Commons:Featured picture candidates/removal/Image:Hypselodoris bullocki.JPG

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Image:Hypselodoris bullocki.JPG, not delisted[edit]

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  •  Info Noisy, blurry image. The only bit in focus is part of the foreground. Obvious error of judgement. (Original nomination)
  •  Delist --Lycaon 23:37, 22 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Delist Agree --Richard Bartz 11:51, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Comment opposers should try to take this kind of photo. The glass at public aquariums has the material with the worst optics you will ever encounter. Glass isn't that smooth and cover with slimy thing inside, auto-focus would be off, severe chromatic aberration from glass and salt water. --Lerdsuwa 05:41, 25 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • This is a fake argument. It is the result that counts, not the circumstances. If I take a picture of the moon with my 4 Mpx first generation digital camera, then I can't claim FP quality neither. Please be serious. Lycaon 20:14, 25 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  •  KeepIt is a good underwater (not an aquarium) image of a small and very difficult subject, which IMO is in a perfect focus. It could be the only nudibranch image photographed in their natural habitat, which FP has.--Mbz1 15:51, 25 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • It is not a good picture, it is not in focus and it is not a difficult object to take a picture of (it virtually doesn't move). Lycaon 20:14, 25 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • Hi, Lycaon. May I please respond your remarks? IMO any subject, which was photographed under water is a difficult subject by the definition. An underwater subject does not have to be moving to make it difficult simply because the photographer and the water around him moves. Most of the time it is really hard to stay in one place wile under water and taking a picture. Nudibranchs are not so easy to find. Most of the time they are very, very small, which makes photography of them underwater macro. I've taken pictures of dozens of different nudibranchs myself and they never were an easy subject for me. Thank you.--Mbz1 21:03, 25 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Keep per Mbz1 --Lerdsuwa 18:50, 25 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Keep As the original nominator, I'm not even sure if my vote counts, but for what it's worth I'd vote to keep it. Mbz1 has already described the difficulty of shooting under water, so I won't repeat what Mbz1 says. As for underwater photos in general, I can add that for every decent photo, I would throw out ten. Of those decent photos, you get an occasional great photo. This is one of them. I agree that there are some minor flaws, but the composition in this case is what makes this a good picture, although nudibranches are not fast moving, they are small macro subjects as mentioned by Mbz1 and they are not often found in such a fantastic pose. What it comes down to is the wow factor, and for me it's an image that peaks interest in the subject. I know for a fact that this image has prompted at least one kid to find out more about these mysterious creatures, and that is what makes it special. As it says in the Featured Picture guidelines; "A bad picture of a very difficult subject is a better picture than a good picture of an ordinary subject. A good picture of a difficult subject is an extraordinary photograph." Despite some minor flaws, this is a good picture of a difficult subject. On a separate matter, I am curious as to what the rules are on delist nomination. This image was featured in January. It hasn't even been a year yet and it's already up for delisting. Technical advancement has hardly improved that much, so the nomination isn't based on the image being outdated, but an opinion that it was promoted in error. I don't think nominating a delist based on "error of judgement" is a good basis to delist. Cheers! --Jnpet 15:22, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Comment I often took razorsharp pictures in a public aquarium, where sometimes the light situation was good enough. It's not possible to make pictures at any cost, so i agree with Lycaon on the circumstances. The result is what counts and here it's really not the best --Richard Bartz 16:56, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • There seems to be a perception that this image was taken at an aquarium. Allow me to correct this perception, this is taken under water at 25 meters depth wearing scuba gear and fighting water currents. At the same time, you need to be aware of the environment so you don't damage corals or accidentally put your knee on the spines of a scorpion fish. Keeping the camera still is not easy and then you have to consider that water filters out red and you frequently get images saturated blue. On top of this, noise from floating particles reflected by the flash ruins a number of shots. I think you need only look at all the featured pictures. I count only a total of six images that are under water pictures. Six out of hundreds of FP images in the animal category. I think that says it all. Cheers! --Jnpet 17:11, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Keep; Commons:Image_guidelines allow us to make allowances for the importance of the subject and the difficulty of the shot. I echo the comment of two of the initial reviewers, "keep because it is so weird" (Commons:Featured picture candidates/Image:Hypselodoris bullocki.JPG). Note that the white band is intrinsically fuzzy; see Image:Hypselodoris bullocki 3.jpg for an image with sand grains and the white band. The former are much sharper than the latter. That said, I agree with those that argue that the image has technical flaws (subject motion and depth of field, I think); those do not outweigh its value, in my judgement. Walter Siegmund

(talk) 16:57, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The color of the tentacles is different, so could be different species/subspecies. Also the sample web photo you gave is small. Try finding one with 2MP or more and see if the pattern is sharp or not. --Lerdsuwa 15:53, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
result: 3 Delist, 5 Keep, 0 neutral => not delisted. --Simonizer 15:23, 4 January 2008 (UTC) (Other votes too late)[reply]
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