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Note to Uploaders[edit]

Please note: If you wish to upload a new version of the file, please ensure that your editing software does not compress the .gif file and does not create compression artifacts. --Silvercowcreamer (talk) 14:32, 5 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Criteria for inclusion of a service[edit]

I include all train categories (service category offered by an operator) that fulfil the following three criteria:

a) The train service category runs at 200km/h or faster on a substantial part of the network.

b) The train category offers a reasonable level of passenger accommodation (seat reservations, air conditioning, etc.)

c) There is no faster/higher-priced train category by the same operator (DB IC trains etc. are not shown)

d) Services can be included if they directly compete against a service that meets the above criteria, even if the service itself does not meet all of the criteria. The service should not be significantly slower than its competitor and should offer a reasonable amount of passenger accommodation.

e) Sleeper trains are not shown (I'm working on a dedicated overnight service map for Europe).

f) Only services which run at least five time per week (per direction) should be included.

g) Seasonal services should not be included.

--Silvercowcreamer (talk) 20:09, 7 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Updated --Silvercowcreamer (talk) 05:56, 18 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

July 2018 Update[edit]

April 2018 Update[edit]

December 2017 Update[edit]

Sure @Silvercowcreamer: , here are a few suggestions:
  • I would suggest that you show only the connections (lines) for which at least in part a speed of 200 km/h or more is reached. You are doing that for Poland, for example, but for the connections in the Czech Republic you are not doing that. That is inconsistent... See OpenRailwayMap for the max. speed of railway lines.
  • For Germany and its ICE trains in 2018, see File:ICEtracks.svg. All ICE lines are using at least in part 200 km/h or more so it is safe to use them all. For example, you can add back Rostock, it is served again.
--Metrancya (talk) 17:16, 8 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

FS-Trenitalia - not only Frecciarossa -- Le Frecce is the common name for Trenitalia's high-speed network[edit]

I think there's no reason for exclusion of Frecciabianca, and especially Frecciargento which is mostly on the same level as Frecciarossa, and they are after all commonly marketed, and that's clear all over the Trenitalia websites. They also have neat maps of all of their services one by one... http://www.trenitalia.com/tcom-en/Frecce

They're not the same as DB ICE compared to DB IC since they form a network on different routes, and not just being lower-level service at the same routes - that would be Trenitalia IC. Frecciargento is similar as Frecciarossa but primarily going from Rome to Venice, instead of Rome-Milan, and runs at the same speed and is sold at the same price on the part of the route they share on Rome-Bologna part, sometimes even being faster than Frecciarossa, because e.g. many Frecciargento don't complicate the journey with the detour to Firenze SMN station unlike Frecciarossa, the main difference being that they use Pendolino ETR 600 trains instead of Frecciarossa's ETR 500 and 1000. On the part they share, the Pendolino's max speed is enough to use max speed of Rome-Bologna tracks so there's no difference. Frecciabianca is less fast but still high-speed service where infrastructure allows, but it's not IC, it primarily serves routes Rome-Genoa and Milan-Venice so there's little overlapping with Frecciarossa and Frecciargento, but where they overlap they're usually equally priced and not (much) slower, whereas IC is always more cheap and more slow. So without showing it, you're completely leaving out many parts of the Italy's fully capable 200 km/h network.

Since they are marketed and known under common name "Le Frecce", my suggestion would be that that name appear as the main concept on the map, maybe used with another *footnote about three different names.

Kudos for your effort, but I think your criteria for exclusion should be revised because this way it seems that NTV Italo has a larger network than Trenitalia, and that service of other two Frecce is inferior, having tried a few high-speed services elsewhere and also all three of Frecce, and also Trenitalia IC, and also DB IC at the fastest part, I can just say IC is IC, and all of Frecce are serious high-speed high-quality service and there's absolutely no need to declare Frecciarossa the only one that matters. — Preceding unsigned comment was added by 93.136.46.115 (talk) 19:34, 12 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Makes a lot of sense to me. I'll change it to showing the entire "Le Frecce" network in the next revision. Thanks for the info! --Silvercowcreamer (talk) 12:47, 14 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. --Silvercowcreamer (talk) 05:57, 18 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sweden, Poland, joint operation of Railjet[edit]

I would also like to add information about services in Sweden and Poland, but I couldn't find anything reliable about what services are currently being offered that could reasonably be described as "high-speed" in terms of speed and passenger comfort. If anyone knows more, I'd be grateful for some pointers/tips.

