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File:Wollaita Girl, Ethiopia.jpg, featured[edit]

Voting period is over. Please don't add any new votes.Voting period ends on 13 Nov 2014 at 12:44:32 (UTC)
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Portrait of a Wollaita girl in Ethiopia
 Comment Perhaps the answer lies in the number of people of color involved in the FP section. --The Photographer (talk) 15:23, 7 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Where are these "white guys" considering it "degrading to be Wollaita"? Pugilist, The Photographer. Let's not be careless with the "racist" word. Classification of people primarily by their race or ethnic group has a troubled history (slavery, eugenics and genocide have their roots in the consideration that someone is not "a fellow human being" but one of "them"). While the study of ethnic groups is a valid science, tourists photographing indigenous people is increasingly seen as exploitative. I have no idea of the circumstances surrounding the taking of this photograph (and others in the Flickr group) so I trust it was respectfully and considerately done. Several hundred years of European oppression of other people groups makes me uncomfortable with such labelling. This lady is a person with a name, a family, an occupation; she is not a butterfly specimen. -- Colin (talk) 20:57, 7 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Colin: It is off topic and we could probably have a long discussion about this. I guess nobody disagree that slavery etc. was and is horrible and nobody disagree that the person on the photograph is a person with a name. My point was a little different. Pugilist (talk) 22:01, 7 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I would like to know what your point was, because all I see is an attempt to paint "the white guys here" as racist (i.e. thinking it is degrading to be Wollaita)", which is unacceptable and should be retracted. You've made a lot of assumptions, including that "most Wollaita people are quite proud to be Wollaita" rather than "completely reject ethnic grouping as a means by which to consider oneself better than another". You should note my point is whether ethnic/racial group is desirable primary classification (ie. filename) not whether it is a reasonable secondary classification (category), which it is (if done correctly). But we lack any other information about this person, so what can we do.. -- Colin (talk) 22:26, 7 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I see you missed the point. I understand your point but as you mention there is not much information from the flickr source. A discussion of an eventual new file name should be made another place. Pugilist (talk) 23:22, 7 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I think that Pugilist's point is that white, male, rich and privileged people will never understand how it is to be black, woman, poor or any other minority. Their intentions normally are good but they see the world though different eyes. The Photographer (talk) 01:55, 8 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
 Comment I noticed a visible retouched area, however, is a problem of the original image. I fixed it too, but I preffer do it from the RAW --The Photographer (talk) 12:56, 8 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Comment Guys/gals, can we please have just a little bit of decorum here. I'm not a FP regular, but if the above is indicative of what goes on here perhaps this part of commons needs to be looked at. For the record, Rod and I are discussing the image, and the background behind his photography, on Flickr, and quite frankly some of the comments above are embarrassing for us as a project. russavia (talk) 06:10, 8 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • russavia, your comments/discussion on Flickr just confirm my comments made initially (which you rejected as non-issues) that it is vital to encourage photographers to nominate their images and take part in the discussion. The above is indicative of how badly a nom can go when the photographer is unable to supply additional information/background. I was uncomfortable with the labelling, which anyone with an iota of knowledge of history would appreciate, but that discomfort doesn't extend to the point where I think it wrong -- I did support after all. I've made no suggestion that anyone might be uncomfortable being "identified as Welayta". It is one thing appearing online in someone's Flickr stream alongside friends and family. Quite another to appear randomly in a category in a database and labelled purely by ethnic group like one is a butterfly specimen. From the discussion on Flickr, I get the impression Rod is considerate of all these things and happy to elaborate on the background. You on the other hand, still seem to think these "non issues". One thing I do agree with you is that Pugilist's comments are unacceptable. -- Colin (talk) 11:57, 8 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Support Great portrait. — Julian H.✈ (talk/files) 07:44, 8 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Question is it a retouched area? see note. I say hello to the girl if she is looking at that, now or later :). -- Christian Ferrer Talk / Im. / Fav. 13:11, 8 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
 Comment Good observing. Obviously some bad cloning there !? I didnt see it before voting. --Mile (talk) 08:54, 9 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Confirmed results:
Result: 16 support, 1 oppose, 0 neutral → featured. /A.Savin 18:56, 15 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
This image will be added to the FP gallery: People
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