Commons:Quality images candidates/Archives December 26 2020

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Consensual review[edit]

File:Gerollte_Katze_20201104_DSC5446.jpg[edit]

  • Nomination Rolled cat (with head on couch). --PantheraLeo1359531 16:28, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Promotion
  •  Support Good quality. --Trougnouf 22:54, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
  •  Oppose Low DOF for an easy to take picture. Except for its head, most of the animal is unsharp. --Palauenc05 10:31, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
  •  Support I consider this as kind of an environmental portrait, and in portrait photography low DoF is very common and often wanted (only at least one eye must be sharp); therefore the low DoF is IMHO a valid choice here. --Aristeas 10:24, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
Total: 2 support (excluding the nominator), 1 oppose → Promoted   --Augustgeyler 21:46, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

File:Entspannt_zur_Seite_guckende_Katze_20201104_DSC5436.jpg[edit]

  • Nomination Cat with relaxed view to the right. --PantheraLeo1359531 16:16, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Decline
  •  Question What is the point of submitting several almost-duplicates? Where is the notability? Commons is not a hosting space for your private photo albums, no? --A.Savin 17:33, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
  •  Comment I have to disagree. The facial expressions says much about a cat. Having eyes open or almost closed makes a huge difference. Many factors are needed for creating facial expressions, these images show some results. If I would see this as a hosting space for private photo albums, it would be Very different. I don't recommend assumptions like these --PantheraLeo1359531 08:02, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
  •  Support The head is sharp enough for this to be good quality, regardless of anything else that's in the photo. And portrait subjects don't need to be notable. A.Savin, feel free to move this to CR if you think there's a basis in the QI guidelines for declining this nomination. -- Ikan Kekek 19:20, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
  •  Oppose Low DOF for an easy to take picture. Except for its head, most of the animal is unsharp. --Palauenc05 10:31, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
  •  Support I consider this as kind of an environmental portrait, and in portrait photography low DoF is very common and often wanted (only at least one eye must be sharp); therefore the low DoF is IMHO a valid choice here. --Aristeas 10:23, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
  •  Oppose Still not convinced about usefulness. Uploading tons of similar cats' images on Commons, despite the fact that we already have "tons of tons" of, is not cool. Noiminating them all at QI is not cool either. It's like uploading more and more human penis photos, just more aesthetic. Please find a more needed motif for capturing. --A.Savin 16:05, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
  •  Oppose Several QIs of the same cat, same setting. Agree with A.Savin, we do not need more QIs of the same subject. --Kallerna 17:30, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
  •  Question Is the Commons server nearing its usable space, such that more cat photos will break it? I thought the entire idea of QIC was that all good photos are passed, regardless of how many there are per motif and how similar they are to other photos (with a few exceptions, but cat portraits certainly don't seem to be among them, unless you'd like to cite some relevant language - I'd be happy to consider that). I'd suggest that people bored with cat photos stop looking at them and leave it to other people to judge whether they meet the QIC criteria. As a practical matter, if no-one is interested enough in looking at them, they'll end up being undecided and therefore not passed. -- Ikan Kekek 22:34, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
Total: 2 support (excluding the nominator), 3 oppose → Declined   --Augustgeyler 21:47, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

File:Brooklin_Bridge-Nueva_York7083.JPG[edit]

  • Nomination Brooklyn Bridge at dusk, New York, USA --Poco a poco 14:26, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Decline
  •  Support OK, IMO. -- Ikan Kekek 15:46, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
  •  Oppose Sharpness, size, noisy. --Kallerna 18:36, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
    How big do you want a 2007 photo to be? As for the rest, I don't think pinpoint sharpness is necessary for this kind of atmospheric photo, but we can agree to disagree. -- Ikan Kekek 19:16, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
  •  Comment Do we have different standards for older pics? --Kallerna 22:05, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Yes. -- Ikan Kekek 02:39, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
  • To elaborate: I tried to find the relevant text that states this. Someone showed it to me some time ago, but I can't find it, so I'd ask anyone who knows where it is to please link the text that states that we need to judge each photo in terms of whether it was a QI by the standards of the year when it was taken. -- Ikan Kekek 05:05, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Just for comparison, here is another digital image from 2007 taken during the dusk. --Kallerna 06:42, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
  • That's a sneaky comparison of an image stitched together from multiples frames using a panorama head. Do you expect everybody to have done something like that back then to get a QI? Come on, you are starting to piss me off. I could also post here QIs (which don't necessarily have to be also FP, as well) that are of clearly worse quality than this one. Would I make then a point? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Poco a poco (talk • contribs) 12:30, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
  • I'm not aware of any explicite agreements on standards over the time, it's just something obvious to me. I believe that the standard was implicitly set by the average quality of photography equipment. To make clear that standards are different for older pics, doesn't it apply to historic images?. Ikan, why don't you look into the QICs back from August 2007? You can get a more accurate feeling whether this image would have made it or not. --Poco a poco 12:31, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
  •  Comment No, it's not at all obvious. At FPC, there's a strong consensus not to have different standards for older digital photos, as witness delisting of photos that were considered excellent in their day. I hope you, A.Savin and others contribute to the thread I just started on the talk page, because it's not clear to me whether we should apply different standards to older photos at QIC, but I'm certainly not going to spend time trawling through QIC pages from 2007. -- Ikan Kekek 16:25, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
  •  Oppose per Kallerna. --A.Savin 18:23, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
    And I don't think we have different standards for old images: for QI certainly not (AFAIK), for an FP nomination anyone is of course free to say "this is a historical picture, the wow outweighs technical flaws"... or the like... --A.Savin 18:25, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
  •  Comment OK, I'm confused and will start a thread on the talk page. I'm happy to either have different standards for older photos or not have them, and older digital pictures certainly don't get judged at a different standard at FPC though early analog photos do. I just want to know what basis I should use in judging photos here. -- Ikan Kekek 16:04, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
  •  Comment Based on the discussion on the talk page, I think I probably should not apply different standards on sharpness and noise to a photo taken in 2007, so I've crossed out my supporting vote. I think the fuzzy buildings in the distance are probably OK for an atmospheric sunset pic, but the nearby people and so forth are also fuzzy. -- Ikan Kekek 21:20, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
Total: 0 support (excluding the nominator), 2 oppose → Declined   --Augustgeyler 21:49, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

File:Entspannt_zum_Betrachter_guckende_Katze_20201104_DSC5433.jpg[edit]

  • Nomination Image of a relaxing cat. --PantheraLeo1359531 15:25, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Promotion
  •  Oppose This one is missing some depth of focus (needs a smaller aperture); only one eye is in focus. --Trougnouf 22:51, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
     Neutral per Ikan; larger focus would be appreciated but it's not enough to decline at reasonable zoom level. --Trougnouf 10:03, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
  •  Support The head is sharp enough, especially considering the size of the file. -- Ikan Kekek 19:22, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
  •  Support I consider this as kind of an environmental portrait, and in portrait photography low DoF is very common and often wanted (only at least one eye must be sharp); therefore I think this photo is OK. --Aristeas 10:27, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
Total: 2 support (excluding the nominator), 0 oppose → Promoted   --Augustgeyler 21:50, 25 December 2020 (UTC)