--Silvercowcreamer (talk) 17:31, 6 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your work. Do you only want to add "high speed" services, any service operated by a "high speed" train, or any service provided by an railway company that does "high speed" somewhere on its network? In addition, Thello and HKX do not operate high speed trains, so if I understand correctly they should not be on your map. As well, "Railjet" is not an operator by a type of train, operated by both ÖBB (Austria) and ČD (Czech Republic), so they should be in two different colours. Slasher-fun (talk) 10:08, 7 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, thanks for your comments. It probably would be a good idea to explicitly spell out my criteria for addition to the map. I include all train categories (service category offered by an operator) that fullfil the following three criteria:
a) The train service category runs at 200km/h or faster anywhere on the network (applies to HKX)
HKX top speed is 160 km/h. Slasher-fun (talk) 19:26, 7 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Turns our you're right. I'll remove it next major revision. I feel a bit bad about it though, these open-access operators have it tough. --Silvercowcreamer (talk) 19:36, 7 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I just checked, and HKX takes 4:07 Hamburg-Cologne, while ICE takes 4:08. I therefore think it would be unfair to remove them, as they are not any slower than their competitor. I thought the line from Hamburg to Bremen was upgraded to 200km/h? Or is the time they lose by going 160km/h the same as they gain by bypassing Bremen? --Silvercowcreamer (talk) 19:44, 7 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I revised the criteria for inclusion (see above) to cover cases like HKX. Hope you're okay with that. --Silvercowcreamer (talk) 20:12, 7 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
b) The train category offers a reasonable level of passenger accomodation (seat reservations, air conditioning, etc.)
c) There is no higher-priced train category by the same operator (DB IC trains, Frecciabianca etc. are not shown)
I am unclear as to whether Thello day trains currently run at 200km/h anywhere, but my understanding is that this will be the case on the Milano-Genova section pretty soon, so I gave them a pass.
I always colour by train service category/brand name. Railjet is not the only brand that has multiple operators, so does Thalys (SNCF/SNCB). The deciding factor has been whether the train category is marketed as one brand.
Addition: The ICE services to Copenhagen and Arhus are also jointly operated by DB and Danish Railways, as are those to Amsterdam (DB/NS). I think one brand - one colour therefore makes sense. --Silvercowcreamer (talk) 13:31, 7 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Railjet is a type of train which is called "Railjet" by both ÖBB and ČD, there is no joint operation between the two companies as there can be with Thalys for example. Same goes for TGV or ICE for example: TGV Atlantique, Thalys PBA and AVE S-100 are pretty much the same train, ICE 3, AVE S-103 and Sapsan are roughly the same train as well. Slasher-fun (talk) 19:19, 7 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The German wikipedia says it is "jointly operated" by ÖBB, CD, DB, SBB and MAV ("Er stellt eine gemeinsame Zuggattung der ÖBB, der tschechischen Staatsbahn České dráhy, der Deutschen Bahn, der Schweizerischen Bundesbahnen und der ungarischen Staatsbahn Magyar Államvasutak dar" - https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railjet). This map also shows that all lines are marketed under a common brand: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Karte_Railjet-Strecken.png. The situation is not exactly analogous to Thalys, but pretty close. --Silvercowcreamer (talk) 19:53, 7 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
That looks like a complicated situation, but alright. Slasher-fun (talk) 12:46, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I hope this anwers your questions. Best --Silvercowcreamer (talk) 12:16, 7 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I added the X2000 network in Sweden, but I also heard there are private competitors. Does anyone have more info?
Norrtåg is the company you're looking for: network map. You can also add the X3000 services for SJ. Slasher-fun (talk) 19:19, 7 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks a lot for the info! They both meet the criteria for inclusion? --Silvercowcreamer (talk) 19:36, 7 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, X3000 are shown in SJ schedules as X2, and Norrtåg run at 200 km/h on the Botniabanan (tested and approved). In Sweden you also have Blå Tåget that runs up to 160 km/h. Slasher-fun (talk) 12:46, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! Could you give me a pointer as to which routes are still missing (city A to city B)? I'm not too strong on Swedish geography, unfortunately. If I'm not mistaken, the Norrtåg network lies mostly north of the edge of the map, I'll add it once I've found a good template for an extension. --Silvercowcreamer (talk) 15:02, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
If you take the current map, X3000 run between Stockholm and Sundsvall (and actually up north to Umeå). Norrtåg unfortunately runs north (to Kiruna) and west (to Storlien) of Sundsvall. Slasher-fun (talk) 16:39, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. --Silvercowcreamer (talk) 16:56, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Woops, after checking, X3000 are actually called SJ 3000 (and X2000 are X 2000, with a space). Slasher-fun (talk) 21:05, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, thanks for checking. Should Stockholm-Sundsvall be taken off the map, or should I just change the legend? --Silvercowcreamer (talk) 09:08, 9 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Just the legend :) Slasher-fun (talk) 11:09, 9 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed --Silvercowcreamer (talk) 11:17, 9 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Greece/OSE intercity[edit]

