the version you reverted to uses an unrealistic blue and peach, not orange. Fry1989 ^eh? 20:47, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

I do apologize for not making my reasons clear. However, you also neglected to give a reasoning for your revised version aside from "the colors are unrealistic". No mention on this talk page, no mention anywhere as far as I am aware. With that, the fact that your revision has a noticeable color difference from what has changed little for the past six years on this site, and that your revision was recent; I felt there was little need to add one. Again, I do apologize.

As for your reasoning, I still have issues. For starters, your reference (and only picture shown) is a picture of a waving flag. To me, this isn't a valid reason to alter the coloring. This is because the image is in in motion, combined with the lighting, shadows, and highlights; make extrapolating a color standard not exact. Though for the sake of argument, I will play along. I have Photoshopped the image provided, and tried to get a neutral coloring from which. Here is about what I can make out:

Old version
Suggested version
This flag (more or less)

While not a complete picture, this also shows that your revision does have a flaw. While the blue is more or less dead on, the orange is not. I don't know where you see peach anywhere in the flag. If anything, the orange that has been used is more like a reddish-orange. But if you Google it, you can see that there appears to be more versions with a more reddish-orange than there are with standard orange—which I will add look almost like a faded orange in comparison with the darker blue.

All I can add to this is that using real flags is not really an accurate way to get a standard color scheme (the age, lighting, shadows, highlights, and the waving motion will assure variation among the different images that can be found on the net). And bringing this up again, why would your source be more valid than what is shown on the official website of New York City?

If at all, mind if I make a suggestion to your revision. Could you make the orange a bit more reddish? I can see that you used standard orange, but still used a darker blue which I can't make out. Aside from saying we keep things really simple and go with standard blue and orange (which would be horrible for the eyes), I feel asking for a redder orange isn't asking for much. Maybe Pantone orange (Pantone colors are used quite often in flags, but this particular shade may be too red). I do hope you will consider this. --NuclearVacuum (talk) 02:46, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

The colours I used were based on the same blue and orange used on the old South African flag, which itself was also derived from the Dutch prinsjevlag. I don't mind playing around, but the old version simply is not acceptable or realistic. Fry1989 ^eh? 03:02, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

So that's where you got the coloring? Well given that South Africa's flag was definitely a variation of the original Prince's Flag (which is much lighter), I wouldn't use it as a defined reference here. I am glad to hear it. If you would like, mind if I suggest the colors used by Nassau County? Here is the coat of arms (which is a milder version of the flag). While the blue is slightly different, the orange is much more accurate of what I am thinking. Any thoughts? --NuclearVacuum (talk) 06:07, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Old version
Suggested version
Nassau County colors

I'm not a fan of that blue, it looks like it has a bit of purple in it and when I add it to the flag it looks faded like it's been out in the sun too long. The orange from Nassau County still has the "peach" problem. Fry1989 ^eh? 19:51, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

How about this? I made the orange you used a bit more redder. --NuclearVacuum (talk) 21:22, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

New idea

I think it's fine how it is, but I'll change the orange to your "redder" one. Fry1989 ^eh? 03:09, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. That looks much better. --NuclearVacuum (talk) 03:13, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Fry wouldn't it be better to use the official collors of the government site? This version is redder. Histogenea22 (talk) 17:13, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

I am from the Netherlands and I think there is a misconception. The Prinsenvlag (Prince's flag) wasn't the official flag of the Dutch Republic, it was just used by the 'Geuzen' and later the Dutch Marine until 1653. Much older was the red-white-blue flag, which was also used by the Dutch East India Company and Dutch West India Company. The site of the NYC government says: "These are the colors of the Netherlands flag" and not specially the Prinsenvlag. Histogenea22 (talk) 17:25, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Correcting the Seal

According to Section 2-103 of the New York City Administrative Code ("Official city flag") the seal should not have the Latin motto. It states:

A flag combining the colors orange, white and blue arranged in perpendicular bars of equal dimensions (the blue being nearest to the flagstaff) with the standard design of the seal of the city in blue upon the middle, or white bar, omitting the legend "Sigillum Civitatis Novi Eboraci," which colors shall be the same as those of the flag of the United Netherlands in use in the year sixteen hundred twenty-five.[1]

In addition, the version being sold on the city's official online store omits the motto as well.[2] The code doesn't say anything about using a circular version of the seal either, so we should use the official oblong version. Now, there are plenty of examples in the wild of an incorrect city flag bearing a circular seal with Latin motto, but those don't comport with the official specs in the City Code. Considering this image is used across Wikipedia as a symbol of the city, can anyone update this image to reflect the official version? SixFourThree (talk) 19:43, 21 December 2016 (UTC)SixFourThree

I wouldn't be against updating the flag to conform to City Code, in-fact I think it'd be an accepted change given it's literally in the code. I can try updating it when I can. IndysNotHere (talk) 21:26, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Reading [3], it does seem to be correct. I apologize for the 6 year late response, but I will work on updating it. Flagvisioner (talk) 23:44, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

I noticed the colors were also changed. Was there a sourced reason for this given the initial discussion of the colors in 2013 (i.e. was it listed in the code, did someone contact the city, or was it just based on the one image on the website)? HapHaxion _{(talk / contribs)} 00:26, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

Pretty much. Though, the image itself is incorrect (at least according to the law) and, well, upon further research, it looks like the suggested colors might still be true to this day. (which we can see in [4]). It also looks like the ribbon (I believe it is called) is removed, which we can see in the image, just that the regulation does not say that it is also omitted from the flag. Flagvisioner (talk) 02:12, 27 August 2022 (UTC)