Category talk:Coats of arms of English nobility

"English" should be capitalized... AnonMoos 12:59, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Please use Category:Coats of arms of families of England

This category is not logical. In England there is no true aristocracy or nobility as there is on the Continent, where for example all sons of an archduke are themselves archdukes. In England only the eldest son is a nobleman, his younger brothers are gentry. Virtually every gentry family over the centuries has had one member enobled. He may have died childless, so the title became extinct. In no English roll of arms or heraldic dictionary are coats of arms split into gentry and nobility. The unifying factor in heraldry is gentry, not nobility. Every member of the gentry has a coat of arms, otherwise he is not deemed gentry. Almost every noble family (if such a thing exists in England) started as a gentry family. Every one returns to a gentry family (e.g. Berkeley of Berkeley Castle). Thus English coats of arms should all be categorised under Category:Coats of arms of families of England, which will be the all-inclusive category for English heraldry.Lobsterthermidor (talk) 19:40, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

Noble and non-noble individuals will sometimes have the same basic shield, but only nobles will have supporters and coronets. In the case of baronets, only the baronet will have the red hand on the shield... AnonMoos (talk) 14:40, 8 October 2018 (UTC)