What about the intercity Athens-Thessaloniki, operated by OSE? I think it fits the criteria (see above), so it should probably go on the map. Or should I wait until the line has been completely upgraded?--Silvercowcreamer (talk) 20:05, 7 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

According to our colleagues at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:High_Speed_Railroad_Map_of_Europe_2015.svg, substantial parts of the line (60-70%) have been upgraded to 200km/h. Therefore, if there are no objections, I'll add Athens-Thessaloniki to the map. --Silvercowcreamer (talk) 10:11, 9 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed --Silvercowcreamer (talk) 11:18, 9 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Planned Service Changes[edit]

Here are some announced changes to the network on which to keep an eye:

Portugal[edit]

CP operates Alfa Pendular trains between Braga, Porto, Lisbon and Faro, they operate up to 220 km/h. Slasher-fun (talk) 13:03, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, they'll be added asap. Thanks for the info! --Silvercowcreamer (talk) 14:55, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. --Silvercowcreamer (talk) 16:37, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Norway[edit]

Oslo - Eidsvoll is operated at 210 km/h by NSB (that's the small section on the map north/northeast of Oslo). Slasher-fun (talk) 13:08, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a special service category for that route? --Silvercowcreamer (talk) 14:58, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
They are NSB Local... NSB Regio (long-distance network) don't run any faster ;) Slasher-fun (talk) 16:36, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
To be honest, I'm not sure what to do here. I don't think it warrants classification as "high speed", as it is such a short section of the line. Maybe the criteria should be changed to cover such cases? I changed the wording from "anywhere on the network" to "on a substantial part of the network". Hope you're okay with that.--Silvercowcreamer (talk) 16:42, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Finland[edit]

VR operates Sm3 Pendolino trains at up to 220 km/h on the following routes. Slasher-fun (talk) 13:12, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! They'll be added asap. Looks like we'll need a Scandinavia extension of the map. Anyone know a good template? I'd prefer to not redo the whole thing, rather just extend is, but I'd like to keep it neat. --Silvercowcreamer (talk) 14:58, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I added the part of the line network that lies within the boundaries of the map, for now. --Silvercowcreamer (talk) 16:37, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The Helsinki to St. Petersburg train "Allegro" is currently mispelled as "Allego". Also, Allegro service doesn't reach Moscow. From St. Petersburg to Moscow the services are operated by RŽD ([1]). 91.155.195.11 14:25, 1 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. Thank you! --Silvercowcreamer (talk) 15:09, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Puttgarden-Roedby train ferry[edit]

Should there be an icon for the Puttgarden-Roedby train ferry on the Hamburg-Copenhagen line, as it requires passgengers to temporarely leave the train? Or is that a level of service information that does not belong here? --Silvercowcreamer (talk) 16:36, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I think that's a bit too much detailed for this kind of map. Slasher-fun (talk) 16:42, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. --Silvercowcreamer (talk) 16:43, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

AVE services to France[edit]

Services between Barcelona-Lyon, Barcelona-Toulouse and Madrid-Marseille are operated by AVE S-101 (in joint operations between RENFE and SNCF). All Barcelona-Paris trains are operated by TGV.

Thank you for the info! I'll change it next revision. Best, --Silvercowcreamer (talk) 16:58, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed --Silvercowcreamer (talk) 11:18, 9 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

United Kingdom[edit]

Can anyone give a good overview what services in the UK currently meet the criteria? East Coast Main Line? West Coast Main Line? If so, which operators offer services there? --Silvercowcreamer (talk) 10:22, 9 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

West Coast Main Line and East Coast Main Line are definitively relevant. See also en:InterCity 225--Kopiersperre (talk) 12:32, 16 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! I'm probably going to take a bit of a break from editing, so if someone else wants to step up: Knock yourself out :-) --Silvercowcreamer (talk) 18:07, 16 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Silvercowcreamer: No chance: I'm a SVG guy.--Kopiersperre (talk) 19:16, 16 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
A comment- Virgin Train and Virgin Trains East Coast, whilst they share some marketing, are distinct companies. Virgin Trains (operating on the West Coast Main Line) are 51% owned by Virgin Group, 49% owned by Stagecoach. Virgin Trains East Coast meanwhile, on the East Coast Main Line are 10% Virgin, 90% Stagecoach. Also, on the ECML are two further operators that meet the 200km/h /more than 5 services per week criteria - Hull Trains and Grand Central, running as Open Access operators. — Preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.138.54.131 (talk) 15:10, 20 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

