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File:Cannon-diagram2.svg, featured[edit]

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Cannon diagram

* Oppose Incompréhensible et sans intérêt pour qui ne comprend pas l'anglais. Peut-être valable pour une candidature sur la wikipedia anglophone ? --Jebulon (talk) 20:56, 20 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Not only one. Sorry, I'm not sure I apreciate your questioning. My English is not that good, and I feel you are on the way of patronizing with me. Are you a teacher and am I your pupil ? I hope no, and I hope being wrong...--Jebulon (talk) 09:07, 22 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Si j'avais voulu vous contrarier, il aurait été très clair. Ce qui n'était pas clair, c'est pourquoi vous avez opposé. Je suis d'accord que de nombreuses langues est mieux, mais je ne pense pas que cela devrait être une exigence. Saffron Blaze (talk) 13:43, 22 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Support --Je ne suis pas d'accord avec toi Jebulon : le svg permet de réaliser très facilement des versions traduites dans n'importe quelle langue et c'est là l'un des intérêts de ce format... du moment qu'on connaît les termes, évidemment, mais c'est vrai pour n'importe quel diagramme. Technically nicely made but I'm not able to judge the accuracy of the terms. Valuable for easy translation. Note: opens fine in Inkscape but had display bugs in Firefox. Sting (talk) 00:36, 21 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    •  Comment --Une version numérotée (c'est peut-être à ça que tu faisais référence) aurait été plus pratique pour la traduction mais àmha pas pour la compréhension lors d'une visualisation de l'image dans laquelle n'apparaîtront pas les noms au vu de la quantité de termes. Sting (talk) 00:42, 21 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
      •  Comment Si vous préférez, je pourrais faire la totalité de l'image en français ... Mais alors, aucun des anglophones voudrais soutenir sa candidature! Qu'est-ce qu'un homme? Fichiers SVG sont structurés de telle sorte que n'importe quelle image peut être ré-étiqueté dans n'importe quelle langue. J'ai déjà attaché un modèle pour les informations de fichier qui pointe vers un outil conçu pour le faire pour vous (je ne l'ai jamais utilisé, mais je suppose que cela va fonctionner). Ma question est, est l'image agréable pour vous? Si je pouvais vous rassurer que tous mes termes sont précis et mon placement de toutes les pièces est très précise, seriez-vous alors sa candidature? KDS444 (talk) 11:06, 21 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Support --Alexander Vasenin (talk) 04:13, 21 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Support Pleclown (talk) 11:45, 22 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Question Ist das ein bestimmter Kanonentyp? Oder einfach eine "prototypische Kanone"? Wenn ja, aus welcher Epoche usw? Bitte deutlich mehr Infos. Danke. --Martin Falbisoner (talk) 15:47, 22 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Support I do not know much about cannons and their terminology (especially not in English), so I will just assume the parts have been given their right terms. With that said I think it is a very clear and useful illustration, and I highly appreciate that the svg has been constructed in a manner where the translation to other languages is very simple by using the tool which is linked to from the image page. I do not think it is the responsibility of the creator to find all those specialist terms in other languages, than those he is familiar with. The terms could easily get wrong. Derived versions can be added as cannon experts native in other languages add them in. --Slaunger (talk) 20:37, 22 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • I like the design very much nevertheless. My suggestion: numbers or letters instead of words, and a related caption in the file page. No need of a lot of versions, just one version, and everybody can add the caption in his best language (and help in translations). But we need to know more about this cannon. Per Martin Falbinsoner: what kind of cannon is it ? Seems prussian (not french for sure) ? Beginning of the 19th century ? Is it a design of an imagination work ? A prototype, a stereotype ? If it is a real cannon, could we have more informations (standards, size, etc... ), and therefore better categorized. So, mybe the design alone is featurable (it is, IMO), but not the file. Some more work is necessary. --Jebulon (talk) 21:07, 22 May 2014 (UTC)--Jebulon (talk) 21:07, 22 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
This is one of the very reasons that I chose not to use a key here-- there are too many words for a key to be practical. I used to do illustrations with keys in order to make them more convenient for a multilingual audience, and that was fine when there were only five or six things to point out, but this illustration has 30 terms on it. It is in SVG format, which at least implies it can be easily modified for different language contexts (I recently tried to do this with the Commons language tool to make a French version... Trickier than I would have thought, though not impossible, and I have now uploaded that version as well).
Now, with regard to the type of cannon. I have been trying to retrace my steps back to when I first drew it two years ago, with only limited success so far. My intent was to create a generalized European cannon of the 19th century, but I believe that the image I ended up generating is rather close to the 18-pound brass British cannon included on page 35 of this document, as well as to the cannon shown on this web page on the bronze guns of Leutze Park (though neither of these was in my browser history and I must have been looking at something else for reference). Clearly I should not have waited two years to nominate the image, as even I can't seem to remember where or how I began. If anyone disagrees with these comparisons then please say so! I claim no expertise in cannon design or history, and was aiming for a conceptual piece rather than a specific cultural-historic one. Are there ways one can tell it is NOT, say, a Spanish cannon or an Austrian one? Also, this was in my browser history-- does this tell you anything? KDS444 (talk) 22:37, 22 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Confirmed results:
Result: 7 support, 0 oppose, 0 neutral → featured. /A.Savin 13:12, 29 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
This image will be added to the FP gallery: Non-photographic media/Computer-generated
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