Commons:Requests and votes/SterkeBak

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SterkeBak

Vote

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Hey all of you! I'd like to suppose you SterkeBak as a new sysop. SterkeBak is really active in tagging new images and requesting Images for deletions. He has a good experience of commons policy and guidelines. His native language is dutch and he is yet a trusted flickr-reviewer. In IRC he is known as a very helpfull and polite user who is often online. [Boring statistic-part] SterkeBak has now got over 3197 edits, over 65 percent of those in the image-namespace. He accepted his nomination at #wikimedia-commons and he will confirm it here in a few seconds. abf /talk to me/ 19:49, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I accept Sterkebaktalk 19:50, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Votes

* Support - Silver Spoon (talk) 18:54, 30 September 2008 (UTC) Revoked after reading comments.This is not true, there is no hate or whatsoever. Also Commons is too important to ignore the imput given by wikipedia-users. And I don't agree with this either. People get a pretty good understanding of a person when working with a person on another wiki. One person does not behave differently on another wiki, just because it's another wiki.Silver Spoon (talk) 19:18, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Oppose Unwanted CABAL behaviour on irc://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-commons. Silver Spoon (talk) 19:46, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Dəstək people who are trying to help others deserve to have more trust and as i checked SterkeBak recent edits proves me he is really trustworthy.Welcome to the admins gang band.--Mardetanha talk 01:35, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Support! Brynn (talk!) 13:15, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Support Good contributions and will be more helpful with the tools. Thanks for volunteering to do the extra work. FloNight♥♥♥ 16:34, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Support I saw his contributions on the deletion request pages (and also on irc). Very good. Guérin Nicolas (messages) 09:01, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Support. Lewis Collard! (lol, internet) 19:08, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Support Thanks for volunteering! Finn Rindahl (talk) 13:00, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Support Good man, will use the tools right. -Nard the Bard 14:57, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hard working, helpful, knows his stuff, communicates OK. Sure.  Support. Giggy (talk) 15:17, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Support - He deserves the tools. MarkMu (talk) 16:20, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Oppose - He does not understand copyright, and is not able unfortunately to function as an administrator. I have experienced Sterkebak for quite a while on nlwikipedia, and I think even though he means well in general, he is not fit for this job, even though he can do a lot of other stuff well. Please, sterkebak, do what you are good at, and not this.. Effeietsanders (talk) 16:33, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Support - A friendly person, with respect for other users. A virtue much needed on wiki projects - Quistnix (talk) 16:45, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Oppose - Certainly a well meaning user, but definitely lacking talent for diplomacy or listening. Is often emotionally involved, as becomes clear from numerous edits on nl:wiki. Has no inside knowledge of copyright (see for instance here, where he states that copyright is not inheritable). Doesn't need to be a moderator to do usefull things on Commons. Wutsje (talk) 16:46, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Oppose - Effeietsanders and Wutsje make very clear why SterkeBak should not become a moderator on commons. I don't think he has the competences to be a good moderator; Apart from his lack of copyright knowledge, his lack of judgement is another worry to me. Mwpnl (talk) 16:58, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  •  OpposeA very enthousiastic user who does good work as a Flickr-images reviewer. However, on nl-wiki he indeed has given ample proof of a poor understanding of the ins and outs of copyright regulations and licenses, and often of poor communication, also towards new users. I understand that many of the people here do not speak Dutch and will not be able to read e.g. this discussion, where Sterkebak claimed that copyright is not inheritable, and approached a new uploader in a way I would say is very undesirable. Now, everyone makes mistakes, and we all learn. However, I strongly would recommend that Sterkebak is allowed some more time to learn and understand the implications of copyright for commons, and learn some more English, before he will be deleting (with best intentions) or keeping images on his own. Forrestjunky (talk) 17:36, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Oppose Sterkebak, I'm sorry to say, but I second that. The problem is not, as Wutsje writes, that you don't know every copyright rule by head. Most people here don't. The problem is, you pretend to know them while you don't. From a position of authority, you tell a new user things that are false. I've seen you doing so more often. When unsure, always ask someone who knows before editing. Once you start doing so you have my vote, here as well as on wiki.nl. Cause you don't lack goodwill, edits or enthusiasm. Woudloper (talk) 18:21, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  •  OpposeThis user acts too emotionally to be able to carry this responsibility and when you want to learn him something he can´t take the feedback. So he never can deliberate about something, because he doesn't understand the things you want to say, even in dutch. --Maanmeis (talk) 18:07, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Oppose - user is often incapable of taking on responsibilities well, has a habit of not judging matters well, can often get into conflicts with others since he lacks communication skills and does often not understand what is asked or wished for. Cannot handle feedback, cannot understand english very well nor writes it properly. Lacks knowledge needed to make proper judgements often. MoiraMoira (talk) 18:47, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Oppose He makes too many mistakes, in licensing as well as in all sorts of other activities. He doesn't communicate very well, is not capable of writing correct English (or Dutch !), and many of his mistakes come from simply not reading properly what has been written already. He also has been involved in far too many unhealthy arguments and edit-wars on nl-wiki, ignores instructions and other peoples' wishes, just does things the way he wants to, does not know the difference between SVG and PNG, etc. In short: I do not trust him to be an administrator, on the commons or any other wiki. - Erik Baas (talk) 18:52, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Support despite all the comments I think Sterkebak is an active and dedicated who can grow to be a good mod JeroenZ85 (talk) 19:11, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Support - Although I give him the advice to not react too strong in discussions, and let things to another mod if he will come into a discussion (what is not always a problem). I know Sterkebak as someone that has a lot of energy to put into the project, and is always looking for a job that he can help to finish. Edoderoo (talk) 19:24, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Support This canvasing by nl.wp is damn lame. Dont you guys have better things to do than to go harass other projects? Go home. --ShakataGaNai ^_^ 19:29, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Oppose - As per Mwpnl / MoiraMoira. This nomination is an invitation for trouble (and no, nobody mailed me about it). Guido den Broeder (talk) 19:33, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Support. Canvassing is stupid. He, is not. ViperSnake151 (talk) 19:46, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  •  Comment - Other than Dutch do you have proficiency in other languages? Cirt (talk) 22:28, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    According to his userpage, nl, en-2, de-2, nds-2, af-1. -mattbuck (Talk) 22:45, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Ah quite, I had missed that from the user talk page. Thanks, Cirt (talk) 03:43, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Hi, if i vind a messeage i can't understand i always have Google Translate en many friends who maybe can speek that language :) Sterkebaktalk 06:29, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Sounds good, thanks. Cirt (talk) 09:00, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm sorry, but the sentence "if i vind a messeage i can't understand i always have Google Translate en many friends who maybe can speek that language" doesn't particulary strike me as en-2. Wutsje (talk) 17:04, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    And what does "Viele-baeren was the 3 one in two day's" mean ?? - Erik Baas (talk) 18:57, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • It is very nice to know when people hate me on the dutch wiki. They will come to here and try to make me look bad. It's okey if they talk about things that i do on commons, but it makes me sad they are talking about nl.wiki and not commons. The link Wutsje gave was about a image that was taken by someone that was not the uploader. So i tagt it with permission to otrs. Later i found out the uploader was the sun of the maker of the image (that is wat he say's anyway) the dutch otrs team find so statement enough en don't need anymore. I am still thinking that i can also say i am the sun of a somebody and upload images that are not own work. And i still believe that permission should go to otrs. But it makes me sad that people that are not or almost not active on commons oppose here just because they don't like me on the nl.wiki. Sterkebaktalk 17:33, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • This is not about hate, this is about (the lack of) confidence. - Erik Baas (talk) 18:53, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • Sterkebak, allow me to say explicitly that this has nothing to do with hate or trying to make you look bad. This is a vote. You'd be more disappointed if someone would just oppose your RFA without giving any kind of explanation. I really do think that you have many good qualities, but not the ones that are required to be a good admin on Commons. Wutsje (talk) 19:06, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Sterkebak, just for clarification: people who are mostly active on nl-wiki, and have worked with you there extensively, of course refer to what happens there. Not because they hate you, but because it is the best way for us to try and make others understand our objections. You see, you have also been a very active user with regard to images on nl-wiki, which is in some ways very comparable with your work here. Experiences in that particular field are therefor quite relevant, I would say. I encourage you to not see our votes as a an action against you as a person, but solely as a way of pointing out that you are doing good work in reviewing, but that we have doubts about your ability to make decisions regarding more complex copyright issues. At least: at this moment. Whatever the outcome here, today, I would suggest you keep up the good work and learn more, as you have done in the past months. I hope that clarifies a bit :-) Best regards, Forrestjunky (talk) 17:45, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Forrestjunky i respect your objection. I worked close with you :-) But when people vote with less than 100 edits on commons it makes me wonder how the can have a good vieuw on my work here. Sterkebaktalk 17:51, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As you should know, Commons is a crosswiki project :) And I think that many Dutch are much better able to read your statements about copyright then the native english speakers active here mainly. To judge whether someone is fit to do a job, is indeed quite hard, but to judge whether someone is unfit, can be much easier, even with little edits on the specific project. And excuse me, but I think I have more or less a feeling on how Commons works and what kind of people are required :) I just think that you are better at place with a different hat. Effeietsanders (talk) 18:02, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Comment Looks like this one has been "advertised" on another project to me. I'm sure 'crats will take it into account. --Herby talk thyme 18:53, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • That is a way to look at it. However, you could also think why people vote against, and I personally feel that most of the votes above are meaning the best, and are because they really feel that this would be a mistake. Most of the times, the people don't "hate" Sterkebak, but (well, at least speaking for myself), I have experienced from close that he is not fit for this job. Sorry to say it, and I'd rather have seen it differently. Effeietsanders (talk) 19:03, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • Another way of looking at it might be the simple fact that until very recently practically nobody on nl:wiki knew this was going on. Please also note that many of the objections mentioned here are more or less the same as those that were risen a few months ago during Sterkebak's RFA on nl:wiki (which he withdrew). Wutsje (talk) 19:17, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Correct. I was told via e-mail, and I think that's a good thing: all positive votes so far came from people who only know his contributions to the commons as a Flick-reviewer, and he seems to be doing a fine job there. However, a number of people who have monitored his activities on nl-wiki did not even know about this nomination, and I think it's good for the project when people who know him longer and better have a chance to give their opinions as well. - Erik Baas (talk)

@ ShakataGaNai: to me this is not "another project", it's the project I'm most active at lately. Besides: I know Sterkebak, and I am convinced he is not fit to be an admin on any wiki-project. If you still want me to shut up, just say so. - Erik Baas (talk) 19:34, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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