'current' tag[edit]

If it's not the intent to keep this updates as things change, feel free to remove that template... it just looked like that was intended. Revent (talk) 20:05, 9 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That's absolutely the intent :-) Thank you for tagging! --Silvercowcreamer (talk) 20:46, 9 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Typos[edit]

  • Valeciennes --> Valenciennes
Thank you, will be fixed asap.--Silvercowcreamer (talk) 13:07, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed --Silvercowcreamer (talk) 13:37, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Marne la Valée --> Marne la Vallée
Thank you, will be fixed asap.--Silvercowcreamer (talk) 13:07, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed --Silvercowcreamer (talk) 13:37, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Saint Malo --> Saint-Malo
Thank you, will be fixed asap.--Silvercowcreamer (talk) 13:07, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed --Silvercowcreamer (talk) 13:37, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Saint Etienne --> Saint-Étienne
Thank you, will be fixed asap.--Silvercowcreamer ([[User talk:Silvercowcreamer|talk
Fixed --Silvercowcreamer (talk) 13:37, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Lienz --> Linz (they both exist, but Railjet goes to Linz)-
According to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Karte_Railjet-Strecken.png , Railjet goes to both. The terminus of the south-western branch is Lienz. Linz lies on the Vienna-Salzburg line. --Silvercowcreamer (talk) 13:07, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Added city Linz to avoid confusions. --Silvercowcreamer (talk) 13:37, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Woops, my mistake.

Slasher-fun (talk) 10:30, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Railjet[edit]

Poland[edit]

It is my understanding that there are some trains in Poland operating at 200 km/h or higher, but that no rail line between two major cities has been completely upgraded yet. I suggest that high speed trains in Poland should be added as soon as a substantial part of a line between two major cities has been upgraded to 200 km/h or higher. --Silvercowcreamer (talk) 13:44, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Infrequent services[edit]

According to criteria f), the following services should not appear on the map:

  • Thalys Amsterdam - Marseille service runs once a week
Okay. I would say seasonal services should not be on the map anyway. I'll change it. --Silvercowcreamer (talk) 15:41, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed and updated criteria.--Silvercowcreamer (talk) 15:59, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Eurostar London - Marseille service runs less than 4 times a week (except in July and August)

Slasher-fun (talk) 15:22, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for pointing it out. I didn't read the small print :-) For anyone in doubt, here is the primary source: http://www.eurostar4agents.com/files/southoffrance2015.pdf --Silvercowcreamer (talk) 15:41, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. --Silvercowcreamer (talk) 15:59, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Since you updated the criteria to "five times a week":

  • TGV between Marne la Vallée (Paris basically on your map) and Brive only run 4 times a week
Does Brive see TGV service 5 times a week, or is the line to Marne la Vallée the only line? --Silvercowcreamer (talk) 16:28, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
That's the only line to Orléans and Brive (Lille - Brive via Marne la Vallée). Slasher-fun (talk) 09:52, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. --Silvercowcreamer (talk) 18:56, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • TGV Lyria between Genève and Lausanne only run 4 times a week
Will be fixed. --Silvercowcreamer (talk) 16:28, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed --Silvercowcreamer (talk) 12:16, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • TGV branch to Arcachon only run 3 days a week (runs daily only in July-August)
Will be fixed --Silvercowcreamer (talk) 16:28, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Slasher-fun (talk) 16:10, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed --Silvercowcreamer (talk) 12:16, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

TGV Lyria[edit]

Shouldn't TGV Lyria have its own colour? It's a joint company between SNCF and CFF, operated by TGV owned by Lyria, with Lyria crew, pretty much like Thalys. If so, Lyria operates the following routes:

  • Paris - Geneva (SNCF TGVs don't go to Geneva)
  • Paris - Lausanne (SNCF TGVs don't go to Lausanne)
  • Paris - Zurich (SNCF TGVs stop in Mulhouse)
  • Paris - Interlaken (SNCF TGVs stop in Mulhouse)
  • Geneva - Nice (SNCF TGVs don't go to Geneva)

