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Khatumo state control is wrong

This map shows Khatumo as in control of a huge swath of territory between Somaliland and puntland. This is not reflected in the sources available. Las Anod is firmly in the control of Somaliland forces. Per this source [[1]] Buhoodle has fallen under the control of a local warlord who seized it from Khatumo forces.XavierGreen (talk) 18:55, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

Legend

what is the meaning of blue (around Beledweyne and Merca)? --79.194.228.109 11:52, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

update

This needs an update. — Preceding unsigned comment was added by 108.4.159.12 (talk) 01:03, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

update 2018

If there are active members, can someone update the map--Murza-Zade (talk) 08:08, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

The Puntland state itself is not marked...

If there is a separatly colored territory described as "Disputed territory between Somaliland and Puntland" then it is really peculiar that the Puntland state is not. 5.174.153.75 08:48, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

Some changes

Somali forces recaptured Haradhere (see the article about Somali civil war (2009- )). See here: Пан Хаунд (talk) 14:32, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Changes

The areas/towns of Rab Dhuure, Burgabo, and Qanadala have been recaptured from Al-Shabaab/ISIS, and the town/area of Fafahdun has been captured by Al-Shabaab. RowanJ LP2 (talk) 21:04, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

Most recent map by REACH and Unosat

https://twitter.com/EmreAltinbas89/status/1736864862611845259 Billboardbillal (talk) 07:51, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Updating northern region.

The borders between Somaliland and Puntland have remained unchanged since 2020.

I've revised the map due to numerous developments in the last four years within the disputed territory, notably Puntland holding voter registration in all of Eastern Sanaag in 2023 and the current frontlines between Somaliland and SSC-Khaatumo have moved away from Las Anod to Oog/Guumays.

I've additionally removed the Khatumo and disputed Puntland shading, as both entities are under the Somali government. Sifeeye (talk) 23:03, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

@Hawkers994 Why revert the changes I've made? I've linked my sources above, what are your sources that Somaliland control anything east of Oog or Erigavo? Sifeeye (talk) 17:26, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Undependable source, no were in the article does it state sanaag or places are under militia control. The last reliable source is correctly used which correlates to that particular file. Hawkers994 (talk) 20:26, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

If HiiraanOnline is undependable for you, then there are also articles and reports from reputable sources such as the International Crisis Group that have reported on recent frontline changes in Sool.

On the Horizon: October 2023-March 2024 | Crisis Group

The new frontlines between Dhulbahante clan militias and government forces stablised in September after the Dhulbahante captured several army positions near Las Anod, the capital of Sool region, effectively driving Somaliland forces out of Dhulbahante territory.

A spark from either side could set off new fighting on the frontline between Oog and Guumays towns in Sool.

I've also linked the results of Puntland's voter registration from the Transitional Puntland Electoral Commission's official Facebook page. The post includes a full breakdown of all polling stations' locations in Sanaag. You can see the villages and towns in Erigabo district that took part in the voter registration but are currently wrongly listed as controlled by Somaliland forces.

This map shows how the situation in the Somali Civil War keeps changing, it's absurd that you're clinging to a four year old version and refusing to consider any new sources. Sifeeye (talk) 22:23, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

The whole map is incorrect. There is no gabiley under Berbera location, which is why it’s an incorrect revert Hawkers994 (talk) 08:54, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

@Hawkers994: Can you explain this a little more. Gabiley seems to be in the same location and under the control of Somaliland in the other versions. We cannot keep using a 2020 version of this conflict, what changes would you be OK with to bring an accurate map of this conflict up to date with 2024? Would you agree to Freetrashbox's proposal below? Abzeronow (talk) 17:52, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

I think they're talking about how Gabiley is in the wrong location and how that invalidates the new map. It also invalidates the old map so I'm not sure why this line is being used. But they are correct about how there is no town called Gabiley (or at least no notable one) southeast of Berbera like the new and old map show. You can see by checking other maps but the town of Gabiley is in reality located a tad northwest of Hargeisa. Like it is here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Somali_Civil_War_detailed_map. Overall I think Freetrashbox's proposal would be agreeable, though Gabiley should be relocated so the conversation can be focused on the real issue at hand, that being source dependability.

Ope. I think I found the origin of the error. As you can see here https://maps.lib.utexas.edu/maps/tpc/txu-pclmaps-oclc-22834566_k-6d.jpg (Center left of 6-1) there is a spring called Karin Gabiile, or just Gabileh here https://maps.lib.utexas.edu/maps/onc/txu-pclmaps-oclc-8322829_k_6.jpg (Bottom center of 7-1) Both are topographic maps from Perry-Castañeda Library Map Collection https://maps.lib.utexas.edu/maps/topo/ AVeryBigHat (talk) 18:30, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Ah, OK. I would agree that the location of Gabiley should be fixed. Abzeronow (talk) 18:36, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Both are inappropriate. The map of Hawkers994 shows Las Anod, which is not controlled by Somaliland, as being under Somaliland control. However, that is clearly wrong, and there are a number of sources that indicate that Somaliland has withdrawn from Las Anod. On the other hand, Sifeeye's map lacks evidence. Cities such as Badhan, Buuhoodle, and Las Anod on this map are not under Somaliland control, but the towns in between are unknown, with a few exceptions. My suggestion is that the area that the two are disputing should be entered as a "Disputed Area" as indicated by the BBC, and only towns that are known to belong should be entered separately. Freetrashbox (talk) 12:50, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

This sounds like a reasonable compromise. Abzeronow (talk) 17:30, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

UNOSAT is the United Nations Satellite Centre, and is a reliable source and is recent (December 2023). This map by them suggests the map of Sifeeye is for the most part correct and up-to-date. Billboardbillal (talk) 21:49, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

There is no evidence that UNOSAT created the linked map. Freetrashbox (talk) 11:11, 30 January 2024 (UTC)