Category talk:Road signs in Singapore
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Could you please explain why you feel that "Category:Symbols of Singapore" and "Category:Road transport infrastructure in Singapore" need to be added as parent categories to "Category:Road signs in Singapore", and why you keep removing "Category:Road transport signs in Singapore"? "Symbols of Singapore" is already a parent category of "Category:Signs in Singapore", and according to COM:OVERCAT "The general rule is always place an image in the most specific categories, and not in the levels above those". Similarly, "Road transport architecture in Singapore" is a parent category of "Road transport signs in Singapore", so if this category is already in "Road transport signs in Singapore" it should not be in "Road transport architecture in Singapore". — Cheers, JackLee –talk– 16:52, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
Just saw your latest reversion and comment. I'm trying to understand your rationale. What are "direct-line subcategories"? — Cheers, JackLee –talk– 16:55, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
- Just adding a link to a previous discussion on this topic: User_talk:Fry1989#Please use sub-categories. ––Apalsola t • c 17:13, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
- I really don't care what the two of you seem to believe. I worked with subcating and overcats for quite some time, and the two of you seem to be under the impression that I am ignorant rather than realizing my efforts were deliberate. OVERCAT has always been a guideline, not a rule, and there has always been wiggle room. Even when I attempt to compromise by doing half of what Apalsola desired, it's still not good enough. So I couldn't care less, but I do suggest the two of you move on. This doesn't need to become protracted. Fry1989 eh? 19:03, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
- Would you mind to please stop adding parent categories and by it overcategorizing this categories. You are alone against the advice of 4 other users and yet you seem to think that you are above the others and the overcat guideline, making your actions seem like a stubborn user. Tm (talk) 23:38, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
- Would you mind to please stop acting like the three of you know everything? OVERCAT is not some golden rule as you seem to think, and these categories which I have added are beneficial. I have attempted to explain why, I have attempted to compromise, nothing is good enough for any of you who seem to think you get to make the final decision of right and wrong when it comes to categories. You have collectively attempted to undo all my work and you act like I should thank you! Fry1989 eh? 00:00, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
- Would you mind to please stop adding parent categories and by it overcategorizing this categories. You are alone against the advice of 4 other users and yet you seem to think that you are above the others and the overcat guideline, making your actions seem like a stubborn user. Tm (talk) 23:38, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
- I really don't care what the two of you seem to believe. I worked with subcating and overcats for quite some time, and the two of you seem to be under the impression that I am ignorant rather than realizing my efforts were deliberate. OVERCAT has always been a guideline, not a rule, and there has always been wiggle room. Even when I attempt to compromise by doing half of what Apalsola desired, it's still not good enough. So I couldn't care less, but I do suggest the two of you move on. This doesn't need to become protracted. Fry1989 eh? 19:03, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
- Your right the OVERCAT is not a golden rule, it is an official policy as It has wide acceptance among editors and is considered a standard that all users should follow. Maybe you should look yourself in the mirror and maybe you will see who is wrong. Also you failed to explain why are the categories that you´ve added are relevant to this categories, if there are already subcategories. Tm (talk) 00:17, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
- You are removing categories for which there are no valid subcategories, or categories which do not overlap, thereby making these more difficult to find and difficult to to maintain. My effort always was and always will be to make these categories as uniform as possible. If you took half the time you spent undoing my work on looking at these categories history, you would see that they were incredibly wide-spread with no rhyme or reason. I took the most common categories and applied them uniformly. It's something I can't expect you to comprehend. Fry1989 eh? 00:21, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
- Thats why i´am creating (blueing the red ones you´ve added) many categories from scratch . And yes categorization is something i understand as i´am in commons for more than 8 years and have almost 320 000 editions, of which tens of thousands are categorization work. It's something I can't expect you to comprehend. Tm (talk) 00:29, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
- Really? Then why did I have to do that myself to fix several of the errors created by thing 1 and thing 2 here? And instead of the most basic understanding of what I was attempting to accomplish even after I attempted to explain it, I had my work repeatedly undermined without any attempt to make it better. Fry1989 eh? 00:35, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
- What thing 1 and thing 2 and what errors??? Tm (talk) 00:42, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
- Thing 1 and Thing 2 are fictional characters who create messes, and it is difficult to clean those messes up. Those who removed my categories without fixing the errors that caused (Apalsola and Atamari) are who I am referring to. Several of the categories they removed had no alternative subcat. Some master categories did not even exist, for example "Symbols of Zambia" which I had to create. I was trying to uniformly apply the categories, and these two as well as yourself messed that all up, and then insult me because of not understanding what I was attempting to do. Fry1989 eh? 00:53, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
- Apalsola and Atamari are right on your overcat. If you must improve the category trees, add new ones and connect the upper and lower. The Category:Symbols of Zambia that you created is empty??? So what is the improvements??? I see that someone just filled it up. The irony. Tm (talk) 01:00, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
- Thing 1 and Thing 2 are fictional characters who create messes, and it is difficult to clean those messes up. Those who removed my categories without fixing the errors that caused (Apalsola and Atamari) are who I am referring to. Several of the categories they removed had no alternative subcat. Some master categories did not even exist, for example "Symbols of Zambia" which I had to create. I was trying to uniformly apply the categories, and these two as well as yourself messed that all up, and then insult me because of not understanding what I was attempting to do. Fry1989 eh? 00:53, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
- What thing 1 and thing 2 and what errors??? Tm (talk) 00:42, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
- Really? Then why did I have to do that myself to fix several of the errors created by thing 1 and thing 2 here? And instead of the most basic understanding of what I was attempting to accomplish even after I attempted to explain it, I had my work repeatedly undermined without any attempt to make it better. Fry1989 eh? 00:35, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
- Thats why i´am creating (blueing the red ones you´ve added) many categories from scratch . And yes categorization is something i understand as i´am in commons for more than 8 years and have almost 320 000 editions, of which tens of thousands are categorization work. It's something I can't expect you to comprehend. Tm (talk) 00:29, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
- You are removing categories for which there are no valid subcategories, or categories which do not overlap, thereby making these more difficult to find and difficult to to maintain. My effort always was and always will be to make these categories as uniform as possible. If you took half the time you spent undoing my work on looking at these categories history, you would see that they were incredibly wide-spread with no rhyme or reason. I took the most common categories and applied them uniformly. It's something I can't expect you to comprehend. Fry1989 eh? 00:21, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
- Your right the OVERCAT is not a golden rule, it is an official policy as It has wide acceptance among editors and is considered a standard that all users should follow. Maybe you should look yourself in the mirror and maybe you will see who is wrong. Also you failed to explain why are the categories that you´ve added are relevant to this categories, if there are already subcategories. Tm (talk) 00:17, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
Fry1989, I'm genuinely trying to understand why you feel it is necessary to add "Symbols in Singapore" as a parent category when it is already a parent category of "Signs in Singapore", and why you keep removing "Road transport signs in Singapore" in favour of its parent. You also haven't explained what "direct-line subcategories" are. You can't expect other editors to support your actions if you refuse to explain what you are doing. — Cheers, JackLee –talk– 16:59, 15 October 2014 (UTC)