Geneva - Lille and Paris - Geneva - Lausanne should not be included are they run less than 5 times a week. Slasher-fun (talk) 16:16, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I would say no, since they are still part of the overall TGV brand. It would means also colouring TGV POS differently (joint operation with DB), and the map would become very cluttered. Also, as far as I know, TGV Lyria isn't registered as an independent train operator (security certification, etc.), while Thalys is. I'm trying to go by the service category which is listed on timetables, etc, and there the trains are listed as "TGV", not "TGV Lyria" (at least on the DB trip planning website). --Silvercowcreamer (talk) 16:32, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, let's keep them as TGV services. Slasher-fun (talk) 10:04, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
But shouldn't we "unmap" Ouigo as a separate service then? Slasher-fun (talk) 22:11, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe, yeah. I don't know a lot of the details with Quigo. Are these trains listed as TGVs on timetables? --Silvercowcreamer (talk) 09:04, 15 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Ouigo is a separate brand, so they are not listed on TGV timetables, but they are still operated by SNCF (pretty much like iDTGV, except they have a different business model). Slasher-fun (talk) 14:06, 15 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The whole SNCF branding structure is pretty much Greek to me :-) You decide. --Silvercowcreamer (talk) 14:28, 15 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Well I can't think of any other example in Europe, but since TGV, Ouigo and iDTGV are all high-speed trains brands owned by SNCF, and since Ouigo and iDTGV only run where TGV runs too, I don't think they're worth to be rendered separately (the map of France is already complex enough ;) Slasher-fun (talk) 07:20, 16 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. --Silvercowcreamer (talk) 11:10, 16 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

SNCF TGV[edit]

Missing services

  • A daily Paris - Nice TGV goes up to Ventimiglia in Italy.
Thank you, will be fixed.--Silvercowcreamer (talk) 16:33, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed --Silvercowcreamer (talk) 12:17, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • 4 TGV each day go to Tarbes (southwest of France)
Thank you, will be fixed.--Silvercowcreamer (talk) 16:33, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. --Silvercowcreamer (talk) 12:17, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • 6 TGV each day go to Luxembourg
Thank you, will be fixed.--Silvercowcreamer (talk) 16:33, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed --Silvercowcreamer (talk) 12:17, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Tricky to include on the map in east of France: 2 daily Paris - Remirement, a daily Paris - St Dié des Vosges, a daily Paris - Nancy - Lunéville - Strasbourg, 2 daily Paris - Bar-le-Duc, a daily Montpellier - Dijon - Nancy - Metz.
Thank you, I'll try my best :-) --Silvercowcreamer (talk) 16:33, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Slasher-fun (talk) 16:20, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed --Silvercowcreamer (talk) 12:17, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed --Silvercowcreamer (talk) 18:55, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

MTR Express[edit]

Looks like it: https://mtrexpress.se/en --Silvercowcreamer (talk) 09:38, 15 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. --Silvercowcreamer (talk) 10:31, 15 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

HKX[edit]

The Hamburg-Cologne-Express is bypassing Bremen (right red line), but this gets a little bit exaggerated on the map.--Kopiersperre (talk) 12:16, 16 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It's a bit of a trade-off between geographical accuracy and readability, the best I could do, frankly. Feel free to improve upon my solution and upload another. --Silvercowcreamer (talk) 17:59, 16 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sweden: X2000 Gothenburg-Malmö and Arlanda Express Stockholm-Arlanda[edit]

The two lines both ran in summer 2015. Source (X2000): https://www.sj.se/sj/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=656&a=2668&l=sv Is AEX disqualified due to not offering seat reservations? The X3 trains have a top speed of 200 km/h. 194.218.19.102 13:10, 2 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Also missing (SJ Snabbtåg, i.e. X2000 or SJ3000):
  • Stockholm-Falun-Mora
  • Stockholm-Östersund
  • Stockholm-Uddevalla (runs 6 departure each way except during summer and a few weeks around christmas, just as for Jönköping)
Additionally NSB trains Oslo-Gothenburg have a top speed of 210 km/h that they reach at least on parts of the line.
37.247.12.251 20:42, 2 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Netherlands and Sweden[edit]

Hi,

I think that under criterion d), Intercity direct should be included. It is run by NS (the major Dutch train operator) between Amsterdam-Rotterdam-Breda and competes with Thalys and Eurostar on the Amsterdam-Rotterdam route. It doesn't have a bar, seat reservations, or power outlets, but this is hardly necessary given the 1h9m travel time between Amsterdam and Breda.

Note that although the English Wikipedia page refers to the service as Intercity Direct, NS markets the service as Intercity direct (with a lowercase d).

I also think the Swedish open-access operator en:Snälltåget should be included, they operate a Stockholm-Malmö route at 200 km/h.

Jamy015 (talk) 21:45, 11 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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