Category talk:Bridges in Australia by state or territory

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Category:Bridges in Australia by state

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This category is redundant to Category:Bridges in Australia by state or territory. There is no need and little utility in a separate category for Australian states alone Mattinbgn (talk) 00:18, 3 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I see your points, but the problem is that mixing state and territories (in the cat name especially) is somewhat unique to Australia and does not allow for side navigation to other countries with states in the Ozeanias. I know it is (partially!) redundant, but imho it would instead be incorrect to just rename state or territory to state. The core problem is within Template:Countries of Oceania that does not provide for this special case. --Cmuelle8 (talk) 00:26, 3 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
There are two ends to take on for a solution: either redirect state or territory to state (and have territories included there without explicit mention in the cat title), or supplement Module:Countries (add sth, like: if country=="Australia" and suffix=="state" then suffix="state or territory" end). --Cmuelle8 (talk) 00:40, 3 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I've put some code into Module:Countries and Module:Countries/Oceania to deal with the issue, it replaces a suffix "by state" by "by state or territory". Suffix "by state size" e.g. is not affected, but Module:Countries/Oceania allows for easy expansion. (In a former version this was coded to replace occurrence of the word "state" for arbitrary suffixes regarding Australia).
An issue remains. If Template:Countries of Oceania is used on x in Australia by state or territory pages, the suffix parameter must take value by state only, i.e. the template does not check atm if it was called from an Australia related page to do the inverse replacement from by state or territory to by state. However, authors will easily recognize this, since the navigation bar will miss all other states besides Australia in such case. --Cmuelle8 (talk) 02:29, 3 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure I understand what you're talking about here. Why would Template:Countries of Oceania: need to be used on a category such as Category:Transport in Australia by state or territory? I don't see why we'd need to navigate between that and subdivisions of other countries in Oceania (especially the US, with only one state there): it doesn't seem meaningful. Or am I really not understanding your point? --Auntof6 (talk) 03:06, 3 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
This may not seem meaningful currently, as current choices are limited, but this may very well change in the future.
This is useful to offer side navigation in subcategories to by <state (or subnational equivalent)> by country cats. Depending on where you enter the category tree, it may be an aid, or stay unnoticed at all. Since it does not block other ways to use the cat-tree it is one way to navigate among others. It may also help to stay oriented when editing or navigating metacat trees. For users, it eases comparative usage patterns, i.e. comparing building or transport entities across subnationally organized territories (if you correctly apply this to subcategories of entities this will aid answering questions like "What subnational areas have media related to suspension bridges?") - you can do this without offering this navigational aid, but its easier with.
In other parts of the world, it might be easier to see where this aims at (since subnational entities are more often consistently named "state" (or "region"), rather than "state", "territory", "unit", "division", etc.. in Oceania. The broader aim is to side navigate between subnational administrative levels, or in other words (one administrative step down from the country level). --Cmuelle8 (talk) 16:36, 3 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Following en:List of sovereign states and dependent territories in Oceania it might also make sense to differentiate between countries with dependences in Oceania and countries in Oceania for the navigational Template:Countries of Oceania. Either by simply starting a new line in its output or by migrating parts to a new Template:Countries with territories in Oceania (or Template:Countries with dependences in Oceania). This might resolve the current lineup you're uncomfortable with. After all, (quote: especially the US, with only one state there) this is an issue that exists regardless of the suffix parameter usage. --Cmuelle8 (talk) 17:05, 3 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Mentioning two types of places is not unique to Australia. Category:Categories by first-level administrative country subdivision shows similar naming for Canada and India. Sometimes I wish the United States categories were "by state or territory" because people keep mixing them anyway. --Auntof6 (talk) 04:49, 18 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Redirected by Cmuelle8 years ago. - Themightyquill (talk) 09:53, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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