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Project scope / Categories[edit]

Hi Federico Leva, please respect that Commons has a project scope and that contributed images must be realistically useful for an educational purpose. For this reason please give useful categories and useful descriptions to your images. So that every other user can find your images through their categories and can understand what you want to teach with the images through their descriptions. To meet the project scope please keep everything as educational as possible. Keep in mind that most people in the world do not know what is visible in your images and therefore urgently require understandable descriptions and categories made by you! Particularly note that category names must be made in English language. So for instance in File:Paolo Monti - Serie fotografica (Anzola d'Ossola, 1962) - BEIC 6328543.jpg uploaded by you the Itaian language

I strongly suggest to read and respect Commons:Categories before you proceed! As this seems a BEIC/Wikimedia cooperation I also strongly suggest to ask an Italian speaking admin for assistance! See Commons:List of administrators by language -- Ies (talk) 14:36, 7 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your comment. We plan to cleanup the categories after upload, don't worry. Federico Leva (BEIC) (talk) 14:38, 7 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Would be nice not to put lots of pictures like those in Category:Industrie chimiche (Prodotti farmaceutici) - Svizzera - Sec. 20. - Sandoz directly to Category:Sandoz, I removed that. Please think of putting this to art categories instead. And please think about use and categories before uploads. -- Gerd Fahrenhorst (talk) 07:43, 8 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, we will move the files. And yes, we thought about categories a lot. See also Commons:BEIC/Photograph. Federico Leva (BEIC) (talk) 07:47, 8 April 2016 (UTC) P.s.: I had to revert your change though, because it's against the category policy and would hamper cleanup.[reply]
Unfortunately, it's all in Italian language. The pictures have lots of additional non existing categories, I miss any concept how to handle this. -- Gerd Fahrenhorst (talk) 08:09, 8 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, that's why we'll handle the category cleanup ourselves. As for the specific files however, I guess they were photographic studies commissioned by Sandoz to produce some advertisement. So you could move them to some "Sandoz advertisement" or "Sandoz in art" subcategory if you want. Federico Leva (BEIC) (talk) 08:11, 8 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I sometimes create new categories (e.g. Noaabot's work, and work I did on plant species categories), but for most of my mass uploads I use a pre-upload check so that only existing categories are applied. You may want to have a think about how to do this with a smarter workflow. At the moment you may actually be creating unnecessary work for yourselves by applying such a large number of categories on each image and keeping many which appear unlikely to be of use, plus you are likely to get more hassle from volunteers as the red-linked categories will get flagged up on maintenance lists as a problem. I happened to come here after taking a look at File:Paolo_Monti_-_Servizio_fotografico_(Firenze,_1972)_-_BEIC_6347229.jpg, which has seven red-links of which probably only about 2 are likely to be realistic for creation (at least one is a substring of another, so easily pre-upload identifiable as a problem, others have so many separate words and hyphens, they would again be worth identifying automatically as unlikely).
My own rule of thumb for image housekeeping, it's better to run a housekeeping script (like VFC) to add categories after upload than have categories added before upload that will need renaming/moving. You are likely to get < 1/10 the complaints by under categorizing at the start by sticking the batch in a bucket category and then filtering later, rather than over categorizing. You'll also be giving yourself more time to deliver on the housekeeping needed.
Practical tip, if you are planning to housekeep categories, please subst {{Chc}} when you upload, or use a "(check needed)" bucket category to manage the backlog.
It's tricky to get this stuff to work well, keep at it. --Fæ (talk) 11:30, 8 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Marco will explain better how he plans to proceed. I expect most work to be performed category by category with cat-a-lot.
The workflows you suggest don't apply to BEIC. Photos were already "categorised" in the catalog according to bibliographic standards. Our work here is "only" to transfer as much information as possible, translate it on Commons and fix any error. Federico Leva (BEIC) (talk) 13:46, 8 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Please stop inputting redundant or inexistant categories with this series of photographies!!!! Pierre cb (talk) 03:37, 10 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The upload has completed, see Commons:BEIC#Work in progress for the next steps. Federico Leva (BEIC) (talk) 06:57, 10 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I had to remove of change categories of over 100 of these images as they were totally random and pilling up into categories I'm trying to keep well ordered. Could you not input blindly in the future and begin by chosing proper categories. Pierre cb (talk) 14:14, 10 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
What do you mean by "input blindly"? There is no such thing as far as I know. Federico Leva (BEIC) (talk) 14:17, 10 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Well, the categories of the downloaded images are, to a large extend, either not related to the images or do not exist (in Italian) in Commons. Sometimes, there were 10 categories when only 2 or 3 were pertinent or can be found in Commons, some of those categories were even sub-categories of others. That is what I call blindly because I cannot find any pertinence to them. Why not only input all of theses photos into the author category, instead of trying to overcategorized with those mostly unrelated categories? Pierre cb (talk) 22:33, 10 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Why? To have a good categorisation at the end of the journey. Federico Leva (BEIC) (talk) 06:44, 11 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
If you want a quick fix, it would be fairly easy to comment out all red-link categories for the batch upload. This would not stop housekeeping as tools like VFC can filter based on hidden text comments. For example the GWToolset puts the original metadata in commented out text, making it possible for bots to take advantage of original metadata at any future point, even if the visible information fields and categories get changed by contributors. --Fæ (talk) 22:39, 10 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
No, we don't want a quick fix. Federico Leva (BEIC) (talk) 06:44, 11 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comparisons[edit]

