Category talk:HMS Jervis (ship, 1938)
Why was this moved?[edit]
This category has been moved from HMS Jervis to HMS Jervis (G00) in December, without explanation. What was the reason for this? The ship article is at HMS Jervis, and was itself moved from HMS Jervis (F00) in September 2014 (here) as she was the only ship of that name, so required no disambiguation. Does WP:PRECISE apply on Commons? There doesn't seem to be any good reason to have the WP article and the Commons category referring to the same ship at different titles. Xyl 54 (talk) 22:23, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
- HMS Jervis sailed as "F00" only for a short time. Commissioned on 8 May 1939, her pennant was changed to "G00" in 1940 until her decommissioning in October 1947. Especially a certain user on en.wikipedia omits the pennant numbers on warships when there was (upt to today) only a single one with that name (USS Carl Vinson (CVN-70) to USS Carl Vinson). It is common on Commons to keep the pennant numbers. I know that this may lead to problems, as some ships had their pennant numbers changed (USS Forrestal: CVA-59 -> CV-59 -> AVT-59). It became therefore common on Commons to add "(ship, 19XX)" of so. Mostly the launching date is added, however, some users use the commissioning date (which, I think, would be reasonable). There is, however no common rule for that. Many ships on en.wikipedia also receive names that they never have of had. Americans tend to use the prefix given from the "Jane's Fighting Ships" publication, where any navy receives its English prefix, which is mostly non-existent. French Marine Nationale ships receive the prefix "FS" for "French Ship". Obviously none of these authors ever heard that people in France speak French and not (American) English. "BNS" -> Bangladesh Navy Ship (see BNS Bangabandhu). I think, we should use the prefix used by that country, IF any is used. "F214 Lübeck (ship, 1990)" is such a category that uses pennant number, name, type and commissioning date. Therefore we would need common rules. Cobatfor (talk) 06:57, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
- Fair enough, if that's the rule here. And I don't disagree, some common rules would be helpful: Though it's hard enough getting people to take notice of the rules we already have! Anyway, thanks for replying, Xyl 54 (talk) 21:48, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
- Pennant numbers are unreliable. This category should be named HMS Jervis (ship, 1938)). Pennant numbers can change over time, two times is not uncommon and can even be more on occasion. They can and are re-used for later ships. There is general consensus of this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ships
- Fair enough, if that's the rule here. And I don't disagree, some common rules would be helpful: Though it's hard enough getting people to take notice of the rules we already have! Anyway, thanks for replying, Xyl 54 (talk) 21:48, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
Launch dates in category titles, give for chronological listing. This should be HMS Jervis (ship, 1938).
Launch dates and if transfer to a different navy commission dates don’t change over time.
The narrative header of the folder should be seeded with name changes and pennant numbers, for obvious search reasons as should the very title with the word ‘’ship’’. -Broichmore (talk) 07:09, 26 April 2019 (UTC)