Category talk:Doors by city

Doors should be categorized by country first. Moreover a city needs a definition. Why not doors by municipality in this logic? Is this intended only for big cities? Is Gdynia a city?

Jacquesverlaeken (talk) 10:42, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

There are so many "categories by city" ( see Categories by city ) that your question seems a bit strange. Do you want to change everything everywhere? --Edelseider (talk) 11:02, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

As for Gdynia, it is a city with 247,672 inhabitants (https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gdynia), larger than Liège. Very strange that you would ask instead of checking on Wikipedia. --Edelseider (talk) 11:07, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Sorry for Gdynia, it was misplaced argument. However there is really room for discusion, i have just read the text for Category by city which is exactly on the same subject. The solution is at least to have the category by country by city. For me a cat that may open thousands of cases, without structure, is counterproductive. In this sense I believe that the existence of so many is not enough reason not to take a fresh, rational look, this is certainly not vandalism.

Jacquesverlaeken (talk) 11:44, 4 March 2016 (UTC) By the way there is a word for undefined cities, in common use elsewhere in Wikimedia: Populated places, which is clever! Bien à vous, vous parlez français je vois.

Indeed, I do, but we'd better discuss in English so others can understand us. :) Maybe I am thick but the category "by country by city" does already exist, so what is your suggestion, really? "By country by city" is a subcategory of both "by country" and "by city", it is like having two different doors opening on the same room but from two different sides - much more useful than to have only one entrance. Are you suggesting we should create subcategories of "doors by city" for all the countries that still don't have a "doors by city by country" category, eg. Category:Doors in Germany by country, Category:Doors in Poland by country, etc. ? This would be reasonable. Or would you rather rename all categories "by populated place" instead of "by city"? This would be fine too, because the subcategories already do include some very small towns, like Category:Doors in Soultzmatt, that cannot be called cities. But deleting the category would go too far! Amicalement, --Edelseider (talk) 12:10, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for continuing this discussion. See Architectural elements as a kind of model (not yet perfect, I meet also resistances to place countries within their continents). When there are enough files, a good way is to start by location, then by continent (for very large series!), then by country (there is nearly no discussion of what is the country - but see Crimea! just exceptional case), then by a further division (the Länder in Germany, the provinces in Belgium, the regions or departments - but too many! -in France...), then by city or better by Populated places. German users do very well is this logic. With this system by country by city is not necessary. I just want to use the logical mathematical hierarchy of parent categories. If you use often HotCat you will appreciate the easiness of such system. You may at least admit that the current system is not equilibrated: as you point out, Germany has no subcat, while France or Italy yes!

Another little point: the tag

This meta category should only contain other categories. Files should either be in the relevant subcategory or in the parent category.

is not appropriate, It is to be used when all possible subcats exist (for ex. the 16 Länder in Germany). There is no finite list of cities, certainly not in this cat.

Hoping to have made my point a little clearer, with regards.

Jacquesverlaeken (talk) 17:29, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

I use HotCat a lot too, and even more cat-a-lot, the greatest tool known to man. I or anbody else can create a subcat in a matter of seconds, so I dare say this point is not valid.--Edelseider (talk) 19:00, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

There you go, I've created some more subcategories... --Edelseider (talk) 19:09, 4 March 2016 (UTC)