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This map shows the countries that are traditonally considered as the core of the Hispanidad (because they have Spanish as official language and it is the main language of the country, or because they have been historically important in the creation of the Hispanophone). Note that this is not the same as the Hispanophone map, which shows all the parts of the World where Spanish or its créole languages are spoken.

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  Countries traditionally considered the core of the Hispanidad

Onofre Bouvila 16:56, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

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I think Texas should also be considered apart of it. It has very strong ties with Mexico, and a large Hispanic population. (76.93.110.69 03:00, 20 March 2008 (UTC))

Wrong map!

This map is wrong! Spanish is not spoken in any significant numbers in the Phillipines or Western Sahara!

Verifiable data for the Philippines give a number of less than 3000 speakers! Even the Cervantes Institute source is not a primary source (is is not even a secondary source!!), as it just quotes an Italian almanac (Calendario Atlante de Agostini 1997, Novara, Instituto Geográfico de Agostino, 1996, p. 315, that gives, without sources, 3% of the population speaking Spanish). To this the Cervantes Institute adds 689.000 speakers of en:Chavacano (not Spanish proper, but a Spanish creole, spoken mostly in Zamboanga City and in the provinces of Zamboanga del Sur, Zamboanga Sibugay, Zamboanga del Norte, and Basilan. It is also spoken in some areas of Cavite, Davao, and Cotabato), according to data from A. Quilis (La lengua española en cuatro mundos, Madrid, Mapfre, 1992, p. 82), without specifying if in the first estimate these Chavacano speakers were already counted or not (thus raising the total figure to 2.450.000). The Cervantes site does state that these estimate contradict the Philippine Offcial Census. One should also notice that English is an official language in the Philippines (as it is in India), unlike Spanish (see The Official Website of the Republic of the Philippines). Therefore, I believe that the Philippines should NOT be included in the Hispanosphere in any way, since there are no relevant numbers of Spanish spkeakers there, given that the Cervantes Institute is not, in this specific matter, a reliable source.

In Western Sahara (RASD and Tinduf) there aren´t official sources because saharauis don´t have an official country! And, in fact, all that is said about the situation in that territory does make one believe that Spanish is not spoken at all in any significante level (see en:Western Sahara and en:Sahrawi - note that for these the English language article states that their languages are "Hassaniya, Modern Standard Arabic; a northern minority also speak Tachelhit (a Berber dialect)", not Spanish), even if some sources just state that Spanish is spoken (never giving numbers; and the numbers of the overall population are not relevant because they say nothing about the numbers of Spanis speakers), that seems more a political position than a description of actual reality.

The Ogre (talk) 14:06, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Agree

I agree with previous comments, Philippines was and it is part of the core of hispanicity, but spanish language is residual there, for many years the percentage of speakers keet steady, but the population continued growing, but since the 70's the total number of speakers declined rapidly. The coordinador of Academia de la lengua kept the number of 2500000 of speakers considering 1st language, 2nd language and 3rd language, and also including the chavacano speakers, but he admited that figures were obsolete and the number must has decreased maybe to 1 million in the last 30 years. The problem is that we still the 1954 encyclopedia to estimate 3% of the Philippine population can speak spanish, but the last great generation of hispanophonos are already died: Claro M. Recto, Diosdado Macapagal, Enrique Fernandez Lumba, Elpidio Quirino, Jesús Balmorí and so and so... And the last spanish speakers are most of them over 60 years old.

Malvinas

I would like to add that the falkland islands are in dispute so they are also speaking spanish.

Belize must be added

Leaving out Belize of this map, a country where almost 50 % are native hispanophones, the grand majority of the other half being able to communicate in Spanish, and - above all - not speaking English, but an English-based creole with Spanish influences as a mother tongue, seems unjustified.217.81.133.8 12:36, 19 February 2013 (UTC)