Piú avanti, category:Images_from_the_Deutsche_Fotothek sarà un confronto sensato? [1] Federico Leva (BEIC) (talk) 13:33, 13 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Secondo me ci arriviamo vicino. --Marco Chemello (BEIC) (talk) 10:53, 15 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Categorie generali per Monti[edit]

@Chiara Consonni (BEIC): @Federico Leva (BEIC): Le foto di Monti sono troppe per poter essere agevolmente consultate per paginate. Secondo voi potrebbe essere sensato suddividerle secondo alcune categorie generali utili a chi consulta Commons, es. relative a temi come natura, ritratti, industria (come quelle nella galleria Paolo Monti che ho creato oggi), da aggiungere a quelle già esistenti in category:Photographs by Paolo Monti? Inoltre può avere senso dividerle per anno (o per decennio) o è solo una perdita di tempo? --Marco Chemello (BEIC) (talk) 10:59, 15 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Non si riesce a usare FastCCI per questo? Vedi per esempio File:FastCGI Manufacturing and Paolo Monti.png. Federico Leva (BEIC) (talk) 21:24, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Work in Italy[edit]

Ho messo in uso qualcuna di queste immagini, secondo me sono tutte valevoli. Spesso le voci dell'argomento non hanno proprio nulla. Federico Leva (BEIC) (talk) 21:18, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

File usage via Wikidata[edit]

I'm trying to see if I can get some meaningful data beyond Commons:BEIC/Usage table via Wikidata, but it seems quite difficult. A first step in embedding a globalusage API list into SPARQL would be something like tinyurl.com/ycpxjgxv: 

prefix schema: <http://schema.org/>
SELECT * WHERE {
  SERVICE wikibase:mwapi {
	 bd:serviceParam wikibase:api "Generator" .
     bd:serviceParam wikibase:endpoint "commons.wikimedia.org" .
     bd:serviceParam mwapi:gcmtitle "Category:Media_from_BEIC" .
     bd:serviceParam mwapi:generator "categorymembers" .
     bd:serviceParam mwapi:gcmprop "title" .
     bd:serviceParam mwapi:gcmnamespace "6" .
     bd:serviceParam mwapi:gcmlimit "max" .
     bd:serviceParam mwapi:prop "globalusage" .
    # out
    ?title wikibase:apiOutput mwapi:title .
    ?url1 wikibase:apiOutput "globalusage//gu[1]/@url"
  }
    FILTER ( ?url1 != "" )
}

But it's hard to get more than one row per ?title and the list is limited to 500 results anyway. Probably trying to combine SPARQL and API is still too experimental. --Federico Leva (BEIC) (talk) 20:23, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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