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File:Louvre Cour Carree.jpg, featured[edit]

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Cour Carré of Louvre Museum at Dusk
  •  Info created, uploaded and nominated by Benh -- Benh (talk) 12:00, 10 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Support a 5 years old picture that I finally managed to process in a decent way. Compared to the previous nom, it has less ghosts, better colors, and much better projection, which allows to both show that the place has a square shape and squeeze the wide FOV (~200°) in the frame. Hope it's still up to today's standards. Note that the place seems to be in renovation, and catching the fountain in function is not possible for the moment. Also note that due to extreme stretching on the sides, I cannot provide a bigger version. -- Benh (talk) 12:00, 10 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Oppose As in QIC. Sorry, dear Benh, but I'm not a fan of this kind of deformations (of course on purpose), especially for a Renaissance place which is named "Squared square", this is not very respectful of the will of the architect  ! The exposure and light are as usual excellent and very appealing, but the central pavilion is really leaning to the right, left and right crops need more symmetry, and ghosts are too prominent for my taste.--Jebulon (talk) 17:07, 10 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Comment Benh try PTGui (in rectilinear projection), i always get some similar "unwanted" roofs with Adobe. This photo is worth to save. --Mile (talk) 17:13, 10 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sure Benh didn't chose panini general (I guess?) by accident. Rectillinear looks awkward above 120°, and 200° is just impossible physically. I am more worried about the obvious decentering and the asymmetry (or is it reflective of architectural realities?) --DXR (talk) 18:25, 10 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Comment Thank you for the reviews. It's as DXR said. You can't fit this much FOV into the frame with a rectilinear projection (to give a sort of context, the image starts on the left behind the viewer and ends on the right behind the viewer again). It's my choice to get this close to the bassin (for composition), and as a tradeoff, buildings are bended a bit. But I don't think it's this distracting here, and we have many other pictures with similar amount of distortion. I can understand it's not to everyone's tastes. But for the ghosts, I couldn't get a moment without them, or it wouldn't be at dusk (window is small between the moment they start to lit the building, and when the sky gets dark, and many lovers enjoy the moment). You'll have to trust me, but it's already quite an improvement if you could see the raw pictures. I'll only try to fix the symmetry issue, but it may be the building itself. - Benh (talk) 19:00, 10 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Comment I love the lighting and don't mind curvy buildings. The lights in the pool direct the eye towards the fountain. The pond does rather dominate the picture. Looking at File:Louvre Cour Carrée June 2010.jpg I see the true scale. And File:Cour Carrée (Palais du Louvre) 2.jpg, taken from much further back, shows a more conventional projection (if still rather wide-angle) is possible while capturing the same extent of building. Would a crop 2620 down from the top remove some of the hugeness from the pond (and mostly eliminate the most troublesome ghost)? -- Colin (talk) 20:28, 10 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Oppose I must say I think the blueish colors of the pond, etc are overdone and the main buildings too saturated. I like the projection in this one, but much prefer the colors you had in your very first upload of this image in 2009. This is too 500px'ish for my taste, sorry. -- Slaunger (talk) 21:53, 10 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Support The issues discussed above do not bother me. -- Ram-Man 00:08, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Comment I can sympathize with you on this one. Looking back at the old one, I prefer the colors on that one and the projection used on that reduced the size of the biggest ghost at the front. Perhaps a mixture of Slaunger's suggestion of the old colors and Colin's for a crop? --Muhammad (talk) 02:27, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Oppose --Hubertl (talk) 03:33, 11 November 2014 (UTC) too close to kitch. But i appreciate the panini projection![reply]
  • Colin, I'm not sure I got you for the crop suggestion. I'm looking at the color issue. As a more general topic, I do listen to reviews, that's a reason why I'm here. But for some issues, I won't. The big pound was on purpose from the start, I won't change on that, either this picture gets promoted or not. I like how different of a point of view it provides on the place. Maybe that's what a fly sees => encyclopedic value ;). @Muhammad, saw ur change, but not quite satisfied with resulting projection. I think it's better I do it from my Hugin project files. If I'm not successful but you still think it's worth it, I'll be happy to give away my RAW for you to try. Be back with some changes/fixes. - Benh (talk) 20:20, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Fixed DXR, Colin, Slaunger, Muhammad, Hubertl, I fixed all issues mentioned above, that is: symmetry, too cool WB and oversaturation yielding kitsch results. I chose not to crop, I like the pound as it. And btw Colin there was nothing personal in my remark. I appreciate your reviews as usual either a support or oppose. Just sometimes we have to stick to our artistic choices as u said. Something I couldn't fix : ghosts. But even though one may not realise, I removed a lot of them already, and for the reason explained above, it's difficult to have none of them in such a touristy place, at such a lovely timing of the day. Maybe some skilled editor could clone the remaining ones out. Thank you for the feedbacks. Quant à toi cher Jebulon, j'essaie de te convaincre : pour obtenir ce point de vue, on ne peut pas garder toutes les lignes droites. Il faut parfois accepter les concessions, de même que ça ne choque personne d'avoir une Antarctique grosse comme deux fois la Russie sur les planisphères ;) (c'est exactement le même problème de projection). J'aurais pu reculer pour avoir qq chose de "standard", mais à quoi bon ? Après si tu n'aimes pas... je dormirai un peu moins bien ;) - Benh (talk) 22:17, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • Je comprends que ce type de projection ne permet pas les lignes droites, mais je suis choqué que la courbe du fronton ne soit pas symétrique: ça penche à droite, c'est incontestable. Et rien ne me devrait s'opposer à ce que ça soit droit, sauf une erreur, la même qui fait d'ailleurs que les deux pavillons sur les deux côtés ne peuvent pas être coupés symétriquement, sauf à risquer de décentrer l'image. Regarde-toi dans le dos d'une cuillère, tu comprendras. Mais pas de quoi gâcher ta nuit ! 😴💤💤🌌🌃--Jebulon (talk) 23:03, 11 November 2014 (UTC)--Jebulon (talk) 23:12, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • Hep hep hep ! Je vois que tu as amélioré les choses, mon commentaire ci-dessus n'est donc plus valable, tout est bien "droit" comme il faut! Dès que je ne serai plus sur tablette, je regarderai tout ça avec grande attention.--Jebulon (talk) 23:12, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Support Ghosts do not disturb me. ;oD Perspective is OK for such a wide angle. The pound is great. Yann (talk) 11:58, 12 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Support Cathy Richards (talk) 19:30, 12 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Support Symmetry seems to work here, fascinating light. Ik like it. Jules Grandgagnage (talk) 21:56, 12 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Support -- -donald- (talk) 08:33, 13 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Support Better now --Muhammad (talk) 19:14, 13 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Confirmed results:
Result: 8 support, 1 oppose, 1 neutral → featured. /-- Christian Ferrer Talk / Im. / Fav. 12:25, 21 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
This image will be added to the FP gallery: Places/Architecture/Castles and fortifications
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